Ok, some of this is straight up Captain Obvious quotes but anyway...
Anyone who thinks it is "interesting to see" racism "coming out of the woodwork" from the right needs to rethink the bubble they live in. Perhaps also consider the totality instead of just how things affect themselves for a change? One-issue vote against "meritocracy" has condemned millions of people in the same racial demo- brown people of origins outside the nativist anglo dome- to a world of hurt and probably are endangering themselves to boot.
Pardon me, did she not see how they all treated Vance’s INDIAN WIFE. He had to basically beg them all to stop in an interview. And yet this lady is somehow special and they are all going to respect her? GTFOH
And Harris is an Indian American. She offhand refers to her as a DEI hire, even though she was a top prosecutor, the former AG of California (the most powerful state in the union) and the VP.
One can't be be smart, a good person and a fascist at the same time.
If you are a good person and a fascist you are not smart.
if you are smart and a fascist you are not a good person,
If you are smart and a good person you are not a fascist.
I'm pretty sure this lady is neither smart nor a good person if she truly thinks that the racist, fascist, legacy billionaire (?) was the meritocratic, competent choice.
How much of it is a meritocracy when many South Asians are here on H1B visas, get paid less than their white counterparts, and can have their visa yanked and be sent back to Asia? They don’t get that they got the job because they are paid less and don’t need to be promised pay raises or long term benefits.
I’ve worked for more than 30 years with hundreds of engineers, many of them PhDs . Some of the smartest motherfuckers I know are also some of the dumbest motherfuckers I know.
Ikr? Competence and even brilliance in one area is no guarantee of overall good sense. I once worked in a company where there was a programmer so talented that the boss paid him more than he paid himself. But this guy couldn’t figure out the copier.
I worked as a graphic designer at a business school. One of the worst professors to deal with was the head of the marketing department. She had a PhD but never actually worked in marketing. She only did research. So she had no idea how to work with a designer, knew nothing about print production, and had terrible branding. And yet she was an "expert."
I’ve worked with so many surgeons who couldn’t work out a simple fax machine/printer. One ran a letter through my machine when it was still wet with white-out. Empty-headed mfer.
Some people have "book smarts" and that's it. Knowing how to ace a test and be a productive worker for your employer. Not necessarily being smart or intelligent. Not wise, for sure. Kind of fitting that she keeps mentioning meritocracy.
They have the uncanny ability to watch a person in a specific situation have a predictable outcome, and then see that they themselves will be in the same situation but somehow decide the outcome will be different (better) for them, just because they want it to be.
“Everyone else who touched the stove got burned, but if I touch the stove I’m sure I’ll be fine…”
I always have this in the back of my mind. I’m a half brown, first gen Latina with a very Latino last name. I have an Ivy degree, and many, many people smirk when they hear of it. I tell them straight away, I checked ALL the boxes. Female, Brown, good grades. I’ve known I was the diversity hire, when I was the ONLY POC on staff. Then they ask me what I am, and I say half Colombian, they ask if my father is a drug dealer. I answer affirmative, and that usually shuts them up. No brownie points for THAT.
I worked with a black boss one time. (Honestly there aren’t that many black executives). The guy was brilliant, he absolutely was 10x better than anyone else. Basically you have to be that much better as a person of color leader in America. The whole DEI hire notion is just so absurd.
Which is dumb, especially considering her name. I remember hearing her name for the first time and wondering why a black woman had an obviously Indian name. Found out about her heritage - to her credit, she did try to get Indian Americans to support her, but wouldn't be surprised if the numbers showed low support.
Exactly! And they are even whiter than other castes, right? They see themselves as Oh So White and privileged that they forget they're still not white enough for the WASPs.
Sure. It's a situation that would be somewhat funny in a rom-com if it wasn't my real life.
My husband's parents were deeply upset that he was dating a Black lady as opposed to a nice Indian American girl from somewhere on the east coast of the US.
They was so upset that they confronted him when he started dating me.
Their feelings continued when they refuse to meet me for nearly 2 years into our relationship.
After many years of fights and tears, my husband decided to propose to me. My in-laws confronted him again with help of a family friend.
When we decide to move in together while planning the wedding, my husband had to essentially run away from home. He was partially disowned.
The wedding sabotage begins.
They deliberately delayed getting an auspicious date for the wedding, which made booking a venue very difficult.
My mother-in-law stole my wedding sari and only gave it back a month before the wedding.
They threatened to wear white to the wedding, a color of mourning.
They insisted on another reception where an uncle followed me around trying to touch me an entire evening without any help from my in-laws. My husband was very helpful but the uncle leveraged being from the community and used other attendees to keep trying to touch me, ultimately it was a miserable time.
After being married, various attempts to treat me like a servant and attempts at disrespect.
When we had kids, disparagement of Black people and wanting to straighten my kids hair.
Whee. If my spouse wasn't amazing, I would not be as calm about this.
Wow, dear fellow Redditor. I can't believe that in this day and age there are people so unreasonably and consistently bigoted. I'm sorry you had to go through so much.
And yes, that makes your husband all the more of a great husband. I wish your family so many years of happiness! Many blessings from my belief; I am sure they will apply regardless of the recipient's faith.
Thank you so much for sharing your story! I can feel it was painful. But I'm also confident that this hard path will be eventually made up to you. Many hugs!
95% of the people using the term "DEI hire" have no fucking clue what it even is or how it works. The same as people who used the term "Affirmative Action hire". DEI and AA don't give you a high GPA or put you in elected office that requires a popular election.
The irony is that the main beneficiary of both AA and DEI is white women since white women are the largest minority in the US/Western world. The destruction of those programs will negatively improve white women the most.
To some maga Indian voters Harris is considered black because she isn’t full blooded Indian. To some maga african American voters she isn’t black because she is half Indian. It’s why trumps is she or isn’t she was attempted (but largely failed because it has no broad appeal).
She was actually a DEI hire though. Biden promised to hire a black female VP. If Kamala Harris was white, Biden would've picked someone else.
And the main reason she was picked to run for office after Biden dropped out was so they could continue using the campaign money Biden raised.
And if Joe Biden were black, Obama wouldn't have picked him to appeal to white moderates. It turns out that most politicians get elected based on the demographics they appeal to.
And also only Democrats do this sort of thing. Republicans just select the best candidates. Trump didn't select Vance because of his race, and in 2028, when Vance or Ramaswamy wins the primary, it will be because of their policies and intellect and not because of their race.
Uh... bruh, do you not remember Sarah Palin? Hell, even Pence was chosen to appeal to evangelical Christians who were initially put off by Trump. Neither of them were the "best candidate." They were chosen to shore up a demographic that the lead candidate wasn't reaching - literally diversity hires. Even back in the old days when everybody was a 50-something-year-old white dude, vice presidential candidates were usually chosen to appeal to a different demographic or a different part of the country than the presidential candidate. For instance, Nixon chose Agnew (despite his mediocre experience of being a county executive and governor for two years) because it was thought that he would appeal to southerners.
Trump has fully solidified Republican support so he doesn't have to bother with any of that. Instead, Peter Thiel chose someone he thought had enough star power to be a potential Trump successor. If Vance hadn't written a book/movie, he never would have been on the ticket.
I'm not sure how you do political analysis but I can tell you the result is... poor. They went with Kamala because they ignored the red flags about Biden's health due to the incumbent advantage. When that disappeared last minute there was no time do a proper primary so you had to go with "Most Name Recognition Dem" which was the VP.
Not sure why you feel compelled to repeat the same nonsense over and over again despite being proven wrong before even saying it the first time, but you do you my little mouthbreathing boo.
It's not racist and misogynistic to say that Biden only hired her because she was black when Biden explicitly said that he would only consider black women when deciding who to hire, and therefore he wouldn't have hired her if she was white.
Democrats are the real racists for trying to pander to minorities by putting them in positions of power, as if they're homogenous groups who all want the same stuff.
As a white person, I would prefer Vivek Ramaswamy for President rather than Bernie Sanders because I prefer Ramaswamy's policies. And yet Democrats think other races don't vote based on policies but rather the race of the candidates.
Like I said, you really don't get why what you said was racist.
Also, yeah, the Democrats pander to minorities but so did Trump. He pondered out one side of his mouth to minorities and out the other to his racist base. Then again, the Democrats, as shitty as they are, have to appeal to a broad range of demographic groups with distinct and unique challenges. It's a distinguished pandering as opposed to Trump's vulgar othering of anyone who doesn't fit the proper profile.
How does that differ from wanting a white dude from the mid-west to “round out the ticket” and appeal to voters? You go with the running mate that you think will get you the most votes.
Yup, the way she and Vivek Ramaswamy were treated by their own (while having all the same garbage beliefs) really said it all. No matter how sincere your beliefs are and how much success you've had in your career, they might, might grudgingly tolerate you to your face because they need your money and connections, but they still think you're a cow-worshipping heathen who asks for bobs and vagen and shits in the street after eating unhygienic street food.
A lot of minorities think because the white people they interact with aren’t overtly racist towards them that any minority complaining about racism or negative racial experiences is lying or just one of the bad ones.
They also filter out the racism coming from Trump and his supporters as just a few bad apples or out of context in order to contort their personal experiences into a reality they want to believe in
1) Non-black minorities being self-selected immigrants who came here freely of their own accord. As opposed to African-Americans, we were kidnapped/human trafficked here against our will and involuntarily held here for centuries upon pain of death or mutilation if we tried to escape. A self-selected immigrant who came here of their own free will have a different experience with white racists and white supremacists than African-Americans. It's like Ariel Castro's 3 victims' experiences with him vs people who came to his house on their own and could leave whenever they wanted. Castro doesn't seem like quite as bad or dangerous of a guy from the perspectives of his visitors compared to the perspectives of those 3 girls. From the perspective of non-black immigrants they probably think African-Americans are just exaggerating or failing to do like they do and just ignore it. People who immigrate here on their own are more likely to feel towards black people like "Just ignore the racist ones like I do, forehead. Lol Duh! It can't hurt you if you do that."
2) The Model Minority Myth. A lot of immigrants who come to the US are basically the pro-America equivalent of weeaboos/otakus. They're enamored by the US and very desperately want to fit it and be accepted. Many think if they just make all the right choices they'll be spared the racism and be accepted as an equal, an "honorary white person", or at least a "model minority" who is looked at like a beloved pet or harmless lesser. Like many non-Japanese/non-Asian weeaboos would love to move to Japan and become viewed as an "honorary Japanese" person over there. Many would look at victims of racism in the US as people who didn’t do what they needed to do to become accepted and view them as kinda deserving their sorry lot in life.
Elon is right now very flashy with showing off his paid for President of the United States toy. When a --26th-- 25th Amendment event happens, he's gonna get schooled by Thiel.
Simone Collins, the pronatalist goon previously served as the managing director for Dialog, a secretive invite-only social club co-founded by investor Peter Thiel.
Take what you will from that. It’s a giant cringe circle mainly because they’re all awful people. It’s very… squid gameish.
nah, he probably doesn’t, but he personally owns the vp, and since trump is probably on his last legs, thiel will have his own puppet president instead of the idiot elon has.
Watch the Vance/Walz biography a bit on Frontline.
Vance clearly was a weird looking middle class drag queen pokemon card player who was friends with the weirdo pre trans FtM, and not the clout chasing Vivek Ramaswamy who already had the bleached teeth smile.
So why did Thiel give a weirdo Yale grad a partnership in whatever equity management group besides Vance being a fanboy? Is this like a Gaetz/Whedon situation where someone is such a weirdo growing up, that given access to power, they'll do anything to proverbially have sex with minors?
Many have small businesses or family/friends with small businesses. And for some reason, they believe that Trump is pro small business. They believe that Trump will make them money. And as it goes for most humans, greed trumps all.
Probably easy to miss if you’re in a Fox News bubble. Hopefully she broadens her perspective. Meritocracy is a noble goal, but we also need to help poor people and downtrodden groups have a chance at decent education to make things fairer.
Pardon me, did she not see how they all treated Vance’s INDIAN WIFE.
One of the greatest human failings is the "......But not me, though. I'm special. I'm built different." phenomenon in human thinking. Sooooo many bad things that have happened to countless other people keep happening to the next person because the next person thinks "Nahhh!! That'll never happen to me! I'm built different!" Otherwise there would never be any more drug addicts, people getting hurt from reckless stunts, or car crashes from distracted driving. There are more than enough example of people meeting bad ends from those things, but the next person thinks ".....But not me, though."
It was always "fuck you, Brownie". Not sure why they don't see that, as smart as they are (or think they are).
And where the fuck do they see a "meritocracy" at in America? Most of our celebs are nepo babies. The two biggest players - Trump and Leon - inherited their money from racists who took advantage of a biased system.
I know what the American dream was supposed to be, but everyone woke up from that shit about 40 years ago.
It's a common attitude amongst the Indian / Asian American professional upper middle class.
Many of them believe they were rewarded because they were the rule following "good immigrants" so they think the racist chuds in the MAGA movement will welcome them with open arms.
And worth noting, a lot of financial experts have said had he just smartly invested his money, he'd have a lot richer than he was thanks to his failed, grifty pet projects.
Trump owned two profitable casinos. He mortgaged them to the hilt to build a better casino bigger than the two combined that was also mortgaged to the hilt. All the gamblers that used to go to the profitable casinos now went to the new casino. The two old casinos go bankrupt.
The thing about "high-caste" Indian immigrants beliefs (specifically those who buy into the whole caste thing) is that they believe that being born high-caste is a reward for the merit of their previous life. You can't argue that people's birth circumstances aren't meritocratic because they actually believe it to be so.
And in the US we have puritan values that say if you are righteous and favored by god it will show up as earthly blessings, so of course if you’re rich and successful you deserve because you’re such a great person!
It's a "meritocracy" as long as you Know Your Place and understand that your "merit" can never bring you higher than someone else's skin (lighter) color and (male) sex, no matter how much "merit" you demonstrate.
Although her tweet that "competency won the day" is HILARIOUS considering the stupid nepo-baby's complete and demonstrable LACK of competency during his whole first term and his failure to even demonstrate basic understanding of how things work.
It was the 'slowly' part of that comment that really got me. They've all but been wearing their klan hoods out in the open now. There's nothing 'slow' about any of this anymore.
That's 100% it. She thought that she was part of the "good immigrant" group. Her stupid ass didn't even think that that was all bullshit made to buy their support but once they stop being useful they're just brown people.
Indian immigrants, who have been doing their damndest to perpetuate the caste system in every country they emigrate to, are the last people who can claim to be all about meritocracy.
To the great annoyance of the people who left India to get away from this crap (plus not being a nepo baby or corrupt). My parents had an intercaste marriage and I get the feeling it was an talked in our UK community but not out loud.
I remember some BORU about a guy that finding out one of his work colleagues get bullied by some guys because of their different caste. Foget how did that end up though.
I work in Silicon Valley. I’ve talked to folks of S Asian and SEA descent who have honestly told me that they’ve never experienced racism in person growing up in California. Meanwhile I grew up as an American-born person of SEA descent in other places in the US and got the expected slurs and “ching chong” and go back to your country stuff from poor white kids, so that was shocking to hear. If you meet an Indian person who says they haven’t experienced racism, believe them. They might be high-caste and coming from a family that left an Indian system that they believe advantages backward-caste Indians, and are living in a protective high-caste tight-knit Indian community in the US that conflates class with merit.
Can confirm, my parents said they'd experienced racism and I was confused for years as a light skinned Indian with an American accent. Obviously I figured it out later, but there's a lot of people who can't differentiate between their booksmarts and reality.
A lot of them lie about it because it feels "good" for them to say they didn't experience racism to justify living in America over their home country (which a lot of them look down on). As someone part of a diaspora community I myself admit most of them were running from "socialists / communists," who in reality were just sane people
It's delusional of the highest order that they think that white Republicans, especially the racists one will choose them 1st and prefer them because of "shared values" and "merit". Jokes on them.
They are aware of the racism, she's being a hypocrite. It's when it's not directed at <insert the original tweeter's race>, then it's not a problem, because surely racism works in a tight box and is never expanded on. Hitler killed lots of white and white-adjacent people while he was targeting Jewish people, people need to realize that. Just because some group isn't the primary target doesn't mean they aren't a target.
Sometimes you get played for votes (e.g. Asian Americans and trying to take a few dozen Harvard/Yale admissions from Blacks and Latinos, but ultimately losing more admissions and helping legacy admissions get hundreds more admissions in the end, and I say this as someone close to Asian diaspora, it was completely misguided) before you get on the chopping block.
Meritocracy never meant anything related to actual skip or competence. It always was about race and now that they don't need to pretend they can be explicit about it.
To me, the ones i truly have absolutely no sympathy for are the minorities and lgbtq who sided with trump. How fucking stupid can you get? They deserve everything that is coming for them.
Oh she knew, but she was more than happy to laugh it off when she thought her oppressors would respect her for bending over and taking it quietly. Once she finds herself stuck on the side of the fence with the rest of us she'll...double down to try and win some small victory instead of learning from her mistake and growing as a person.
I think she said she is a fan of meritocracy. But, then she goes on to prove how she fundamentally misunderstands what that actually means by stating that the merit badges of rapist, draft-dodger, fraud, compulsive liar, con artist, grifter and convicted felon somehow makes him the most qualified candidate. GTFOH.
She is really stupid not understanding who she’s associating with and unable to comprehend what trump and his supporters are like. There is such willful blindness here it’s sort of shocking.
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u/TheRealEkimsnomlas 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ok, some of this is straight up Captain Obvious quotes but anyway...
Anyone who thinks it is "interesting to see" racism "coming out of the woodwork" from the right needs to rethink the bubble they live in. Perhaps also consider the totality instead of just how things affect themselves for a change? One-issue vote against "meritocracy" has condemned millions of people in the same racial demo- brown people of origins outside the nativist anglo dome- to a world of hurt and probably are endangering themselves to boot.