r/Eugene Sep 24 '24

Breakfast brigade trying to resume feeding homeless at Washington Jefferson Street Park. News

https://kval.com/news/local/breakfast-brigade-volunteers-eugene-city-council-permit-feeding

Breakfast Brigade, a homeless outreach group, is asking the City council tonight to restore its special use permit which allowed them to serve meals at Washington Jefferson Park four days a week. What say you?

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u/Fantastic_Gene1023 Sep 24 '24

I’ve seen some of the homeless people who get burritos from them litter the garbage and then just hang out at the park all day and leave a mess. Seems like a idea with good intentions but maybe the park isn’t the place to do it since it makes the park hard to use and messy

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u/PVT_Huds0n Sep 24 '24

Also since we just spent millions of dollars cleaning it up.

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u/daeglo Sep 24 '24

Part of Breakfast Brigade's responsibility should be to either reduce the amount of trash they create during these free breakfasts, or make sure all the trash that is going to be created goes back with them afterward. They have volunteers who can surely go around with garbage bags and ask if people need to toss their wrappers or whatever. It's not rocket surgery.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

The city has ignored requests for more trash cans, so bb does ship out their trash every time. They take responsibility. Great idea with the bags... people already do that.

If it isn't enough for you, you should volunteer and help clean until it is. Because people need to eat whether it there is litter or not, and unless youre involved and helping your complaint is feeding a pattern of abuse that starts with the city listening to nimbys like you, pulling permits and ends with people going without food and getting more desperate in an already desperate time.

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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 25 '24

If they get a free meal, the least they can do is pick up after themselves. I mean, is this really a controversial idea? It’s an extremely simple concept.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

I agree that garbage should be cleaned. People are cleaning it. DO YOU agree that people should have an option to eat every day even if there is trash after?

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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 25 '24

If they clean up after themselves, yes. If not, no, not in a public space meant to be used by all citizens of Eugene. They can rent out a space indoors somewhere and have those who are hungry go to them. If you’re hungry, I’d assume you’d be willing to seek out such services, right? That way it’s contained and much more manageable trash wise, with a dumpster that is provided by bb. Something to that end. The idea of soup kitchens are not a new thing. I’m sure there’s a church, or something, that would be willing to lend a hand.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

The, "There must be another solution out there" is f'ing rampant in this city. Geez louise!

This is a working solution. There are others in town but they are limited and this is the catch that keeps people fed.

Youre wrong, is all i have to say. People having food is more important than there being no litter, that should be absolutely obvious, period.

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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24

It’s not a working solution, though, obviously, or else there wouldn’t be so many people who live here, work here, and pay taxes here, who have an issue with it’s current implementation.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

Its a working solution as in people who have nothing are able to eat every day because of it... even when people in a good tax paying bracket complain to remove the permits so that they cant.

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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24

I do think that people deserve to eat, regardless of circumstance. And I wish my tax dollars went to paying for something more feasible, and less to the bloated budget of the EPD. But it’s not up to me in the end, I have no influence in the matter, except for voting in a manner that I feel would help the issue. Which I try to do. But a free for all in the park ain’t it. That’s not what that space is for. The community really shouldn’t have to step up in this regard. There should be a designated, indoor space, paid for by the city and/or state for such things. Because god knows they take enough of our money. It shouldn’t be a community issue, it should be a social contract issue. What it boils down to is I have an obligation to provide for and take care of my family. It’s what’s in my complete control. The government should provide for those who can’t or are unable to for themselves for whatever reason that the social contract accepts as legitimate.

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u/HurryImaginary2132 Sep 25 '24

Dollar tree has pistol grip reacher sticks ....if no funds available...SF homeless can do take over strong arm possession of them

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u/daeglo Sep 25 '24

It took me reading your comment three times to realize you chose the meanest, shittiest and most nonsensical way to say "people should be picking up their own trash"

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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 24 '24

Lmao rocket surgery. You’re right, the removal of trash has nothing to do with rocket surgery. Rocket surgeons are literally the biggest litterbugs of all. There’s a blanket of space junk around the planet. Maybe we should ban them from doing space shit.

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u/AlmondDavis Sep 25 '24

Is this sarcasm or is this sincere?

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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 27 '24

A little of both

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u/uhgletmepost Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24

What does that gotta do with it?

I've seen parents birthday parties litter with their kids and not pick up afterthemselves

Would we promote banning kids from parks? No (well reddit would it has that sorta brainrot)

One weekly event does not make a trash filled park, if anything the park is kinda the point of these sorta spaces

Edit: just realized this isn't the burrito brigade which is weekly, this is a daily breakfest group..

Hmm... maybe doing it in rotating park locations might be better 🤔

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u/Fantastic_Gene1023 Sep 24 '24

Well these people aren’t kids at all birthday party, a lot of them have mental health issues and drug addictions they make it dangerous to walk through the park. It would be better to give the burritos out near the mission or a safer place.

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u/uhgletmepost Sep 24 '24

Until you complain about that and make them move to some other location

Folks who think like you have give a mouse a cookie syndrome

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u/Zaliukas-Gungnir Sep 25 '24

Did they spend a million dollars to clean up some toddlers birthday party recently? I must of missed that. Were there rapes and assaults to go with that kids birthday party. If I remember right, that is what it took to finally chase the people who turned Washington-Jefferson Park into an environment hazard out. The spend a million dollars and close it for a year to finally get it cleaned up last time.

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u/uhgletmepost Sep 25 '24

Are you talking about during the covid lockdowns when they made it into a mandatory camp?

It is totally on the city for not maintaining Law and Order and cleanliness, on a space they owned and provided.

This is also on the cops who were down a work stoppage during the time (and still are tbh) because they only got a budget increase of 13 percent instead of the 20 they wanted and cried because they didn't get to buy their fancy lil decommosioned tank. The thin skinned lil bitches.

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u/Zaliukas-Gungnir Sep 25 '24

No, it was back during that Occupy movement when they took over the park. Then everyone and their rapist and assaulting brother and sister came down and created an environmental hazard that took over a million dollars to clean up. They had dump trucks taking and bring soil to that section of the park on the South side of it all. That area between 5th and 6th was closed for about a year.

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u/uhgletmepost Sep 25 '24

so you are comparing a political protest to a breakfast feeding group?

like really?

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u/Zaliukas-Gungnir Sep 25 '24

If they cause damage to the community, yes. Damage to the community is damage to the community. Just like rape is rape and murder is murder and theft is theft. Call it what it is. It shouldn’t matter if it is political, religious or something else.

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u/uhgletmepost Sep 25 '24

I regret wasting my brain cells engaging with you

I have precious few of them left and somehow you have even fewer than myself.

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u/blowholesushi Sep 25 '24

Murder is only murder if you don't do it slowly and overtime so everyone thinks it's just natural causes. Stop the gangstalking!

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u/HurryImaginary2132 Sep 25 '24

Slow kill weapons or death by 1000 paper cuts ( that's what i call that) Studies have shown stressors do cause immunity weakening allowing all sorts of possibilities to occur that seem like " natural causes" .. Murder does double life insurance pay outs ,although ! As long you get the conviction. Smoking does saves lives you see ..in some cases..

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u/blowholesushi Sep 25 '24

Yeah exactly and people are just going along with it. Must be getting paid well to continue doing it. How does murder double life insurance policies? Please explain? Smoking saves lives because the life insurance policy isn't worth as much?

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u/m3937 Sep 25 '24

Mantaining Law and Order through Eugene Parks and Open Spaces is ridiculous, Parks and Open Spaces is responsible for cleaning the restrooms and maintaining the landscape and plant life through property tax dollars.

They are not responsible for cleaning up heroine needles, picking up garage outside of the garbage can, nor hosing down restrooms of feces and period blood.

But that’s what they’re having to do.

The City owns it, but property tax owners pay for it. We also pay for the police force.

No one seems to understand historical and demographic perspective, and how most of the people in Eugene aren’t actual property owners.

It doesn’t help that SF is shipping their homeless to Oregon with bus tickets.

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u/Dear-Chemical-3191 Sep 25 '24

Yeah you’re right, Homeless do act like little children now that you said it.

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u/Omega_Lynx Sep 25 '24

Thank you!

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u/sirquail21 Sep 25 '24

This state is so fucked when it’s constituents compare a 5 year old’s birthday party in the park to a group of disgruntled homeless. Wake the fuck up

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u/Musiclover4200 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24

The park next door has a table families often eat at and pretty much every time I walk by there's food/trash around it from messy kids or parents who just don't give AF. Last time there was french fries all over along with some fast food trash. There's also a trash can very close but it doesn't seem to help.

Seems like there has to be some simple solution aside from "don't use the parks", and yes it's definitely not just homeless folks who litter in parks.

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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 24 '24

Maybe they should ban McDonald’s then? /s

Or I dunno. Maybe just a blanket ban on throwing trash on the ground that applies to everyone 🤯

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u/uhgletmepost Sep 24 '24

It is called littering that is already a thing just hardly enforced when Cops are busying wanking off at proud boy rallies

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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 24 '24

That was kinda my point. Lmao! You think they take turns licking each other’s boots, or do you think it’s more of a 69 type bootlicking situation? Lol

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u/Moarbrains Sep 24 '24

would you like cops to hang out at the park giving people luttering tickets?

I mean that might work on the types who pay tickets.

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u/uhgletmepost Sep 24 '24

They said make it illegal, I'm telling them it already is lol

I could see a "leave our parks how you found them" sorta buzz weeks but I would not want meter maid type of position focused on such things, but I could see such during 4th of July type weekends.

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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 25 '24

I mean, I wish I could have the same complacency at my job that cops have at theirs. They absolutely should be ticketing people for littering. It’s illegal right? It’s up to the judge and the courts what happens after they’re ticketed. Whether they’re going to pay or not has no bearing on whether or not a police officer should do their job.

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u/Moarbrains Sep 25 '24

Talk about complacency and then talk about assigning the most useless of work. You should probably take a ride along sometime.

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u/Musiclover4200 Sep 25 '24

Or I dunno. Maybe just a blanket ban on throwing trash on the ground that applies to everyone 🤯

The point is it's not just homeless people who litter, we clearly need better enforcement of littering fines as well as calling people out when they litter. The park I'm talking about would resemble a homeless camp if not for the considerate people cleaning up after others and it has pretty much 0 homeless presence.

Also I agree with the posts that giving out food from places like churches makes the most sense but using parks once a week really shouldn't be such a problem. It shows just how extreme the housing/homeless issues have gotten.

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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 25 '24

100%. I was agreeing with you. I was literally cleaning up a huge pile of trash one time on 8th and Monroe and some douchebag in a truck drove by and threw a cup at me and told me to get a job and called me a bum. The ironic thing is that I was on my home from a ten hour shift. I just happened to already have a bunch stuff in the back of my truck that was going to the dump and thought I’d help out a little. I guess that’s only loosely related to what we are talking about here though. It’s just that there are so many straight up morons in this town.

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u/Musiclover4200 Sep 25 '24

Yeah a significant chunk of trash around town is from people who toss stuff out their windows or just can't be bothered to find a trashcan when walking around.

The homeless issue has obviously gotten a lot worse over the years but it feels like this sub has such a hate boner for them that people won't admit that a lot of the litter is from inconsiderate assholes which includes plenty of non homeless people.

Ultimately littering is a symptom of other issues and not something unique to the homeless, and it won't improve until we improve the housing situation & have better enforcement around littering.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

Misguided love hurts all

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u/px7j9jlLJ1 Sep 24 '24

Fucking rubbish

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u/anecdotalgardener Sep 24 '24

Just give them a barehand burrito (burrito with no wrapper)

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

Washington Jefferson Park is a central spot that has been a gathering place for homeless people and groups that serve them for decades because of where it is located and i doubt anything short of a police station right in the middle of the park is likely to change that. The homeless have long gathered there and I think most people from Eugene know that and wouldn't let their little kids go play there alone. I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing. I'm just saying it's the way it is and that's why a lot of outreach groups have fed or provided services at Washington Jefferson Park.

I can name two big reasons homeless people tend to congregate around Washington Jefferson park and why they will continue to. First, it's right under the freeway so it provides blocks of shelter from the rain and snow. And secondly it is a natural spot for travelers to end up because it's the most central exit in town from the interstate. (Plus it's right by The Whitaker and not too far from the trainyard.)

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u/Omega_Lynx Sep 25 '24

Maybe they would do that anyways.

I live in this neighborhood. They are always there and it’s a park, so go to another one where the unhoused don’t run the show.

I am sick of people seeing a good deed, finding the bad immediately to criticize and idly imply their solution.

People litter. No matter what class they are or have

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u/AlmondDavis Sep 25 '24

And there’s at least 7 if not 11 convenience stores with supplies nearby for people that are down and out

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u/InsuranceParticular6 Sep 24 '24

What's the trash can situation like at that park?

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u/TheOldPhantomTiger Sep 24 '24

Slim. And not serviced regularly enough anyway.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

The casually said totally aesthetic excuse to eliminate the last place where people can eat to survive is so typical eugenian nimby. This isnt a good reason to not provide desperate people with food, or any necessity.

"Its messy" is not the place where the conversation begins. Our neighbors cant afford to eat, and the city has just used complaints like this to remove this essential service.

This kind of opinion isnt relevent when people are out of options.

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u/bobsyruncle Sep 25 '24

It’s not the last place they can eat though, The Dining Room is open for lunch 4 days/week & there’s no trash heap when they’re done serving.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

Its the most reliable place for two hot meals every day. 1 meal 4 out of 7 days isnt enough to feed the growing number of people currently in eugene. Nor is that enough for anyone to live comfortably. According to people there, bb is their most reliable source of food.

Garbage can be fixed without witholding needed food from people.

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u/bobsyruncle Sep 26 '24

Honestly I drive past the park daily & I don’t see piles of trash lately so it’s not really a concern for me, but BB is only there 1 morning per week right? So that’s one breakfast in the park & 5 lunches at the dining room, that seems like a reasonable effort, but I disagree that we need to take full responsibility for all meals for anyone who shows up in Eugene forever.

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u/Fantastic_Gene1023 23d ago

Because they are on drugs or have mental illnesses and should be somewhere they could get help not the park and for sure not my house

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u/jawid72 Pisgah Poster Sep 24 '24

You must understand the "Sacred Ones" are not held to human standards and are allowed to do as they wish.

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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 24 '24

A plea to the people of r/eugene for understanding, from one of the most consistently moronic commenters 🤣

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u/TheMaskedTerror9 Sep 24 '24

This type of organization can't afford to own or rent property so public space is the only space available. How does a person eating a burrito make the park hard to use?

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 24 '24

Last time I walked through the park (using the outer walkway) during burrito brigade I was charged by a 120+lb dog, then assaulted by a group of 3 transients after yelling at the owner to grab his dog instead of literally beating him across the face while the dog was still within a foot of me.

The burrito brigade then told me to stop causing trouble and go away without asking if I was ok.

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u/ziggypop23 Sep 24 '24

Just want to clarify - it is Breakfast Brigade, not Burrito Brigade which is a different nonprofit.

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 24 '24

Either way it was more brigade and less breakfast burrito. I feel safer in the alleyways downtown at night than I do in our parks in broad daylight.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

So a dog did a dog at you, you lashed out at the owner enough that volunteers thought you should stop.

So we shouldn't feed people.

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 25 '24

A careless accident was met with calm, the violent reaction from the owner to the dog was met with an assertive judgement. the violent intent from a group to me was met with loud and intentional defense. The reaction of the volunteers to then blame me was cowardly and craven.

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u/Flat_Reason8356 Sep 24 '24

Clutch your pearls.

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 24 '24

?

Id love to have more empathy, but when I don't feel safe walking through my neighborhood, I have little empathy for those 'suffering' who are literally leaving needles in public sandboxes, shitting on sidwalks, menacing families walking in public spaces, or setting up chop shops for local stolen goods.

The homeless population costs more to clean up after per person than most working class families make, and thats horrifying.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

You and hundreds like you in town feel so insecure by the existence of people suffering that you invent and then reinforce dehumanizing steriotypes.

Thats why you dont have empathy.

You rolled the top four there with the - menacing children - pooping on streets - drug needles in the sandbox - chop shops.

Youre scared. We get it. People still need to eat.

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 25 '24

People can get food stamps or various other food assistance programs EASILY. This is not a red state work or starve city - Dont kid yourself.

None of those things were invented in my head - those are things Ive personally had to deal with living downtown for two years.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

Youve only been here two years and youre already trying deny people their basic human needs because you saw poop outside.

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 25 '24

Youre making some real stupid assumptions across the board.

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

You cannot remove the major working option where a large, increasing number of people get a fundemental basic need met in our town - for ANY reason that isn't a fundemental basic human need.

What you're describing are other symptoms of homelessness. Your solution is to take away their food.

That is fucked up, immoral, and your reasons are SO stupid.

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u/Flat_Reason8356 Sep 24 '24

You are just a symptom of a sick society. I remember my grandparents complaining about paying property taxes. Their children were grown and they felt ripped off by paying property taxes.

Just like everything else, we vote for singular issues that affect us personally. We are not alone. Imagine your child was one of those homeless people. Imagine them being hungry and never knowing if they were going to live another day.

We may feel inconvenienced by a messy park, needles in the dirt. I have lived in Eugene my entire life, that area of town has always had those problems. It’s not like that is the only park in Eugene. There are a lot of much nicer parks all over town. I never took my kids to that park.

The city is just as much to blame. You have lost your soul if you’re more worried about a messy park or a perceived danger of a dog than you are other humans being fed. People who society has thrown away. It’s really gross!

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 24 '24

Inconvenienced by needles in the dirt?

I imagine my children stepping on those goddamn needles; my children being scared by the doped out fiends; my children being mauled by those dogs.

my soul isnt lost, and you acting like Im evil while you enable a culture of theft, drug use, violence, and victimization is really quite crass.

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u/Flat_Reason8356 Sep 24 '24

I was referring to humanity not you specifically. Take your kids to a different park.

There is your real excuse for wanting to stop feeding homeless people. Instead of demanding that we take care of our homeless people, villainize them.

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u/philmagick666 Sep 24 '24

FYI THEY SMOKE METH AND FENT IN PUBLIC

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u/Flat_Reason8356 Sep 24 '24

Where else would they smoke it? They’re homeless. You morons are too much.

I hope you never find yourself in a bad situation. You all as in humanity have dehumanized homeless people to suit your needs!

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u/philmagick666 Sep 24 '24

I'M GOOD FAM I DON'T SMOKE METH AND FENT. I'M A MODEL CITIZEN WHO ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT THE INNOCENT CHILDREN

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u/Flat_Reason8356 Sep 24 '24

No you don’t care about innocent children. You only care about lives that are being led the way YOU think they should be. Have you ever considered the suffering those people go through?

I don’t use drugs or alcohol myself but who the hell are we to judge others?

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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 24 '24

Maybe don’t walk through the park then? Maybe uh… move to Cottage Grove where you can safely eat your milk and cookies. Lebanon. Scio… 🤷🏻

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 24 '24

You must be typing this while munching on a breakfast burrito.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

They care more about hurting the community than they do about helping it

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u/ziggypop23 Sep 24 '24

What are you doing to help the community? These people are FEEDING those who need food. They care about the community. You?

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 24 '24

Food needs to be given near shelter. Shelter needs to be built near opportunity for betterment such as jobs, gyms, and mental health centers.

Giving food in the middle of the city or in our parks just causes the homeless population to congregate where there is no designated shelter or opportunity which leads to property crime and unsanitary conditions for everyone.

This is a great example of good intentions with bad execution. This is the reason why our parks are littered with needles, shit and trash and it is why children don't play at the parks for half the year.

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u/666truemetal666 Sep 24 '24

But these people don't have the funds to provide shelter, they are doing what they can time meet UNMET needs!!! Of course it would be better to have shelter with food distribution, but the movement would rather piss away all our tax dollars on literally anything besides ending homelessness

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u/DeltaUltra Sep 24 '24

I think they are basically summing up the base of the original top comment.

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u/TheMaskedTerror9 Sep 24 '24

you weighed the dog?

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u/PunksOfChinepple Sep 24 '24

Most humans with eyes and a brain can accurately estimate dog weight. 

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u/Booger_Flicker Sep 24 '24

Not in my experience.

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u/TheMaskedTerror9 Sep 24 '24

Is that a skill a person hones over a lifetime or just an innate ability people are born with?

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u/terrencethetomato Sep 24 '24

maybe its Maybelline.

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u/PunksOfChinepple Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24

Most people are born with it. If you weren't, just Google image search things like "40lb dog" and other terms, and familiarize yourself. Then you will have super powers too! 

Edit: most apartments have weight limits on dogs, but not tenants. Most airlines charge for overweight luggage, but not overweight passengers, why? Why does a 90lb person checking a 51lb bag pay for extra weight, but a 350lb person with a 49lb bag not pay for extra weight? Why does God allow suffering? Why can't I ever plug in USB the right way up on the first try? Fuckin magnets, how do they work? How's my driving? 

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u/Moon_Noodle Sep 24 '24

Most people can assess size and weight. If you can't, that's on you.

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u/Tiasmo-Bertjayd Sep 24 '24

Don’t presume to speak for most people.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37495225/

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

It’s not the burrito, it’s the blatant fentanyl smoking and open air bicycle chop shops which gets me

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u/TheMaskedTerror9 Sep 24 '24

I didn't realize the burrito came with Fent. We gotta put a stop to that shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

It’s enables

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u/JavaMoose Sep 24 '24

A breakfast burrito enables drug use?

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u/SacrificialBanana Sep 24 '24

Didn't realize free food enables people to smoke fent.

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u/Moist-Intention844 Sep 24 '24

By lottering littering and disrespecting others public spaces with entitlement and drug use

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u/666truemetal666 Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24

You think they are going to make better choices if they are starving more?

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u/OddPressure7593 Sep 24 '24

I think that not giving them burritos means they won't have burrito wrappers to litter all over the park.

If the people being fed can't be bothered with even the minor responsibility of "throw your burrito wrapper into the trash" well....fuck'em. They can stay hungry if "don't litter the wrappers for the food you were just given" is too much to ask of them.

Normal Eugenians are so tired of this bleeding heart, "They're homeless! They can do whatever they want!" attitude that is destroying our public spaces

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u/666truemetal666 Sep 24 '24

There is grey area between zero accountability and purposely starving people

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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 25 '24

They’re starving themselves.

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u/666truemetal666 Sep 25 '24

By lining up to get food? I can understand alot but the amount of people on here that don't think people should eat is fucking disheartening

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u/Moist-Intention844 Sep 24 '24

Better choices? lol

I think they are self absorbed and don’t think past their needs and in turn couldn’t care less how they affect the people who’s taxes pay for them to live

And lezzbehonest they probably have food stamps and this town has a multitude of resources for food

They can team up with an agency who has a building and dispense their food there not a park that has had millions of tax dollars pumped into rehab to be destroyed over and over again by users

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '24

Yes, actually. The thing they call rock bottom is where a lot of people make changes in their lifestyle. I've talked with homeless people with addictions who were desperate for change. I told them I could get them into a treatment center in Salem or Portland the next day (after hours I spent on the phone with those facilities) so 3 hots and a cot, and help with resources and help with getting clean. "Well, not today I guess. Not right now. I guess I'm doing ok, really, it's not so bad, I've been living on the street for years now. I'm not good at keeping rules." Versions of that. But if things were really bad on the street, they might be more motivated to make better choices. So, yeah.

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u/666truemetal666 Sep 26 '24

Your not supposed to facilitate someone's rock bottom, that is cruelty. You will never convince me that feeding a human is immoral and I am sorry for your soul that you feel this way

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

"It's not THEIR public space... its other's' public space!".

Awww are they disrespecting your space by having a meal that day?

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u/Moist-Intention844 Sep 25 '24

No it’s more when they start pissing and shitting on them while creating garbage and destroying the grass.

I find it incredibly ignorant that you don’t see the difference between the two and want tax paying citizens to continue to pay to repair the space

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

I see the difference between the cost to a tax payer of some damaged GRASS in a place where it rains all winter long - and the cost of eliminating the main option for people to have a hot meal.

You keep trying to figure that out.

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u/Moist-Intention844 Sep 25 '24

That is definitely not the main hot meal in town

lol

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

Oh yeah? What makes you say that?

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u/Moist-Intention844 Sep 25 '24

And we all know there is lots of damages due to impact of this on our parks

If it’s raining so much that this “main hot meal” happens why is it such a great spot? Why do you hate our parks and Mother Earth? Why do you defend destroying public spaces ?

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

The shelter from the rain comes from the overpass. The rain makes the grass grow back in a matter of weeks. The park under the overpass is not "mother earth", and feeding people is not destroying anything.

You need to tone down the save the grass display and realize this is about human beings having a meal.

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u/Moist-Intention844 Sep 25 '24

lol I can guarantee that I’ve been here longer and have struggled more than you You can tone down your need for attention

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u/ahughman Sep 25 '24

Okay you deserve a trophy as much as they dont deserve food i guess.

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u/Living_Plague Sep 25 '24

Do you complain about tax money every time it’s wasted? Maybe take a look at the military as a place to divert this energy. Or shut the fuck up and do something to help people in need if you don’t like the way it is being done currently. Which I agree is ineffective. You’re just pointing the anger at the homeless because it’s easier than examining the systemic societal problems which have created a complex problem. Yeah it sucks to see someone so fucked up they’re doing drugs in public and leaving trash around. If you sat on your ass and relaxed at all in the last week, you had time to improve the situation at least a little. If you’re not trying to fix the problem, you’re just another worthless complainer sitting around doing nothing. And yes, you should feel a responsibility to help others. As others have noted doubt helps you at times in life. Do better.

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u/artistic-question511 Sep 24 '24

Who are you talking to? You think we’re listening 💀