I don’t know man I was a child when Obama entered as president being a child of immigrants all I heard from them was how scared they were from being deported and then we had the recession happen in 2008 not so great.
Same thing people have done with re-electing trump! Look at how many farmers still back him, even though his tariffs killed them the 1st time and they had to be bailed out by trump 🤷♀️
Literally just not thinking our president would randomly tweak out and nuke someone made my life better back then. I’m a New Yorker. We’ve had to deal with the orange slime mould for longer than most of the country and I was baffled when people took him even remotely seriously by choice the first time. Now we’re all forced to deal with whatever extra crazy shit he slings around because enough people decided they wanted a second ride on the fuck you train.
Yes, childhoods can definitely have rosy/nostalgia tinted lenses on them. Doesn’t negate the fact that I was infinitely happier when the president wasn’t the Central Park 5 ghoul who bragged about his tower being the tallest in downtown Manhattan the same day the towers went down.
I am trying to remember what these “American citizens” were doing in Syria during the Arab Spring/Syrian revolution, oh yeah, joining Isis? How convenient for you to remember their citizenship so you can demonize a president who is forced to make a “crisis room” decision to use force on high value targets with a small time window, all while the right in this country howled and wailed about how weak he was on Isis?
We should have never, ever been in Iraq, that is a fact conveniently forgotten (mostly by the war mongers on the right) after the tragedies of 9-11. Yes we deposed Saddam, but there was no strategic value. It instantly made Iran the reigning power in the region opposed to Israel. It created the power vacuum in not on Iraq, but the region at large, which left the opening that Isis filled!
Blame the president that ended the senseless conflict that cost thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of casualties and native deaths, along with the destruction of countless families in the region!
Still waiting on weapons of mass destruction 23+ years later.
Most successful POC is that way. It's like we can't be successful... When did it become normal for cowards like gaetz to belittle 4star generals and Secretary of defense. We're a racist country period
Racism was already on the decline before Obama though. It became more racist due to his actions with controversial issues and I'm not talking about white people.
The only reason it became more racist was, like you said, due to Obama.
For example, he was black. That’s a big no-no for the trailer park residents. He was also elected president. WHILE BEING BLACK! Absolutely abhorrent for the hill people. Add onto that, he was a likable president—while still remaining black. BIIIIIIIG no-no for the closet racists.
I can’t believe he started the racism by being black. Absolutely disgusting.
Jokes aside, I’m genuinely shocked how easily Trump brought out the Jim Crow lovers from the woodworks. Like, I knew a lot of people in the US were racist as fuck, but I never expected “The South will rise again!” people to be such a large portion of the US.
Obama was moderate, well spoken and didn’t spend a career putting minorities in jail for weed in California of all places. He is everything Harris is not. That’s why she lost.
Obama wasn’t successful. He wrecked the healthcare system, brought in poor economic growth, droned American citizens, weaponized the IRS on his political opponents, got caught on a hot mic being corrupt, allowed Joes crack head son to fly around the world picking up bags of cash for access to his administration, just to name a few.
Obama promised enshrine Roe v Wade in our constitution and had a super majority in the house and senate but choose not to do it. Do you think that's being a successful president?
What was so great about him? Honestly, what really changed under Obama other than your "vibes" and perceptions?
Inequality worsened under Obama, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Race relations also worsened. Home buying got more out of reach, and we ended up spending record amounts on wars and military.
"Successful" the only thing the man was good at was being professional. He talked and walked like a president. He still bombed more children and women than trump did.
‘successful’ all emotions aside, it seems hard to use that term when talking about a president. Obama had highs and lows just like every president. Hands down one of the best orators of all time though
Which is so counterintuitive that it can only be real. They really had nothing to fall back on besides "but he's black. And he wore that tan suit one time."
What's bad is that I was graduating high school for the 2008 election. I couldn't vote yet but I was getting very politically involved. Seeing how many people were ignited under a black president made me hopeful that we were progressing as a nation.
Nope! The racists just double downed harder and exposed themselves through our thin veil of a society.
"We can't let a black man show us up! Let's get a white man back in to fix it! No, not like that ... Or that ... Or that. Maybe the white man is the problem? Nah, it's definitely everyone else, right?... Right?"
No. It's the vitriol of social media that is polarizing us and making everyone lose their fucking minds. Everyone is so brainwashed and no one is talking about it.
He just carried on a lot of Bush programs. Which if you remember were terrible. He didn't really change anything because he was in the system and prepped for the job.
People live with hatred. They use that hatred and racism to vote and elect politicians to power.
Because it's the only real power they have.
Most people don't care about the world doing better at all. It's all lies. Watch how much changes in the next 4 years. We've been doing this for 100 years.
Obama was not a success, just presidential looking. Don't forget that he built the cages at the border and he ACTUALLY deported more families than any other president. Please check the facts and not get your news from msnbc, Rachel maddow, or any of the other left comedians.
I’ve lost all faith in this shithole country, and want independence for my state (California.) I’m fucking done living under the yoke of Wyoming and South Dakota.
I mean I agree and voted blue BUT any white guy that was mildly competent would have beat Trump in a land slide. The Democrats failed to read the room and damn near just waved the white flag by not doing the obvious thing.
I don't know. This was one of those "change elections," so I don't think any Dem would have faired much better. Trump supporters always quote me economic numbers that occurred during the pandemic, such as gas prices, and whatnot but I could never convince them that supply and demand was the reason. Dealing with folks with this logic was always going to make this a tough cycle for Dems.
Also, Hillary lost to trump. Kamala lost to trump. Biden beat trump by 5,000,000 votes….
Even excluding the irredeemable idiocy of MAGA, the USA is still mostly just sexist/racist imo.
My coworker from Virginia absolutely insisted he wasn’t racist, then, when he got comfortable, he said he hated poor black people and couldn’t stand Jews. Real story. Colorado.
LOL @ thinking Trump was elected because people were racist when the person who lost was white. Then the others think Hillary lost because those people wouldn't vote for a woman.
Whatever you do, don't look internal and maybe....just maybe..consider that ....MAYBE....the candidate that ran wasn't that good.
Nah people didn’t flock to Trump because they disliked Obama for being black. People wrongly cast blame on him for the housing market crash. In actuality, the government overreach with civilian surveillance is what killed it for many. The left attempting to make it a race issue like you just did so they can stand on some made up moral high ground caused a lot of damage to the democrats because this is when they really leaned into identity politics. They tried to make McCain look like a crazy racist like they tried with Trump and people see through it. You either have to accept all the batshit crazy ideas of the current left or face ostracization. This caused a lot of central democrats to shift right and the far right to become radicalized.
Yea thats kinda unhinged because i voted trump due to BLM rioting in 2020 and no one was held accountable. The white guys drove the general public nuts. You are the minority now and you must live with that.
Kinda like you all huh, you’re woman are shaving their heads to look “more unattractive” so therefore they are saying woman who are bald due to whatever reason (cancer is normally the reason) that they are unattractive. That’s shameful
Yes, because it couldn't possibly be that Hillary and Kamala were both complete garbage candidates, it must be because of race/gender/anything else. /s
The Black guy drove more than half of the voters crazy? So you’re saying the hundreds of millions of people that voted for Trump this year are all racist and specifically voted for Trump because they’re racists?
Man, that’s crazy. I didn’t realize that Trump getting the Black vote and Hispanic/Latino votes made everyone racist. I didn’t even know the KKK let anyone in besides White guys.
Ah yes, getting credit, for Bill Clinton providing poors with phones, using the military as a militia to interfere in foreign wars. Pizza being considered a vegetable in school lunches and absolutely ruining health care. Pretty great president though…
Wow and you call Trump voters racist? What an idiotic post.
Obama wouldn't have won the 2nd term without white votes, racist. Nobody freaking cared what color he was.
He literally received MORE white votes than any democrat since 1976.
This is why Reddit is trash. I promise you there would be no riots in the streets lmfao what planet do you live on?? Show me ONE riot where Republicans burned down stores and buildings and looted.
Just one.
Now, let's do the same comparison for Democrats.
I anxiously await your reply.
Here's a study showing it was economic reasons fewer whites voted in 2012 vs. 2008.
Actually, a lot of Obama voters flipped to trump. Look at the maps, and you will see a lot of rural blue counties flip red. It's not because of racism or hate. It's because both Obama and Trump, unlike Clinton and Harris, reached out to the blue-collar Americans. The ones who make this country run and don't get the credit they deserve. So when they see a presidential candidate come to them and give them credit, they will vote for them as opposed to the candidate who was telling New York City that they will make life better for the major city civilians.
Before anyone says 2020 disproves this, I have two reasons why I think this isn't the case. 1. Covid. People don't care about videos that say, "i care about you, random civilians in Narnia, Wisconsin," they want to hear it in person, and because of covid, neither candidate could. And that leveled the playing field a lot for Biden. 2. We have access to an unfathomable amount of information. Because of this, you can hear any story about anyone at any time. It being true doesn't matter. Marshall McLuhan said, "I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't believed it," and I think, especially on the internet, we live for that confirmation bias. If someone on the left saw an article that said, "In 1987, Donald Trump was involved in a hit and run that killed a 19 year old girl," they would share it not caring how reputable the source is, same for the right if you were replace Trump with Biden or Harris. This causes a stir for the ones in the middle of the spectrum who are the ones who truly decide the outcome of an election. They see the louder side more often, and that side tends to be the side that lost the previous election. So they will naturally be on the side of change. I think that because of that, presidents/parties having 2 presidential terms back to back are going to be increasingly rare. We also won't ever get a good president again until people start caring about the objective truth, and neither side does that
Dude, it's the Democrats that failed Harris. She got almost 7M less votes than Biden did in 2020. If she gets half of those, she probably wins. Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3M votes (over 2 percentage points) in 2016. She lost Wisconsin by <30k votes and Michigan by <90k votes. Two battleground states.
And Obama is the ONLY non-white president. And riot in the streets? You mean like all the BLM riots?
The Black guy drove the racists so nuts we got Trump.
Then the Dems let him back in again by propping up Biden for several years while they knew he wasn't fit for office, letting him run again and then everything toppled like a house of cards from there. I don't blame America one bit for going republican/Trump in this election, dems fumbled the bag hard and looked really incompetent.
I made this comment, it got deleted and I received a warning, so idk how you got away with it lol. Unfortunately, the democrats are gonna have to run a straight white man if they want a chance at winning the presidency next election. I wish it wasn't the case, the most qualified person with the best polices should be able to win but we all seen how that goes.
Obama was a black President (who won the popular vote twice), and so… racists voted for Trump when the ensuing alternative wasn’t even black like Obama??
Why didn’t racists vote for McCain or Romney? They waited for no black people to even be running to cast their anti-black vote??
If you vent this much, perhaps you should step away from online things for a bit and breathe some fresh air. Take a walk. Anything that doesn't involve the internet. Might be helpful.
You’re wrong. Always have been. If America was truly racist, Obama never would have been president. Are you forgetting the fact that Indiana and North Carolina went for Obama? Why would all of these supposedly racist people vote for a black man? Obama promised hope and change and all we got was drone strikes on children in countries we aren’t even at war with. Indistinguishable from Bush Jr. You’ve learned absolutely nothing in the last 10 years and this is why you guys lost. Keep pretending that segregation (a democrat institution.) Is still around and see how well it goes for you. You will never win another election again and I’m here for it.
Obama wasn't black for starters. He was just as white as he was black. Also, a lot of the people who voted for the "black" guy twice also voted for Trump because Obama was such a horrible president. Instead of calling everyone racist you really need to look at where your party is failing and learn or you'll continue to lose elections.
Insane take but okay lol. Obama wasn’t that great as a president either. I think what everyone should realize that it doesn’t matter who you put in they are going to fuck it up. The best thing about Obama was that he was able to polish that poop so well with his words yall didn’t realize it’s still crap.
That makes no sense. First Obama was elected. Secondly Obama was re-elected. And on top of that Romney only got 100,000 more votes than McCain. Then in 2016 Trump got like 2,000,000 more votes than Clinton which was still 3,000,000 votes less than Obama’s worst showing.
Trump‘s election has nothing to with a black man becoming POTUS. People really just don’t get it. Most of America hated Clinton more than they hated Trump. Democrats literally could have picked a Bernie Lomax, which they essentially did in 2020, and would have beaten Trump. The reason he was popular with Republicans is the average Republican was tired of watching the GOPe not fight the fights that need fought. I believe had COVID not happen, and multiple states using that to violate their own laws to easy voting, Trump wins in 2020. The reason he won this time? People didn’t like the way Harris was installed as the nominee after watching Democrats prop up someone who was clearly unfit for office. And Harris is viewed by people as incompetent. Then you pile on that a lot of people believe the “deep state” in D.C. were out to get him before he even took office…
It is like you guys just don’t get it. And this comes from someone that would never vote for either Harris or Trump.
Though I suspect the Democrats who’ve been propping up Biden wanted Harris to tank with the hopes that Trump will somehow be a disaster clearing the way for a blowout in 2028.
We’ve had two of the most qualified people ever to run as president, and they both lost. What do they have in common? America is still sexist and is not ready for female president.
The only group I remember rioting in the streets were supporters of the other guy. We don't call those riots though because that might offend them and give them another excuse to trash their neighborhoods and steal TVs.
I think it has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with the dude not living up to what was on the label….and as for trump, it probably turned out that he wasn’t as bad as what we were told. As for a not white, not male candidate - if you’re sexist and racist enough to think it in and of itself matters, the Democratic Party had a very strong candidate who seems to have taken up a position with the incumbent government. Maybe the party should look inward at why that happened, I suspect that what will continue to happen is that racist and sexist pundits will continue to cite to other people as the problem without ever acknowledging that the dems had very little to offer.
Obama expanded the surveillance state, drone bombed countless Arab children, put kids in cages (the original cager), and was the Deporter in Chief (far surpassing any Republican before him or the previous three presidents combined). He sent blankets to Ukraine when Putin took Crimea (but I’d wager your pro democrat party stance on continuing the bloodshed of hundreds of thousands of young men on both sides of that current conflict).
But he did it was a smile, gentle and articulate tone, and looked good in a suit — so it’s “racism” if a white man wins the office after him? Race doesn’t matter. Votes matter and every citizen is entitled to one, even if they disagree with you. And when they disagree with you, it’s not “racism.” It’s disagreement, but like many liberals, you’re prone to cry out a heinous charge or “-ism” in order to explain why someone (the vast majority of the country in this 2024 election) doesn’t agree with you.
I mean — at least try to be objective OP. Your writing has the temperament of a young, emotional, super left wing college student.
There are pros and cons to both Obama and Trump, and racism is not a factor — considering white men like you and me voted for Obama. Find me the racists and we’ll take them down together.
What of the blacks and Latinos whom voted for Trump and are here reading your post? You’ve totally disregarded them and disrespected their agency. Trump won their vote in greater numbers than any Republican before him — and it wasn’t close.
P.S. senility is setting in lol y’all still crying cause she lost hell her team raised 1.4 billion dollars on the campaign trail and then went 20 million in debt how and Harris was going to save our economy.
Harris failed and so did the democrats at any attempt to win the election. Quit blaming racism and ole’ whitey u can’t even agree on a candidate for two seconds and democrats are the ones that protest voted the Israel/Palestine mess and let trump walk in lol . If she would have taken a second to mention the millions of struggling 40+ hour Americans instead of women’s uterus and gays maybe she would’ve had a chance . Hate to blow ur mind but half of Dems drive trucks and own guns and don’t live n the city . I voted for her why didn’t millions of other democrats? Are you saying Dems are also racist because they voted Biden ( old white guy) but not Harris? Lol You sound like a republican deflecting responsibility. Trump got same votes as before Dems lost this on their own not because of racism and the fear of a minority women as president. BTW she’s not black she’s mixed race not sure u know how things work just as Obama was not black he was mixed race. It’s racist to call them black while forgetting and canceling their other ancestors because it doesn’t fit your narrative or agenda of how you want something framed. I have 300+ replies/messages to my comments never read a one. Fire away lol .
I disagree. It was the democrats and their supporters automatically calling everyone in the USA a racist if they disagreed with policy being passed. Those people brought about Trump. It was also the DNC installing Harris when Sanders won the primaries and many Americans voting anyone but her. I believe if Sanders was given the chance he would have beaten Trump both times.
But they kept sanders out like the republicans kept Ron Paul out.
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u/concolor22 1d ago
Last time we had a non white dude, the dude AFTER him was Trump.
The Black guy drove the racists so nuts we got Trump.
Their heads woulda exploded if Harris won. They woulda rioted in the streets... And....
Imma just gonna go over and cry in the corner.
P.S. I'm also an old white dude. Voted Harris. Would again
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