r/DestinyTheGame • u/lukelimbaugh • Nov 29 '23

Welp, They Finally Broke Our Bud Datto Media

He's so right. There's a suit at Bungo that got paid for this decision. More concerned with the next few months of $$ than the next few years of players.

https://youtu.be/mYSdTqwHM-k?si=bVw8T5yD2FZs5Zwj&t=1120

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u/Ok_Programmer_1022 Nov 29 '23

I don't blame him, why the hell is it even called "starter pack"? it will confuse new players even more.

I swear bungie is digging their own grave.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '23

It’s called that because it will confuse and trick new players into wasting 15 bucks on this scam of a pack.

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u/yet-again-temporary Nov 29 '23

Hell, I played a fair amount of D2 at launch and was thinking of getting back into it recently, at this point I have no goddamned idea what I have to buy or what content is relevant for catching up (both in terms of plot and light level)

Can't imagine you guys see many completely brand new players if even someone who's trying to return is having this much trouble

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u/Ok_Programmer_1022 Nov 29 '23

Exactly, the forsaken pack shouldn't be a thing nor the dungeon keys.

Make dungeon keys part of the season or the expansion.

In addition to that, Shadowkeep, beyond light, lightfall and the final shape should be put in an order, and in-game cutscene(or better a mission) should exist to explain what happened in each season.

If bungie wants revenue, they should make stuff more approachable for new players instead of confusing the hell out of them.

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u/Brad_030 Nov 29 '23

As someone who just started about a week and a half ago, I’m so fucking lost, lol. I played D1 from start to finish and then moved on to other things shortly after D2 release, so I kinda know some of the lore, but I don’t even know where to start as far as content I should be doing.

Currently about 1770, so I’m doing nightfalls now. Almost finished unlocking the strand class fully, and trying to prep to raid. I guess just do the weekly stuff that gives good gear, and then focus on unlocking stasis as well? Not really sure what to farm for other than that.

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u/bird_dog0347 Guardian Down! Nov 29 '23

If you care about the story lines, I'd say once you're done with Strand and Lightfall, maybe go back and start the Shadowkeep campaign then Beyond Light campaign (assuming you bought them), then go to the HELM and start the seasonal story from the War Table (by the window) then once you finish all that rotate counter-clockwise around the HELM doing the seasonal stuff for each one to catch up to where we are today. There will still be a ton of the story missing for you from older seasons and the Red War (OG D2) that are gone now.

In the Cosmodrome you can get the New Light quest from Shaw Han and complete that to sorta kinda get an idea of what's going on. Then there's the guardian ranks (journey tab on the character menu) that can show you how to rank those up and what you need to work on if you want to.

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u/Brad_030 Nov 29 '23

Thanks for the info, I’m really trying to dig through YT to find out what gear I need to chase to make viable builds. Mainly for pve, but I do enjoy pvp some as well. I read a post yesterday talking about all the guns/gear that give vets an advantage in pvp, so I’m currently looking into that. They were talking about some having aim assist, some doing headshot damage for body shots, and the health recovery that I see almost immediately in some matches.

I know it will be slow going, but the game is fun and I don’t have the need to be top tier meta to enjoy it.

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u/bird_dog0347 Guardian Down! Nov 29 '23

Do you play all three classes? Or just one at this time? Knowing that could help direct you to certain builds and tell you what armor/guns to chase.

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u/Brad_030 Nov 29 '23

I’m maining a Hunter, but have all 3 leveling right now. Warlock is at about 1755, and I’ve only just began doing things on my titan. Will probably run some dares this week to get him some gear.

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u/bird_dog0347 Guardian Down! Nov 29 '23

Gotcha, on hunter there are a few good options for you to consider. If you prefer Strand and want to play that way I like the Foetracer (exotic helmet) build with the Maelstrom aspect and Quicksilver Storm *with catalyst*. If you like to run Void the Gryfalcon's (Exotic chest) build along side Gravaton Lance is a ton of fun and makes you invis while everything turns purple and goes boom.

For your Warlock I've been having a ton of fun on solar with Sunbracer's exotic arms, solar grenades, and Monte Carlo (you need powered melee kills to trigger the exotic arms perk and throw like 5 solar grenades to just obliterate everything in sight.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '23

So what is this game now if there is no story? Did they finally manage to add more than the handful strikes and raids?

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u/bird_dog0347 Guardian Down! Nov 29 '23

Ummmm, I didn't say or imply there is no story... there is in fact a rich deep story, the only problem is that some of it, specifically the beginnings of it have been "vaulted" and you can no longer access them or play them. Seasonal story lines only stick around for at most a year (starting with the most recent DLC launch) but in the case of this season that began this week the story line will disappear with the launch of The Final Shape. You can always go watch the cut scenes on YouTube though to see what you missed.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '23

So there is no complete story, so there is no story.

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u/wooksquatch Nov 29 '23

Destiny optimizer helps with the grind immensely. Tells you what is left to do for the week for pinnacle and powerful gear for each character.

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u/Brad_030 Nov 29 '23

Awesome! Will definitely use that while I get my bearings

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u/Goonygoony Nov 29 '23

Run through the campaign in order as quick as you can. Provided you have the expansions. That’ll at least get you the story and the campaign is sorta designed to help level up quickly. If you run through Witch Queen or Lightfall completely on legendary you’ll get better stuff on the way and an exotic armor piece after you finish. In my mind at least, that’s baseline for a new player.

Reset your rank at the seasonal vendor as soon as you can. Once it resets you’ll start getting better stat drops on the seasonal armor when you cash in engrams. I usually see mine go from the mid-50’s to the mid/high-60’s after I get it reset. I’ve gotten to where if an armor piece doesn’t have a minimum of 67 points I scrap it without any other consideration. Don’t waste ascendant shards masterworking low stat armor. You’ll hate yourself for it later. Once you’re able to run master dungeons you’ll start picking up Artifice armor which will also help a good deal. And learn to use d2armorpicker.com, it’s game changing.

Also try to be strategic with how you’re spending your time. Working on stasis? What else needs done on Europa that you can knock out at the same time? After a while you’ll realize how much time you’re wasting going back to remote spots on the map ‘cause you weren’t paying attention and missed something you could have done while working on something else in the same place.

I’d recommend running some lost sectors solo until you’re able to efficiently clear them. Then run a couple on legend or master (with a friend or two if you need to) just to get a taste before moving onto a dungeon. Knock out a couple dungeons and you should be ready to start dabbling with the raids. If you get through Ghosts of the Deep and aren’t ready to quit you should be ready to raid. Highly recommend the D2 LFG Discord server for that. There’s a whole “find a Sherpa”channel to connect with folks helping people learn the raids. It can be rough joining a group when no one wants to teach and everyone wants to speed run. The sherpas are awesome.

I’ve technically been playing since D1, but only really taken it seriously since earlier this year. Best thing you can do when starting out is to be focused on what you’re doing and make a plan so you don’t spend hours wondering around killing random adds and making no progress.

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u/jeepgrl50 Nov 29 '23

Its wild how they don't give direction to the journey to "now". Forsaken(Dreaming City/Last Wish raid), ShadowKeep(moon missions/raid), Beyond Light(stasis missions/Deep stone crypt raid), Witch Queen(Throne world/Mars crafting table/Vow raid), Lightfall(Strand campaign/Root of Nightmares) is the order of expansions but we have Vault of Glass/Kings Balls/Scrotums End raids reprised just for fun I guess or bc making new raids is HARD!🤣 Best I can say is play what you want, Grind for weapon patterns on good craftable weapons(Most of them come from raids but most of the raids are at 1600 power so your GTG). Dungeons offer good stuff also. Farm good high stat armor from moon dungeon when it's up on the weekly featured bc its fast with great chance of stats you'll want. Artifice armor comes from master dungeons which is better but harder/higher lvl cap. Look up current meta for good dps options if need be. Monument of lost light offers good exotics if you have the currency needed. Get Witherhoard, And Outbreak Perfected 1st would be my suggestions bc they're so good but that's just my 2 cents. Exotics with anti champion built in are handy. Wishender is S-tier exotic bow you'll want but kinda complicated to acquire so YouTube be a good bet on steps guide. Spoils from raiding are important for some good stuff so stack/save them and use em wisely. Just some tips from a vet with far too much time in Destiny.😂 YouTube it if in doubt but look at date of video bc meta shifts can render some useless. Any questions just shoot, And I'll answer if possible. Best of luck. It'll be a blast for awhile most likely.

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u/supernawas Dec 01 '23

So right at the beginning of season of the witch I got myself and 3 close friends playing D2. None of us had ever played, and all used to play a ton back in D1 days. It took a while of campaign running , exotic quest hunting, and seasonal griding. I was still pretty lost for story but was having fun just playing with friends in PVE and starting the old school raids. Finally I just watched a 4 hour long video on YT completely explaining the story and lore since D1. I got to say its really informative if you have lots of questions but not necessarily required to have fun. As for the gear and what's worth your time? That came to me from meeting some veterans explaining builds , synergy , artifice armor, adept weapons, and the rare exotics locked behind lost sectors and neomuna.

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u/N1njaSkillz Nov 29 '23

just dont

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u/Brad_030 Nov 29 '23

Eh, I normally play Tarkov so pain is my comfort

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u/larryboylarry Nov 29 '23

I’ve been playing for years and I’m lost.

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u/Brad_030 Nov 30 '23

Lol, maybe not as far behind as I thought!

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u/ownagemobile Nov 29 '23

It's ridiculous... every other mmo just incorporates the previous seasons into the new one... hell if they want just add $5 markup on the latest season for every prior season you don't own... so if u are a veteran player u buy lightfall for $100, if you are a newbie you buy lightfall for $115, or $120 and you have all the previous stuff and are caught up. Bungie is actively pushing away new players and with how much they're bleeding money that decision continues to baffle me.... sure maybe some new players will drop $200+ to get caught up, but 99% of new players will be put off by the cost to entry, and obviously if they're missing revenue marks by 45% their strategy ain't working!

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u/UnjustlyInterrupted Nov 30 '23

100% this.

If the new content came with all the content I'd missed for a bit more than a new game on its own, I'd jump back in. But I'm not buying like, 4 new games worth of cost to get maybe 6 hours of story.

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u/pixelrubbish Nov 29 '23

Forsaken has new meaning now…

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u/UsayNOPE_IsayMOAR Nov 29 '23

Yeah, coming back near the end of season of plunder, I had no idea what was going on, but I wanted to be able to play all the older releases. Worked great for Shadowkeep, beyond light. Had no idea Forsaken had been sunset. Really wasted my money there, but that feels like it’s by design.

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u/LoneLyon Nov 29 '23

It boggles my mind you have something like the ff14 free trail and how well that does, then you have stuff like this.

For free I can go download ff14 on a new account and have 1000+ hours of content for free with zero time limit. Everything before WQ should be free at this point.

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u/LadyEnchantress21 Apr 26 '24

So I started about the time Lightfall was announced and I still get a bit lost story wise and became a crucible main because it made sense I think I ran beyond light and witch queen simultaneously and if not for my boyfriend and clan I'd still be scratching my head... hell I did Kingsfall for my first raid 2 weeks in thinking it was just a group activity 🤣

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u/scientist_tz Nov 29 '23

They no longer have enough people working on the game to support a change that large.

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u/MrJoemazing Nov 29 '23

Honestly, I would accept seasons being $5 more but including the Dungeon pass. They drastically need to streamline the monetization for newer players.

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u/ArcadianBlueRogue Nov 30 '23

I still haven't bought that dungeon key. That was hilariously shitty of Bungie to do when we are already blowing overpriced amounts for expansions/seasons

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u/Cluelesswolfkin Nov 29 '23

No new players coming in, old players quit/gave up, a lot of other ppl leaving during TFS annnnnd still not hitting that 45% revenue target but hey! Guess what there's a start pack to help them out /s

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u/leonardomslemos Gambit Prime Nov 29 '23

If things aren't looking great now, wait until post TFS. I know A LOT of people who are basically only holding onto this game still because they want to at least experience the closing to the saga(as underwhelming as they expect it to be, but still). I bet the numbers will plummet even further next July/August since the game does a piss poor job at enticing and encouraging new players to join/buy and a huge chunk of veterans(that were basically doing the job of helping out fellow New Light that Bungie/the game should've been doing in the 1st place) will leave. Chances are Bungie will either triple down on those scummy monetization tactics/practices or they straight up shut the game down in 2 years at max(I bet their leaked strategy of not doing Yearly expansion anymore has this in mind - only Episodes from now on). I hope I'm very wrong but this franchise feel completely fucked now, unless they pull their most miraculous miracle to date and TFS is somehow the best Expansion in the history of the game and Episodes are somehow a big hit(and both hypotheticals are simply laughable)

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u/Cluelesswolfkin Nov 29 '23

I'm with you there bro. They have had time and decided minimum effort max profits and decided a 5yr old activity with "new rewards" is where it's at lmfao.

When nothing has chnaged except the new area everyone will just bounce lol this ain't it anymore

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u/Express-Reality9219 Nov 29 '23

Pretty much where I’m at, I’ll prob log on right at the end of the story for this new season, do it in a day or 2 and log off till TFS play the story and the raid once and unless it blows me away prob quit for good afterwards, it’s sad that this game has turned off players at every skill level and especially players at the highest level. Like my clan used to run 4 contest teams a raid and would usually see at least 3/4 clearing, now for TFS we have 1 team and even that’s shaky because of how many players have stepped away from the game. Honestly I just have no confidence in Bungie anymore.

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u/zoompooky Nov 29 '23

Bingo. My plan is to buy the base expansion only, do the story, and then sunset Bungie.

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u/Cluelesswolfkin Nov 29 '23

Same. Almost all of my friends have been Sunset. During scertain seasons, during lightfalls debacle etc. And some of them even paid for the annual and just won't comeback. That's how bad they've done dirty with the community. I always buy annual but this had just left such a sour taste in my mouth, more so with firing salvatori that I'm not even getting TFS at full release I'm waiting for a minute till that shots goes on sale because this game isn't worth it anymore

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u/Snipey13 Network's Haunted Nov 30 '23

unless they pull their most miraculous miracle to date and TFS is somehow the best Expansion in the history of the game and Episodes are somehow a big hit

Funny because this is literally what I'm expecting if they want me to buy TFS and future content. I've been looking forward to this damn ending for so fucking long and I no longer have blind faith that they'll nail it, so they need to earn that money now. If when it comes out I don't hear amazing things about it, I'm just checking out or at the very least not spending on it.

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u/th3groveman Nov 29 '23

They’ve shortsightedly sacrificed a wider new player appeal to instead soak anyone new for every little slice of content they can.

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Nov 29 '23

Yep same experience I had last year. It’s fucking impossible to figure out what you need to buy

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u/Dis4Wurk Nov 29 '23

I’ve been playing since D1 with only a season or two break in that whole time. I recently started trying to help a buddy get into it because he genuinely likes the game and wants to play it. We can’t figure out what’s best to get him and what we need to do in any particular order. Can’t decide between lightfall or witch queen, there’s a few exotics he wants which means we think he needs forsaken and possibly beyond light for those, definitely needs beyond light to unlock stasis, not sure if he wants to even bother with strand after I told how much of a pain in the royal ass it is and how much time is required to unlock anything at all for it. So we end up looking through the store while I look through the exotics to figure out where they came from then end up doing strikes, which he doesn’t have a lot of fun doing because someone is always powering through it or crucible, which he enjoys because he plays COD as well, but the learning curve is steep and I don’t think he has finished a game over .4 yet in a dozen or more games. I tell him he needs to play without me because my matchmaking is making the games that much harder for him so he tries and that isn’t necessarily the case. So he gets discouraged and switches games. It’s like beating our heads against the wall just to get him started and I don’t think he will stick around very long. It’s been 2 weeks and he is already very discouraged from wanting to play.

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u/Verified_Engineer Nov 29 '23

Dude I havent seen a new light in ages

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u/Senor_flash Nov 29 '23

I see them all the time on the cosmodrone

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u/Spider95818 Nov 29 '23

Same here; it's an easy place to farm heavy weapon kills for Banshee and it and the Tower are the only places I can find Rank 1s and 2s regularly.

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u/TheLostExplorer7 Nov 29 '23

I have seen a rank 3 in the wild running strikes once. I tried to type in text chat to him asking if he needed any help doing anything, but no response. I don't know if his text chat was enabled or not. He wasn't in voice chat as far as I could tell.

Still wild to me that basic stuff like text and voice chat are by default opt-in. Most other games it is set so that the player can opt-out.

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u/Spider95818 Dec 01 '23

I just ran some strikes with a Rank 2 last night. Matchmaking put him with me and another 7, and the 2 kept up pretty well; they learned quickly and had no trouble following along through the Mars battleground, which can have some tricky pathfinding for someone new to the game's mobility and level design.

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u/marsSatellite Nov 29 '23

The game is free to try but experienced players are almost always in paid content. I see guardian rank 1s almost every time I'm in the cosmodrome patrol which is approximately 3x each season to do the weekly bounties to save them for the next season.

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u/Spikes_in_my_eyes Nov 29 '23

I haven't played in a couple months, loaded in with a my newbie player friend and I didn't have a si gle fucking idea what he was supposed to do

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u/IndurDawndeath Nov 29 '23

Expansions are what to go for.

Pick up the ones you don’t have to catch up on the story. You don’t really need anything except maybe the most recent one for power level.

Now, what you need to know for purchasing: Do not buy silver bundles!

expansions:

These are sold separately and in bundles, so make sure you do not buy anything twice!

Forsaken is just access to 20 exotic weapons, the Last Wish raid, and Shattered Throne dungeon. You aren’t going to be replaying those at this point, so you’d be paying for the exotics and raid weapons (recently updated and made craftable).

30th Anniversary os Grasp of Avarice dungeon, Gjallarhorn, and some weapons/armor.

Then you have the expansions: Shadowkeep, Beyond Light, Witch Queen, and Lightfall (in order). Each one gives you story, access to exotics and weapons tied to them.

There are sales going on right now, and on Steam you can get all of that for ~$75 on steam. With over half of that being Lightfall and its annual pass (what’s on sale, includes the dungeon pass).

There’s probably another dungeon pass, but that would be an in game purchase with silver (can’t check at the moment).

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u/Metatron58 Nov 29 '23

it's similar to something added in GW2 recently. Commonly referred to as a noob trap.

They added a way to buy hero points which you need for your character but it costs real money. They are super easy to get in game for free though. This is a little different as it's not as easy or maybe even unobtainable technically for some or all of those exotics but the general idea is the same.

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u/Zero_Emerald Heavy as Death Nov 29 '23

I looked at some of the steam reviews earlier and a bunch of them were "WHY DID I BUY THIS?!" and "I FEEL SCAMMED!" negative comments. Ugh.

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u/DetectiveWood Nov 29 '23

Yup. They don’t give a damn if you are tricked or stupid. Transaction is a transaction. It wouldn’t shock me if they ban account that ask for refunds

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u/Kaliqi Nov 29 '23

If i am new to a certain game, i definitely WONT spend money for extra goods. That would hive the game a very bad reputation and Destiny is already infamous for being a pricey game. I am a longtime player and would never consider buying those stupid shader packs. Especially when i look at the recycled content drop we get annually

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u/Stormfox99 Nov 29 '23

Why is there cat ears on alhaitham

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '23

Dendro Keqing

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '23

What part of it is a scam exactly? I haven't seen anyone answer this.

Sparrows and Ships are 800 Silver each in the shop. Exotic Ghost are 500 Silver (I think). So all 3 of those would total 2100 Silver or 20.00 USD. The bundle had all 3 for 14.99

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '23

Yes the prices of cosmetics in Eververse are also ridiculously high, congrats for getting that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '23

They could definitely be cheaper but they've been that much for so long it doesn't surprise me. I wish they'd just add that stuff to the brightdust section ffs

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u/Bhu124 Nov 29 '23

Other Cosmetics MTX they do, you can argue that they are just copying other games and it makes money and hurts no one, but this Starter Pack actively hurts the game. It makes the new player experience worse in a game that's already infamous for having some of the most terrible new-player experience in any Live-Service game. This is something that's extremely short-sighted and actively hurts the long-term life potential of Destiny. Hell, it's a straight up terrible welcome to new players, does Bungie really think that the new players who buy this pack aren't gonna quickly find out that they got absolutely scammed?

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u/ArenjiTheLootGod Nov 29 '23

Clearly, Bungie has learned nothing and are hoping that more low effort and half-assed monetization will dig them out of the hole they're in. I swear, it's like Bungie thinks entering credit card information into a digital storefront is a peak gaming experience. Congrats Bungo, after years of greed and a race to the bottom mentality you've finally discovered the hard limits for tolerating enshittification.

Destiny deserves to fail if this is the kind of stewardship and course correction Bungie provides.

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u/Morosaki_Chan Nov 29 '23

I've said it once I'll say it again, it's not even the company as a whole and thst mindset is what is hurting the game so bad.

People are so quick to attack the people who ARE touchable and seem to undermine those at the top who aren't, this is probably an exec choice who all they want is that money to be made back. The execs run the BUSINESS, the devs are simply the producers of the product. Easy as that

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u/aguynamedv Nov 29 '23

The long-term health of a company is often meaningless to C-suite level executives who get bonuses based on yearly performance and are therefore directly incentivized to pump up those numbers anyway they can.

Doubly so in publicly traded companies in the US, who are more or less legally required to consider shareholder value above all other concerns.

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u/Delet3r Vanguard's Loyal Nov 30 '23

Amazon.com didn't do that for years. And was extremely successful because of it.

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u/lukelimbaugh Nov 29 '23

If we could still give awards, this would be a shoe in.

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u/Theunknowing777 Nov 29 '23

That's exactly what it is, they are milking the cash cow on a sinking ship readying to steal the life rafts

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u/absolomfishtank Nov 29 '23

It's called burning the furniture. It's pretty common with companies that know they're going to shutter soon.

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u/absolomfishtank Nov 29 '23

There's this term called 'burning the furniture.' it's aggressive monetization and product declination when a company does not intend to last much longer. The specifics of it describe what Bungie is doing to a T.

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u/ShogunGunshow Nov 29 '23

They could not make it more obvious that they plan to put D2 on life-support after TFS.

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Nov 29 '23

That’s the crazy thing though, and I’m sure part of why datto is so furious.

After the layoff fiasco, we’ve basically learned that bungie is SCARED. That they NEED destiny to keep the lights on, at least for the next 3 years. And they’re scared because it’s tracking the wrong direction.

After we learned ALL that stuff… this is what 5hey do. It’s unforgivable. They’re lucky I’m far too invested to pass on TFS. But I can tell you for certain. Even if TFS is great, I’m done after it. They cannot be trusted. That’s my exit point

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u/desolateconstruct Nov 29 '23

They’re lucky I’m far too invested to pass on TFS.

I mean, you're really not though. Thats just the sunk cost fallacy fucking with you, and bungie is betting on that keeping people around.

I felt the same way. I'll just get TFS to finish out the story and call it a day. I haven't picked the game up since like, June lol. Once you step away for a few weeks, play other stuff and view bungie's antics from a different perspective...it becomes easy to leave it behind. I've been a player since Vanilla D1.

How the FUCK did it come to this? I don't know. But here we are.

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Nov 29 '23

Its not the sunk cost fallacy. I WANT to know what happens, I WANT to play the last expansion. Thats not sunk cost fallacy.

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u/greiton Nov 29 '23

And they are going to string you along, with the final shape answering a couple questions, but creating a million more.

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Nov 29 '23

Thats fine. If they do that, so be it. TFS is my exit point.

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u/havingasicktime Nov 29 '23

That is literally sunk cost though.

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u/Snipey13 Network's Haunted Nov 30 '23

I don't wanna know what happens if it sucks ass lmao

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u/chodyko Hunter Gang Nov 29 '23

wait. why do we think bungie is scared? they seem pretty keen on dropping the destiny saga and focusing on marathon instead after FS.

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u/Snipey13 Network's Haunted Nov 30 '23

recent news coming out that after the layoffs, Marathon is being internally delayed to 2025 and staff is being pulled from that project back to Destiny. I'm guessing they need the revenue from it and expectations for Marathon and their other title (that might have been cancelled?) are not doing so good from playtest reactions.

hence the delay for TFS. they were initially just gonna drop it and go but it seems they kinda need it to be good now.

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u/Morosaki_Chan Nov 29 '23

I will scream this to the high heavens if I must, the developers and the execs are basically at war here. The execs want all the money they can grab but thr developers, who have gone on record for this btw, wanted to rollback on MTX, They wanted to start addressing fan concerns, and more. Thr execs want money, and any way they can

Why? Shareholders, don't blame the devs, they are genuinely trying, but they have to listen to those at the top.

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u/s0lesearching117 Nov 29 '23

They cannot be trusted.

Man, I don't wanna twist the knife, but I saw the writing on the wall aaallllll the way back in 2014 when the original game launched in the sorry state it did and then was followed up by an expansion as stingy as The Dark Below.

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u/Snipey13 Network's Haunted Nov 30 '23

They’re lucky I’m far too invested to pass on TFS

I mean I'm super invested too but if the ending ends up being terrible then we're not missing out on anything. So I'll wait for reviews and player impressions and decide on that if I'm gonna pass or not. No reason to feel FOMO or stick due to sunk cost if it's not good.

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u/Bulldogfront666 Nov 29 '23

Yeah. Super scummy. They don't add anything to help the new light experience, but they add this which makes things even more confusing for them. I hope something changes soon. Something's gotta give... I don't know. It's just really sad and frustrating as hell.

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u/Batman2130 Nov 29 '23

Honestly if the starter pack included things like Shadow Keep, Beyond Light, the forsaken pack and witch queen I dont think it be that bad of a deal.

It does give Sleeper immediately which is a good dps exotic and help carry new players through content. It also may allow them to jump into a dungeon or two if they wanted.

I still think Bungie needs to make Forsaken Pack and Shadow Keep free. It’s been a long enough and it gives new players a starting point with the story for free.

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u/Steff_164 Nov 29 '23

If it came with shadow keep, beyond light, and maybe which queen, along with a hand full of exotic and materials, then fine, it is a starter pack as you need the expansions to play

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u/Bulldogfront666 Nov 29 '23

Lol... yeah duh. "If this was a good deal that wasn't bad it would be a better deal". Lol.

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u/LickMyThralls Nov 29 '23

I find it funny people focus so much on expansions when I've literally seen other games with similar things do the same thing and it's literally just a jumpstart/headstart set of in game shit to help new players springboard forward in game and has fuck all to do with expansions.

This whole thing is idiot soup right now with people arguing about their preconceived ideas about what's a "starter pack" like when people argued about what an expansion is for a game even though it's a dumb game of semantics.

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u/losthours Nov 29 '23

the grave is already 200 feet and years deep at this point.

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u/Lwe12345 Nov 29 '23

100% management is being pressured into or just straight up calling the shots on this garbage. They were what, 40% something under their projected for last year. Whoever is in charge of trying to make sure destiny makes money made this horrible decision.

It’s sad because destiny is such an amazing game with so much to offer, but it’s plagued by horrible monetization. I’ve gotten a lot of people into the game who mostly no longer play, but my up front disclaimer is always “imagine one of the most interesting, beautiful, satisfying, great games where every bit of meaningful content costs money to do”.

I say it’s like playing the best game in the world but every hour you get slapped and a dollar is taken out of your bank account.

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u/Morosaki_Chan Nov 29 '23

It's not even bungie as a whole, the developers have gone on record saying they don't WANT to make shit like this, that they want to make changes but are blocked off by the execs

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u/AlexiaVerdant Nov 29 '23

Well, it is a pack that helps you get started. Many games sell starter packs that include a small amount of gear (weapons and armor), some currencies/resources, and usually some cosmetic for a mount (like a sparrow or horse). I'm not surprised they added one, though I thought the point of the forsaken pack wasit was meant to be their version of a starter pack.

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u/makoblade Nov 29 '23

If this was called almost anything else, it'd be way less offensive.

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u/th3groveman Nov 29 '23

It really seems like they’re not after any new player, but specific new players predisposed to running on the hamster wheel and spending in Eververse. Anyone without that predisposition is going to see the excessive nickel and diming, confusing content availability, etc and dip out.

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u/NewRichMango Nov 29 '23

They've been digging their own grave for years now, first starting when they took D1's innocent Eververse shop and turned it into a monster in D2, then when they totally flopped with Curse of Osiris and Warmind, then when they decided to delete paid content permanently (fucking over players and their ability to tell a cohesive story), then when they decided to parcel out content for individual purchase when they used to be included in the price of a season, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. They deserve nothing more than our bitterness - not our money, not our playtime, nothing.

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u/TheBandit_42 a.k.a Black Spindle Nov 30 '23

It's called Marketing and it will work, for them, and still create a bigger gap between the player base and Bungo.

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u/Ok_Programmer_1022 Nov 30 '23

Welp, they removed it.