r/Conservative • u/Pessimist2020 • Dec 22 '20
Americans Excitedly Anticipate Getting Paid With Their Own Money Satire - Flaired Users Only
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u/Gamerschmamer FairlyFarRight Dec 22 '20
The fact that the government can’t pass a stand-alone stimulus just tells you how broken it is
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u/Cocororow2020 Dec 22 '20
Had to stick money to Israel and Sudan into the mix, over a billion dollars leaving USA for our citizens relief.
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u/RedBaronsBrother Conservative Dec 22 '20
- Provides $40 million for the Kennedy Center - this may sound familiar - the Democrats included a special $25 million carve out for the Kennedy Center in the last COVID relief bill, which it took and then immediately laid off its staff.
- $169,739,000 to Vietnam, including $19 million to remediate dioxins (page 1476).
- Unspecified funds to "continue support for not-for-profit institutions of higher education in Kabul, Afghanistan that are accessible to both women and men in a coeducational environment" (page 1477).
- $198,323,000 to Bangladesh, including $23.5 million to support Burmese refugees and
- $23.3 million for "democracy programs" (page 1485).
- $130,265,000 to Nepal for "development and democracy programs" (page 1485).
- Pakistan: $15 million for "democracy programs" and $10 million for "gender programs" (page 1486).
- Sri Lanka: Up to $15 million "for the refurbishing of a high endurance cutter," which is a type of patrol boat (page 1489).
- $505,925,000 to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama to "address key factors that contribute to the migration of unaccompanied, undocumented minors to the United States" (pages 1490-1491).
- $461,375,000 to Colombia for programs related to counternarcotics and human rights (pages 1494-1496).
- $74.8 million to the "Caribbean Basin Security Initiative" (page 1497).
- $33 million "for democracy programs for Venezuela" (page 1497).
- Unspecified amount to Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Curacao, and Trinidad and Tobago "for assistance for communities in countries supporting or otherwise impacted by refugees from Venezuela" (page 1499).
- $132,025,000 "for assistance for Georgia" (page 1499).
- $453 million "for assistance for Ukraine" (page 1500).
- Lays the groundwork for a “Climate Security Advisory Council” (section 405)
- Sets aside funds to investigate the “1908 Springfield Race Riot" (Section 432)
- Includes a lengthy subsection titled “the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act of 2020”
- Outlays funds to address gender inequality amongst statues
- Includes funds for a museum that will offer “programming, education, exhibitions” on … “the life, art, history, and culture of women”
- Includes $193 million for federal HIV/AIDS workers stationed abroad to buy new cars
- Includes funding to discourage teenagers from drinking and hooking up
- Creates a commission tasked with educating “consumers about the dangers associated with using or storing portable fuel containers for flammable liquids near an open flame."
- Includes $1.5 million for the Appropriations Committee’s “Office of Diversity and Inclusion” as well as lots of money for receptions
- Mandates new hiring measures to ensure diversity in the intelligence community
- Provides $8 million to support Biden’s presidential transition
- Directs funds to pay for the U.S. Senate daycare center
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u/Can_Not_Double_Dutch Fiscal Conservative Dec 22 '20
This hurts to read, then I have scroll down to read more and get more pissed. WTF are we funding this stuff.
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Dec 22 '20
Because people don't actually look into this stuff. People are cheering right now because Pelosi worked with the Republicans and got a deal done. But they have no fucking idea what's even in the deal in the first place...
That's why we continue to get fleeced. No one calls it out because no one knows about it. People are mindless drones that just want to get told what to feel and think at this point.
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u/Terron1965 Reagan Country Dec 22 '20
I am quickly coming to the conclusion that Hunter Biden is not really an exception and that each of the senators and congressmen have someone getting contracts off this shit and kicking it back to the legislator. hunter is in business with another senators kid as well.
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Dec 22 '20
What the fuck... this is why congress has such a low approval rating. Fuck these people. Democrats, Republicans, independents, anyone who voted for this should be publicly shamed and chased out of office.
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u/dallens Conservative Dec 22 '20
We also gave .5 billion to Israel, since the several billion we already send every year just isn't enough.
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u/super-moons Conservative Woman Dec 22 '20
Wow... terrifying. I sent this to my friend and they asked me for a source... can someone please link any? I trust this but I guess she doesn’t. Thanks!
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u/RedBaronsBrother Conservative Dec 22 '20 edited Dec 22 '20
Here's the bill, posted on the US House's website. Is that a good enough source?
Here's a Twitchy article with callouts of some of the egregious spending, and screenshots of the relevant sections.
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u/evergreen4851 Conservative Dec 22 '20
Hear me out: I'm all for giving my $100 to supporting third world countries and their development, It's kind of our charity if you will and also benefits us in the long run buttt we have sooo many people at home in the U.S struggling that could use those billions and resources so I give a big middle finger to this relief bill, there is no relief. A lot of that money is also going to special interest groups, and corporations that do NOT need the money, so again, congress can shuv this bill right up their ass.
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u/LordGoat10 Liberty Conservative Dec 22 '20
Lots of relief programs for those countries listed are needed but whenever a bill like this comes to the floor some senator decides to ram his personal pet project into it
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u/vid_icarus Dec 22 '20
Glad to see whatever side of the isle you sit on, whatever our political differences, everyone can recognize this Congress as total bullshit
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u/GoNzOs-WaY Dec 22 '20
This is why they have us fighting each other,this is why they keep us distracted and separated by the Right/Left paradigm lie. So they can pull shit like this off with noone paying attention. Every single American should be furious about this,its ridiculous,the amount of money they are giving to Isreal alone should make people pour into the streets by the tens of thousands,DEMANDING it be changed. But nothing will happen,people will just take this $600 and smile without a peep. Thats what is truly scary to me.
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u/WhatAreYouSaying05 Gen X Conservative Dec 22 '20
That’s just the way our country is nowadays. Everybody is too much of a pussy to change anything, that is why governors and mayors who screw over their own citizens get re elected in a landslide in the next election
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u/f-as-in-philip Dec 22 '20
I agree with you, but want to point out that "pouring into the streets" has notoriously been ineffective. There's really nothing the average American CAN do other than take the money, which is honestly sad. Everyone in charge right now needs to go, right and left.
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u/ava_ati Conservative Dec 22 '20
Everybody is paying attention, I've seen this all over the place... The fact of the matter is what are you going to do about it other than bend over and say, "thank you, may I have another?"
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u/34erf Conservative Dec 22 '20
I’m going to buy an ounce of legal weed .
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u/sparten112233 Dec 22 '20
I approve but mines illegal, so im therefore a criminal and deserve jail time
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u/chuckrutledge Millennial Conservative Dec 22 '20
I'm gonna buy a whole set up to grow my own.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SPICIEST Conservative Christian Dec 22 '20
I'm going to finish my half sleeve with mine
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u/romark1965 Old School Dec 22 '20
I'm going to order 3 boxes of bullets with mine, should have them by 2024.
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Dec 22 '20 edited Dec 22 '20
I’m adding aftermarket parts to my car. Part of me feels bad about it, but I’ve been working and paying taxes this whole time, and I never got my last stimulus check. I really don’t need the money. At least it will stimulate a local mechanic.
Edit: Turbos for everyone!
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u/spudaug Dec 22 '20
Why on Earth would you feel bad about it?
If the whole point of the “stimulus” is to boost the economy, then literally any activity that involves spending your check is correct.
If the point is “relief” then spending on a mechanic (a local tradesperson, not some corporate monolith) will undoubtedly help them pay bills or pay employees, not to mention the supply chain they support.
You do you, man. You’re good.
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Dec 22 '20
I appreciate this, now I don’t feel as bad. Thank you.
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u/Girth-Nowitzki Dec 22 '20
I’m paraphrasing and I know I’m getting it wrong but they always say that every dollar spent locally can actually boost a local economy multiple times over the initial amount.
You take the $600 spend it with a local mechanic, he takes it and spends it on his local daycare who uses it to pay their plumber who buys groceries.
That 600$ turns into $2400 in the local economy. Don’t feel bad about spending it. Shop local if you can and enjoy it. It’s your money.
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u/ironbolsh Dec 22 '20
The velocity of money is always higher the lower on the economic chain you get.
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u/MrFunkyFresh70 Dec 22 '20
This is why they should have just evenly split the cares act between all americans instead of giving businesses the money. People are going to end up spending it at businesses they frequent. Just giving the money to businesses does not help the fact that a lot of people lost their income. Once the money ran out for the small businesses, there was once again no income because the people supporting the business don't have the extra money.
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u/TheAzureMage Dec 22 '20
That'd have been what, $2750 each?
That'd have been one hell of a stimulus.
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u/MrFunkyFresh70 Dec 22 '20
I think it would have been closer to $6,900 for every single american.
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u/TheAzureMage Dec 22 '20
For every single taxpayer, yeah. The $2750 is every man, woman and child, regardless of taxpaying status.
The $600 is even more restrictive than every taxpayer, though, due to the $75k income cap. So if it was just those people, it would be even higher than $6k.
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u/MrFunkyFresh70 Dec 22 '20
Regardless, I think we're trying to get to the same point here. They could have done a lot more to help people stay out of poverty and to help the economy, especially local economies, but they didn't.
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u/TheAzureMage Dec 22 '20
Oh, agreed.
Pretty much everyone of any political persuasion is likely to be on board here. It's really odd when conservatives and AOC are on the same side, but it tells you something about how messed up the process is.
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u/ultranothing Cynical Conservative Dec 22 '20
If the whole point of the “stimulus” is to boost the economy, then literally any activity that involves spending your check is correct.
So ultimately, it's less taxation and allowing people to keep more of their money which actually promotes a healthy economy? I'm shocked.
It's interesting, though. We get taxed out the rear and then when something bad happens, we're given more of our money to spend in order to "save" ourselves.
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u/TheAzureMage Dec 22 '20
Essentially, yes.
The stimulus part, anyways. The downsides are the future debt, which requires either government become more responsible with spending(hah!) to compensate, or we suffer a corresponding drag later.
Lowered taxation is great for the economy, but Gov can still find a way to screw it up.
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u/StarMagus Dec 22 '20
Exactly. As much as people hate the poor, they spend almost all of the money they get on activities which directly stimulate the economy.
I make enough that if you give me 1,200 or 600, I have to decide if I want to spend it on random shit, like a new TV, Clothes I really don't need, and the like. OR, and this is the important part, I can just stuff it into my savings in which case it doesn't do a thing for the economy now.
Somebody who is barely getting by or even not making it, they are going to spend every last cent of it in the short term.
If you want to stimulate the economy in a crisis, they are a much better bet.
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u/All_names_taken-fuck Dec 22 '20
OR you could donate to a local charity or feed bank.
The line of cars for a local church food bank near my house was four blocks long last week.
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u/StarMagus Dec 22 '20
I could, but I'm not going to.
Which is why giving the money to poor people who have to spend the money in order to survive is a better use of a stimulus.
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Dec 22 '20
Don’t feel bad. I’m going to buy a couple ounces of premium weed.
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u/campingkayak Federalist Dec 22 '20
Make your money go further, grow your own plants!
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u/OutlierForLife Don't Tread on Me Dec 22 '20
Throw that money in corporate cannabis and it'll go even further 😏
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u/campingkayak Federalist Dec 22 '20
Be careful, those stocks are very unreliable, maybe a marijuana mutual fund.
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Dec 22 '20
Hell yeah. I’m going to buy some plants then. Good call
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u/psychic_flatulence Gen Z Conservative Dec 22 '20
I grew one this year. Way easier than I ever could have imagined. Kept thinking some big issue would come up and it would die but it just kept on trucking. You'd have to grow indoors this time of year unless you're in like Florida. I barely smoke and now have a giant glass jar in the pantry for friends or whenever I feel the urge haha. So much cheaper than buying it.
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Dec 22 '20
I’m in good ol california. I’ve never grown it before but have always been curious and what better of a time now that I’m getting a FAT check
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u/psychic_flatulence Gen Z Conservative Dec 22 '20
I'm in CA too. With that $600 it would be just about enough to get a grow tent, some led grow lights, containers, and nutrients. Those indoor setups look insane, you'd get way better quality than outdoor. It's a fun hobby for sure, nothing like finally seeing the bud growing then watching it just shine in kief. Haha have fun man!
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Dec 22 '20
fwiw if you qualify for a stimulus check and haven't received one, you will receive or have it credited for your 2020 tax returns.
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u/punchme_in_the_HEART Dec 22 '20
I’m a local mechanic, you can stimulate me :)
p.s. not actually a mechanic, just wanted to make that joke
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u/Wundei Dec 22 '20
You can buy casings, powder, and jacketed bullets now....but unless things change regarding primers, your gonna see people slinging 10 packs at the range like a crack dealer.
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u/pulchritudinousss Dec 22 '20
I love that this is a true bipartisan message!
The stimulus bill is the equivalent to q let them eat cake kind of moment
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u/Little-Reality2459 Dec 22 '20
If the US government was a charity it would get a low score for actually helping those they say they take money to help. How much tax revenue gets to poor people and how efficiently and effectively is it spent?
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u/Argercy Constitutional Dec 22 '20 edited Dec 22 '20
If our money actually went to our own poor people in the form of life improvement grants (home grants, trade school grants, things that actually give people a foot up) I wouldn’t care so much about our taxes. I would rather a low income kid get a certification in HVAC and a home ownership grant than our money going to Israel to blow up more Palestinians for the next eternity.
To the user who responded to me accusing me of sounding like a progressive- I would much rather see our money invest into our own population than see it go to blow people up in the Middle East where we have no business being anyway. If the government is going to steal my money from my paycheck then I want to see it go to our own people. They shouldn’t be taxing us the way they do to begin with. If they cut taxes down to us paying for our roads and infrastructure only and the military AS NEEDED instead of 24/7 bullshit in countries that we have no reason to be in, we would be able to afford better life for our kids, have a better quality of life for everyone because there would be more money in our economy. But that is not to be, because the government spends our money like children playing monopoly, and if i have to pay taxes then I want to see that money go to my own country’s citizens.
And for the religious huffers here about the bitch about boot straps, Jesus said to help the poor, and that the rich should give to the poor, and if a man should deny his brother in his time of need, he is going to hell. Y’all are going to hell.
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u/Argercy Constitutional Dec 22 '20
The religious right thinks it’s the duty of Americans to protect Israel, because “chosen people” or whatever. The result has been decades of war where all we are doing is dumping money into nation that gives us no return, and the only benefit is “the Jews are in their homeland”. If Israel had no religious significance, no one would give a shit. Religion doesn’t belong in politics.
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u/Argercy Constitutional Dec 23 '20
Religion is just another money making machine in this country and people are stupid enough to fall for it.
PSA- every single person of a particular religion thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong. This is why religion was never to be integrated into our constitution, because everyone is free to believe as they choose and everyone is free to NOT believe as they choose without punishment. This is not a Christian nation, it’s a nation of free will, and voting for crooks playing on religious sympathies is the height of stupidity. They cannot enforce your religious ethics because that oppresses someone else. They will tell you they will, but they won’t, since the constitution forbids them.
And now we got Joel “Snake Oil” Osteen eating the fat of our tax dollars, while people are throwing money at him in his 14 million dollar mansion because he tells them God will bless them if they tithe. What a crock of horse shit. That man is going to burn in his hell.
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Dec 22 '20
Our tax money isn't for redistribution to poor people. It isn't for funding foreign powers or paying off special interests either. Our entire system is fucked and everyone that votes for bills like this is derelict in their duty at best and a traitor at worst.
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Dec 22 '20
Meh, I don't think I'm even going to get any of it. And I don't need it; I'm one the folks who can work from home with no issues.
How about we give out a small business relief package instead of $700m to Sudan, $1b to the Smithsonian, and so forth? A lot of the small businesses in my area (and others) are struggling hard right now. My local restaurants and barbershops deserve that money a lot more than Egypt deserves $1.3b of our money.
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u/Mrevilman Dec 22 '20
Tried that already with PPP and Joel fucking Osteen got 4 million. It’s only as good as the person/people responsible for overseeing it, which, if you’re keeping track - was fired.
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Dec 22 '20
Well you guys just found common ground with liberal minded people. It seems everyone is pissed off that they took advantage of the PPP loans
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u/CardsFan69420 Dec 22 '20
I wish both sides could put the cultural/identity war to the side and concentrate on getting our fair fucking shake at wealth growth. We are all constantly getting fucked by corporations and in turn their political lackeys, but theyve got us all pitted against eachother. Lets get the income gap field level, then we can duke it out over the country’s cultural direction. This coming from a liberal who thinks both sides have way more in common than the powers that be want us to believe.
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Dec 22 '20
Yeah Joel Osteen got 4 million, and our president and his son in law each got a few million.
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u/blueranger36 Dec 22 '20
I’m all for small businesses. I would love to see them being given aid while amazon and Walmart get nothing. Also small businesses pay more in taxes than big business. Big flaws.
As to why we fund other countries has to do with national defense. It’s in our best interest to fund countries that are weaker to prevent them from being taken over by terrorist organizations or countries like China or Russia.
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u/Z0MBI3-J3SUS Dec 22 '20
Who do we vote for then? As someone whose not a conservative but dislikes both sides politicians Im really confused on how we fix this issues. Everyone I talk to wants the same thing to go back to work, affordable health care, affordable housing, a decent paying job and to get a return on their investment of money through the taxes they pay to the government in times of need, but it seems like all the GOP wants is to fight amongst its self with the election unless it includes giving the rich tax breaks, and the Dems don’t want to stand for Fuck all and will buckle to literally anything just for the sake of barley clinging to office after pointing out issues and then having no legitimate solutions.
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Dec 22 '20
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u/Z0MBI3-J3SUS Dec 22 '20
You’d laugh on how much debt our federal reserve owns while also printing endless money. We care a little too much about bathrooms and yelling over only a handful of those killed by police when it’s convenient to us and no other reason. I have a lot of respect for the fact of those that can see past the bullshit system, and refusing to associate with our garbage parties. I don’t consider my self in any party because I like certain ideas from all over the place that more or less boil down to just common sense things that should be in place but take a mountain to move to get even close to. We really need to come together as a working class of individuals independent of party and stupid shit like identity politics and realize no matter who you are we are stuck in this mess together and we need to fix it together, let’s let states rights be states rights and realize the FED gov does almost no good at this point.
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u/DanGleeballs Dec 22 '20
And Israel - $3.8 billion in foreign aid from the US. Cut them off.
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u/urmoms_ahoe Conservative Dec 22 '20
I have a better idea. The government should just fuck off and let people live their lives and have an actual economy.
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Dec 22 '20
That didn’t work well in any recession now did it? One of the solutions is increasing government expenditure to stimulate the economy
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u/Rabdom1235 Conservative Dec 22 '20
Except just like in the recession the government is doing jack shit for the people and using mislabeled bills as a massive handout to their friends in the neo-aristocracy. We would literally be better off if they just fucked off and let people who want to risk an open economy risk it than we are with just another massive debt-dump that includes peanuts for the citizenry and huge handouts for the wealthy and connected (both domestic and foreign).
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u/namesrhardtothinkof Candace Owens Dec 22 '20
Honestly I don’t think bailing out the big 3 and then saying “the recession is over guys, just look at how much money we spent” worked very well.
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Dec 22 '20
Not at all, I’m all for giving to the people. But if the government did nothing it’d take years to recover from this
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u/Mr_Bunnies Dec 22 '20
You're not wrong but you're leaving out that every recession in the past ~100 years or so has been caused by the government in the first place.
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u/AnotherExLib Conservative Dec 23 '20
Then the answer is certainly to have more government involvement to fix the problems they've created. Then a little later we'll need a bit more government involvement to fix the fix for the government involvement. How else are politicians supposed to get rich off the taxpayers if they're not constantly fixing something they screwed up?
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u/jakokku Dec 22 '20
and they should fuck off and not bail out big corporations and billionaires then
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u/SometimesSpendsKarma Lockdowns are Fascist Dec 22 '20
Open up the economy and quit giving us table scraps.
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u/DanTheMan827 Dec 22 '20
Or just don’t give table scraps... $600 is a joke for someone who is out of a job and has bills to pay
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Dec 22 '20
That’s in the package. $284B to small businesses. https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948744901/here-is-whats-in-congress-covid-19-relief-package
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u/FunkMoose420 Dec 22 '20
I may be unable to pay rent this month but at least I’ll be homeless and have a PS5
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u/Little-Reality2459 Dec 22 '20 edited Dec 22 '20
Technically, with the $75,000 income cap, not much of this was money the population receiving these checks paid in federal income taxes. It’s a wealth transfer from those who make more and pay more income tax.
That said, we are in ridiculous debt, so this is all imaginary money like the line of credit you have with your credit card company represents money you can spend but not necessarily money you have.
Regardless, I would rather have the government give $6,000 each to my fellow Americans in need than provide aid to foreign countries and whatever other pork barrel spending.
Edit for clarity: $6,000 is not an official number. $6,000 was a number I generated out of based on the fact that (i) it is 10x the measly aid of $600 and (ii) if you take $900 billion - the entire bill - and divide by the number of tax filers (as a proxy for adults who make discretionary spending decisions) roughly 150 million you get $6,000.
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u/spind44 Dec 22 '20
I agree with you on the last part I would rather help a fellow American over some other Country.
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Dec 22 '20
But "AMERICA FIRST" is so racist. Just ask any Democrat.
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u/NotSoCoolWhip Dec 22 '20
I don't think helping Americans first is racist, I think we are in agreement there
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u/Fenderbridge Dec 22 '20
Left leaning ind here. Ill tell you that sending 1.3 billion dollars to other countries like Pakistan and Egypt is great and all, but when we are unable to feed and house our own people? For real though? 100%, give stim to those that need it.
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u/psychic_flatulence Gen Z Conservative Dec 22 '20
Yep, the fact they're only giving $600 to lower income families is fucking insulting. It's been like 9 months since the last stimulus and now they do $600 more, that's part of rent for the month, excellent. Now just 8 months behind with no hope of things returning to normal.. Glad all our politicians haven't lost a dime though.
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u/electricskywalker Dec 22 '20
They are making more money then ever with insider trading!
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u/SPDScricketballsinc Dec 22 '20
Democrats and liberals have an issue with parts of the "America First" movement/ideology but helping Americans over other countries is definetly not a common issue to have
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u/adunk9 Dec 22 '20
Because "America First" is usually followed by a statement that means "white corporate America First". Help the poor. Give money to people who will spend it. This whole country is becoming the working poor if you make less than 100k/year or don't live somewhere you can easily grow/hunt your own food and live off grid.
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Dec 22 '20
“But using tax dollars to help struggling Americans is socialism” just ask any conservative.
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u/Jadccroad Dec 22 '20
Yeah, aren't they supposed to be pulling themselves up by their bootstraps or something? The party of personal responsibility complaining that the reps they elected didn't give a big enough handout is just mind blowing.
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Dec 22 '20
“I don’t get anything for my tax dollars so I don’t want the government doing anything with anyone’s tax dollars except giving it to corporations”
You are going to be forced to pay taxes your entire life. Sadly conservative voters have been tricked into asking for anything back from their tax dollars. They would rather every cent go to billionaires than to healthcare, social services, police etc.
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u/Little-Reality2459 Dec 22 '20
I am looking at the 2020 tax table if taxable income and just ran a gross income of $40,000 single, no dependents, with nothing more than standard deduction and it’s $3,114 for income tax.
It would be foolish not to put money aside $3000 in a traditional IRA because that would cut your federal tax in half. You may be able to find other deductions as well.
At $40,000 you also have to pay Federal payroll tax (which is not income tax) at 1.45% for Medicare and 6.2% for Social Security about $3000.
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Dec 22 '20
You are contributing too much tax then and it will be refunded to you. You can do a tax calculator to determine how much you should be contributing. Off the top of my head I am guessing closer to $3000. Did you fill out your W-4 incorrectly? You should have e 1 deduction if you have no dependents and are unmarried.
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Dec 22 '20
I made 62k this year and my wife barely earns anything and we have easily cleared $4,000 in just federal income tax this year. So I think this guys thinking is flawed. Added to that I contribute to my 401(k) and IRA’s my net income is 30 something thousand and I still get taxed that much. OP may think people less well off don’t pay tax but we do.
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u/rhino090 Dec 22 '20
Yep, time to start worrying about the debt again now that there is a democrat in the white house.
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u/ryry117 Trump Conservative Dec 22 '20 edited Dec 22 '20
Regardless, I would rather have the government give $6,000 each to my fellow Americans in need than provide aid to foreign countries and whatever other pork barrel spending.
Well boy oh boy do I have news for you. Did you know the stimulus package includes 500 million dollars to Israel? I'm sure some other worthless countries are in there too, but yeah for some reason a US stimulus bill includes foreign aid.
edit: million, not billion. Still 500 million too much.
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u/Wesker405 Dec 22 '20
Because it's not a stimulus bill. They tacked stimulus onto a 5000 page omnibus because who can so no to helping americans pay their bills during a pandemic?
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Dec 22 '20
It's 500 million. If it was 500 billion it would be 55% of the entire package.
But, aside from correcting you on the fact of the matter, I will say that the 500 million should actually just be 0.
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u/Little-Reality2459 Dec 22 '20
Oh, I am aware, sadly, of the gender studies funding to Pakistan included in this bill.
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u/TheAzureMage Dec 22 '20
It has a TON of stuff packed into it. Corporate favors. Changes to the criminal code.
Think of the stimulus as a bribe to the American people to let them get away with shenanigans, and you won't be far off.
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u/Branamp13 Dec 22 '20
Am I missing something? I know people who make >$20k a year and they still pay at least $600 in federal taxes. Federal tax calculator said $18,400/year is taxed at exactly $600/year (federal). Full time minimum wage is $15,600/year, so theoretically there would only be a range of $2800 between the absolute lowest earners and those who pay at least $600 in taxes.
So how exactly is this a wealth transfer from those who make more to those who make less? Isn't it just their own money being given back as a tax credit of sorts?
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u/Little-Reality2459 Dec 22 '20 edited Dec 22 '20
Perhaps you are. Everyone is entitled to take the standard deduction which offsets the taxes owed in the tax tables. The Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of Americans who paid no federal individual income taxes; it was 44 percent in 2018.
Yes, that means of all the tax returns filed, there were 44% of people who paid $0 in federal income tax. They paid sales tax, perhaps state income tax, perhaps property tax, etc. but they did not pay any federal income tax.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-increasing-share-households-paying-no-federal-income-tax
Edit: perhaps your friends pay Federal payroll taxes like social security (OASDI) and Medicare but that is different than income tax.
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Dec 22 '20
Who do you think generates that wealth besides the people that love and work in this country? Just because a company makes profits doesn’t mean their employees didn’t generate that wealth no matter how little the lowest employee is paid. Just because a company makes a profit doesn’t mean their workers can love off the wages that employer pays them, which is why you can work full time at Amazon and Walmart and still be on welfare... corporations are not pulling their weight. Also the corporate tax rate when America was booming was between 70 and 90 percent in some cases. We have a government of the people and part of their duty is to protect us from all threats that includes viral threats which Donald Trumps administration completely failed at handling in a way that would have had a much lower economic impact than what it will be now that his mess also has to be cleaned up and people are about to be starting and homeless because he couldn’t stop himself from using a disaster to benefit himself i.e. grift the public.
Your argument that Pepe that pay lower taxes shouldn’t receive any help is disgusting and immoral. Why do we even have a society at all? Is here just rosette the ultra rich because they have convinced you you too will one day be a billionaire but in the meantime you must be made to suffer to prove your worthiness or something like that. No the ultra rich in this country and the corrupt politicians, especially those surrounding trump, are not interested in you or helping you. There are however more altruistic people that actually do operate in our government and actually believe that the people of this country are important and without them you don’t have rich people at all. You may for a little bit. But that’s not how it works. We the actual workers work and we generate wealth not CEO’s, Investors, share holders etc. They aren’t the ones actually working but they will take the profits and pay themselves on the back for your hard work. We pay into the common wealth so they when hard times come we can weather the storm.
We may just have to not buy as many multimillion dollar bombshell this year that will wind up in some farmers field blowing up a decoy building so the locals can sell the scrap metal. Because shit like that actually happens while you and others like you parrot the talking points of conservative talk radio hosts who are the mouthpiece of the conservative rich. They are the talking heads of a group of people that know you are so gullible and so brainwashed into their version of America that you won’t even know when they are totally fucking you and the rest of the country like they are now.
Wake up. The country doesn’t exist without workers like you and me. The economy based on us buying things doesn’t exists if we don’t have money to buy anything. Something bad is come off and you can tell because everyone is making a money grab and most of those folks are Republicans in office siphoning tax payer wealth to their own coffers. Lives of shit like Joel Osteen for example. I’m sure that guy donates to the RNC and Trump.
We need to give this money to our people. We are the wealthiest nation in the world and we literally have parts of this country that ar Ellie a third world nation because fucks like you are too stupid to accept that we are all in this together and we are stronger if we help each other and take care of ourselves as a nation. But you’d rather eat the scraps from your corporate overlords and mimic their mantras about working hard. Well it’s bullshit. That may have been true 40 years ago but it isn’t now. I know plenty of hard working people that aren’t doing well and their circumstances are all different.
You want to make it out like no one deserves help. I suggest you do some soul searching and ask them if you care about this country at all who “deserves” help? Can you not see that helping the lowest among us helps the greatest? If we raise the bottom floor we will certainly raise the top but if we destroy the foundation of this country which is the people the workers then we will all lose. You need to open your eyes and immediately stop being so short sighted. There are no rich people that exist without them exploiting some other person either directly or indirectly. Money doesn’t make itself. Money doesn’t generate itself. If investors and shareholders make money it’s because someone did the actual work not them. The taxes from these endeavors are there to pay for things exactly like this. So ridiculous how so many people are ready to eat themselves alive like you
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Dec 22 '20 edited Dec 23 '20
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u/p5ych0metrix Dec 22 '20
Much worse than a tax - the inflation tax from the monetized debt/money printing of the fed.
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u/daishi777 Dec 22 '20
To be fair, with my future kids money.
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u/Suwannee_Gator Dec 22 '20
I’ve seen a few comments saying this, can someone explain?
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Dec 22 '20
The debt has to be paid at some point. Our kid’s generation will be in a lot of debt and they will have to pay more taxes in order to pay the debt and keep government spending afloat. Borrowing from future.
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u/11-Eleven-11 Conservative Dec 22 '20
Printing money is just stealing money from the future.
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u/Suwannee_Gator Dec 22 '20
Oh god, are they just printing the stimulus money???
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u/BeardMan66 Dec 22 '20
The US ran a 3 trillion (yeah with a ‘t’) deficit in 2020 alone.
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u/LukariBRo Dec 22 '20
That's just a drop in the bucket, except 2020 is arguably the year when it, and likely more, was actually necessary. There was so much unnecessary skyrocketing of the deficit over the past few years that it just makes us having to increase it even further much worse. It's like someone who was maxing out their credit card to live above their means loses their job and then no longer has a line of credit available to them and a massive reduction in income. We're quite fucked if we keep this up, but it's barely because of this year alone.
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u/Leading-Bowl-8416 Dec 22 '20
Like 30% of US dollars in circulation were printed this year... so yeah.
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u/dtrt20 Dec 22 '20
Hope the Bill is vetoed. Most Americans see it as the insult it is.
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Dec 22 '20
I look forward to the day that folks can disagree on wedge issues in good faith and cooperate on the core issues that unite them economically.
The ruling elite in this country have made a habit for over 200 years now of dividing the populace with corrosive myths of, 'the other' while picking their pockets and leaving them to fight among themselves.
It is grotesque.
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Dec 22 '20
Every sane person who works knows this is a bunch of a bs. Just don't collect your 25% from my paycheck the next 3 months. I'd be far more happy.
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u/Background_Camel12 Dec 22 '20
Is it ironic to anyone else that this keeps getting posted on r/ conservative, yet the conservatives in office are the ones who held up the stimulus package
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u/JESquirrel Dec 22 '20
My father is a lot more conservative than I am. He is 100% against the stimulus checks. I told him I don't like throwing money around either but this is a situation where we our getting our own money back in a time of crisis. Even if the crisis is partly made by politicians. I am okay with this.
Now the other BS I am hearing about money going towards shit that has nothing to with Coronavirus is another story.
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u/rugerjp88 Dec 22 '20
We've already spent our own money. We're just borrowing more.
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u/Leading-Bowl-8416 Dec 22 '20
Yeah, from people who aren't even born yet probably. Real forward thinking.
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u/JESquirrel Dec 22 '20
I'd rather we not have a million different things in every bill. Every bill has something stupid being snuck in.
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u/bloodyfcknhell Dec 22 '20
The amount of money you're getting back will be worth nothing relative to the amount of money being spent elsewhere after inflation.
I'm with you, but I'd rather see businesses allowed to open. Money without work or production eventually becomes worthless. If you didn't get a raise this year, you just took an inflation pay cut.
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u/MaxMalini Dec 22 '20
Americans excitedly anticipate getting paid being grossly insulted with their own money.
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u/onebigdude330 Dec 22 '20
How much money was written into the bill for payment to the house of reps? It was something like $125 million. It's a trillion dollar stimulus. What % of that is actually earmarked for the $600?
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u/jotnar0910 Libertarian Conservative. Dec 22 '20
Well 330m times 600 is 198b so less than 20%
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u/onebigdude330 Dec 22 '20
But there isn't money going to 330m people. It's only going to people making less than $75k a year. So are we talking about this going to 80m Americans? $100m? It should be illegal to pass a bill where at least 51% of the funds aren't directed to the main cause
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u/SometimesSpendsKarma Lockdowns are Fascist Dec 22 '20
I agree with your general sentiment, but damn dude, you think that a significant majority of Americans make > $75,000/yr.?
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Dec 22 '20
We'll, only 209 million are over 18, so that cuts a chunk out that are (probably) not making more than 75k. I believe the median household income is around $68,000 so you're looking at a majority of the US population under 75k.
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u/TheBlindDuck Dec 22 '20
From my understanding, parents still get $600 for each child, with no cap for household size. The only people exempt are adult dependents, aka most college students.
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u/examm Dec 22 '20
Which blows my mind that they don’t also get the $600.
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Dec 22 '20
The thought is that their parents are taking care of them... which is utter bullshit. My wife was moved out for years, and working at a kmart when she applied for college. Because she wasn't married yet and was still "young" they insisted on asking about her parents almost six figures income, and using that as a basis for financial aid.
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Dec 22 '20
Just read up on it. Unsure of what's allowed to be linked here, but from some googling, roughly 160 million got it last round, and roughly 158 million should get it this round, because the qualifications are a bit different, excluding some people this time around. The main people excluded from receiving a payment are the wealthy, “nonresident aliens” and “adult dependents” who can be claimed on someone else’s tax return
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u/Leading-Bowl-8416 Dec 22 '20
Wait... so people with greencards get stimulus, but adult citizens who have their parents put them as dependent don't? Or am I misinterpreting that? If so, that's whack.
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u/theBallonknots Dec 22 '20
This was one of the biggest heists in history. Not to mention the fact our government is run terribly. No bill should have pork from everyone else in it just to get sponsored enough to garner votes.
Your money was forcibly taken from you under threat of jail, and given away to places like Pakistan for “gender activities” and to theatres so people like Pelosi can watch her musicals.
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u/Little-Reality2459 Dec 22 '20
The waste in government spending is one reason why billionaires form their own foundations instead of just writing a check to the US Treausry (which, BTW, anyone can do if they think they are not paying their fair share of taxes).
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u/hughesjo Dec 22 '20
that and they get to control where their money goes which giving to the Government doesn't do
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u/hughesjo Dec 22 '20
Your money was forcibly taken from you under threat of jail,
your talking about taxes.
If you want to lower taxes just stop spending in the military. You don't need that many tanks. They are literally sitting in the middle of Nevada not being used and not going to be used.
Stop spending on that and taxes might get lowered.
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u/empurrfekt Dec 22 '20
I get this is the Bee, but are people actually excited? It seems like people either didn’t need it and are indifferent or do need it and are pissed off it’s not more.
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u/JohnnyFKL Dec 22 '20
No, rest assured they are not excited. Receiving it or not, everyone knows this shit is peanuts.
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u/the_taco_baron Independent conservative Dec 22 '20
Only a minority of the 900 billion stimulus goes to the lower and middle classes yet we're the ones that pay all the taxes. I'm tired of bailouts and socialism for the rich.
This isn't what conservatism is supposed to be. We need the Republican party to be better.
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Dec 22 '20
35% of all dollars ever were printed in the last 10 months. The U.S dollar is currently being debased into nothing. It wont be worth the paper it is printed on this time next year.
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u/savory_donut Dec 22 '20
As long as other countries are printing money and giving it away as fast as us the value of the dollar holds. Europe just approved a 2.2 trillion package earlier this month.
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u/niftyifty Dec 22 '20
The math is right. The sentiment is dumb.
It wont be worth the paper it is printed on this time next year.
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u/troutmaster69 Dec 22 '20
I’m so happy for Pakistan receiving 10 million to figure out who’s male and who’s female in their country. When they figure it out maybe they will let us know so we can solve that mystery here.
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u/yankee77wi Conservative Dec 22 '20
Poor fiscal policies are the death of democracies, will always follow this cycle: 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage
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Dec 22 '20
Sounds to me like we're on step 6/7. My bet is its China who will have us in bondage if we don't make a change.
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u/brcn3 Dec 22 '20
Everyone is so excited over this, but I think it’s so stupid. Why can’t we all just be allowed back to work and keep the money we earn instead?
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u/angelfurious Dec 22 '20
Because people cant even be trusted to wash their hands, so cases would spike, we would have thousands more die, hospitals full with hundreds waiting for beds, and hundreds at home left to die in each city and state. Then when everyone is either sick or afraid to leave their home. Who will be going to places to spend or make money with their or their loved ones lives at stake?
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u/robby_synclair Dec 22 '20
Yea last year my stimulus check paid what I owed on my federal income tax. This year the government is gonna right me a check for $600 and send me a bill for 3k. I make about $47k a year.
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u/MichelleObama2024 Dec 22 '20
Well technically it's not. I'm sure you know but the US is in massive debt. This stimulus is funded entirely through new debt.
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u/polkm Dec 22 '20
We have to raise taxes or make cuts, neither of which are going to be popular, especially with a new president. Trump has to be at least partially happy to not have to deal with this mess.
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Dec 22 '20
I’m not sure anyone is happy about this... $600 ain’t shit if you even get it. I say this as a bleeding heart liberal.
Fuck the GOP and the DNC, fuck the executive branch. Fuck the judicial branch. Fuck ‘em all.
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u/alienvalentine Classical Liberal Dec 22 '20
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
-Alexis de Tocqueville (attrib.)
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u/mathdrug Black Conservative Dec 22 '20
Imagine not being able to pay your rent or being evicted after you lost your job, and hoping for some form of relief from the government whose incompetence made you lose your job...
And then the government gives you $600, but gives $10,000,000 to Pakistan for "gender programs."
The American people got finessed so hard this year. These mofos need to be fired.
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