I don’t know man I was a child when Obama entered as president being a child of immigrants all I heard from them was how scared they were from being deported and then we had the recession happen in 2008 not so great.
Same thing people have done with re-electing trump! Look at how many farmers still back him, even though his tariffs killed them the 1st time and they had to be bailed out by trump 🤷♀️
Tariffs didn't do shit and you want to talk about bailouts? How about Obama bailing out big banks? Farmers work their asses off and banks are fuckoffs.
The trump tariffs put a lot of farmers out of business bro. It isn’t even a question.
Yes, Obama cleaned up Bush Jr’s mess by bailing out wall street. I wish he had done it differently, but he kept America alive and put regulations in place that ensured it wouldn’t happen that way again.
Trump has vowed to end those regulations.
This isn’t hard, no one who loves this country votes Republican. Period.
They’re blind to him and the other nonsense crap he pulled!! All along they just dogged on Trump for distractions yet these 🐑 are still in awe over his bs
Yeah I think this ideology democrats are pushing went too far and the American people had enough.Imo the last five or six years have been pretty chaotic around the world and at home.I am willing to reserve judgment for the next four years and who knows what if we are better off than when he started at the end of it.If he and his team fail they should be judged accordingly.
Because they don’t fit the narrative. Clinton (Bill) was strong on border security and deportation as well. Most of his policies would be right-leaning in 2024…
The president's racial identity matters more than their performance to so many people. It's disgusting.
What happened to judging by content of their character, rather than the color of their skin?
I'll say this, if someone dared to post a banner that said "Anything but a black president", they'd be strung up by their gonads. But this thread is apparently OK because white man bad.
I don't know. I'm a huge Obama supporter, and I've never once tried to explain away his deportation record. The time to complain about it was while it was happening, not years afterwards. History is what history it's, so why try to explain it away. Own that shit! The good and the bad.
And what does the right expect of a person that agrees that something Obama did was bad? They declare that he shouldn’t have been president, should have been removed from office, jailed, blah blah…. while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge any of the positive things he did. It’s like why bother….
But joking aside, in all fairness can you present some things you think the "right" would agree are good regardless of which POTUS did it? (In this case Obama)
We didn't ignore shit. We spoke up. The articles are still probably online, for sure archives, but sure make shit up lol. We spoke and he listened. He apologized, admitted he went about it the wrong way.
Ever heard Trump do that?
Furthermore, Obama didn't run his shit sheared campaign on "dey took er jobs!" Like your idiot of an orange freak rapist did. He made a bad call. There's a difference.
Trying to compare trump to Obama is like trying to compare Jose to Jesus
The furthest we need to go to compare who was better is the rapist thing. Trump is a rapist. Should be end of story. Anyone who isn’t a rapist or predator is a better person than him by default. No point in comparing anything else. If I did the shit trump did, my whole family would disown me. But half voted for him. Knowing who he was. The same people who were sickened by Ezra millers crimes and others but fine with a dude who has done 100x worse shit being elected as president. I for real feel like I’m in the twilight zone. Like I’m missing something about Trump. Something fundamental. When I try to genuinely engage with these people to learn why they are on his dick so hard I get no answers. I don’t think some of them even know why they like him. They site policies sometimes but the facts show that everything he’s done has made things worse. What am I missing? When was this time that was so great we wanna go back to? Why do people think prices will lower when companies are already raising prices? Why don’t people care about the crimes he has committed? Why did it take after the election for people to research tariffs? I’m so lost as to why people love him and every time I try to talk to these people and see what I’m missing, I just get irrationality or gas lighting. I have yet to be convinced he’s a good guy and the fact he’s a rapist(and possibly more), I sure I never will. There’s no world where you could convince me that a rapist should be president of this country. But here we are and we are all going to find out.
Even if true, Obama didn’t build a platform on demonizing immigrants to do so. You can have an effective border security system without othering people through bigoted propaganda.
Demonize them ?? In my home state of TN south american gangs are growing in our 4 major cities sex trafficking is up drugs, violence just look it up. the shit he is saying isnt false alot of bad people are coming across the border but MSM just keeps saying these poor poor people trump is sooo racist its fcking hilarious the shit you guys fall for. Thats why people love trump he calls like it is and doesnt care whose feelings get hurt.
He was also responsible for building those detention centers at the border the media went after Trump for put the kids in cages when Obama was doing the same thing.
Loll eh. Don’t bother bud. They stopped arguing for open borders a while ago, and switched up to, “well it’s not a crisis”. Just remind them bidens illegal immigration numbers were literally 7X what Obama’s admin considered a crisis. Not to mention the only reason trumps deportation numbers were lower than Obama’s was because trumps policies kept them from showing up in the first place, and sanctuary cities wouldn’t detain them long enough for ice to round em up.
And covid happened during trump term so if you do simple math the border was closed because of covid which sank the economy...if he deported more in 8yrs compared to trump 18mos of fuqing up covid responsibilities yeah Obama deported more
Obama deported more than any president, not just Trump, but any president no matter what party or if they served one or two terms. Stop with the excuse making. Everyone knows it’s a lie.
No, his yearly rate is higher than Trump's. This is common knowledge and not 1 Democrat has ever argued against this. Proof you are arguing simply to argue. In fact the greatest criticism Obama receives from Dems is his Deportation history.
Further, the border wasn't closed d/t Covid. Only some partial slowdowns occurred at 1st. In fact under Biden during the height of Covid they were let through without Vax/masks while Americans were mandated to have both. (I literally live In a Border state in a migrant hopping station ie "city")
However, the border being closed doesnt stop people being deported. (Did all air traffic and driving cease?)
"While the Obama administration deported 1.18 million people in his first three years, the number of deportations has been a little under 800,000 so far under
Trump, according to the Post. The Obama administration also deported 409,849 people in 2012 alone, while the Trump administration has yet to deport more than 260,000 people in a year, the Post reported."
Immigration advocates said the Trump administration’s desire to deport
immigrants indiscriminately rather than targeting criminals for deportation has
slowed its pace.
I watched this play out in real time 100 miles from the border. Day by day. I literally paid ATTN to this literal argument. I am personally invested/affected by it. I made this argument repeatedly while it was ongoing. Illegals were let in w/o VAX or mask mandates even while being bussed in. Meanwhile citizens were locked down and mandated to be vaxxed/masked and 6ft apart at all times.
While you were living HS on zoom I was enduring this as a home owner, father, university student, retired Army Nurse, with an "essential worker" wife.
I remember what the press asked Psaki if the people flooding across the border were being tested for Covid. And she said that we are not testing them because they don’t plan on staying long. WTF? Look it up. She said that.
Out of all the negative things Obama’s presidency had you bring up one of the things you republicans praise trump for… new flash, most Americans wants immigrants to come here the right way and don’t support illegals so I’d say that’s another plus for President Obama…
Yeah, the recession of 08 gets blamed on Obama, but when did he take office? Elections are in even numbered years, but administrations don't start until the next January. Even then, historical, it took 5 to 8 years to see the financial impact of any if their decisions
We know this. But like I mentioned before this is what I remembered as a child. Not the best years of my life. As a child one would not know this especially when people say this around you. One would start to believe it’s true until you mature enough to understand
All presidents are just various versions of Reagan. They don't care.
The Democratic party is now pro genocide, pro fracking, pro war crimes, pro Republican border policy, pro police violence to crush 1st amendment rights. I vote for the party that shares my values. The Democratic party would rather bring Republicans into their circle and exclude left voices. They will, and deserve to die if they don't learn from this. Which they won't. Next election will be more status quo, neoliberal warmongers like Kamala, Fettermen, and Pelosi are.
You do realize that almost half of the unauthorized immigrants living in the US actually legally crossed, right?
Per the link below:
“As much as 45% of the total unauthorized migrant population entered the country with visas that allowed them to visit or reside in the U.S. for a limited amount of time. Known as “overstayers,” these migrants became part of the unauthorized population when they remained in the country after their visas had expired.”
“The Pew Hispanic Center has previously estimated that there are between 11.5 and 12 million unauthorized migrants in 2006.1 The calculations reported in this fact sheet suggest that roughly 4.5 to 6 million or 40 to 50% of the total entered the country legally through ports of entry.”
There’s also the everyday crossings that take place, allowing both Canadians, Mexicans AND US citizens the ability to conduct business on just the other side of the border (in fact, many small towns in Texas, along the border, depend on customers from Mexico:
“For 2004 the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated that there were 179 million nonimmigrant admissions, i.e. individual entries by foreign nationals authorized for temporary stays.2 The vast majority of them—148 million—were Canadians and Mexicans who have Border Crossing Cards that allow them to go back and forth across the border frequently for short stays, including daily commutes for work. Another 30.8 million admissions involved foreign nationals with nonimmigrant visas that authorize temporary stays for pleasure, business and study. Some of those people enter more than once in a year, and DHS estimates that 25.8 million individuals actually entered the country at least once on nonimmigrant visas.”
Its gonna sound more fucked up, but its because he did those fucked up things in other countries while not fucking with Americans, everything since has been much much closer to home.
Literally just not thinking our president would randomly tweak out and nuke someone made my life better back then. I’m a New Yorker. We’ve had to deal with the orange slime mould for longer than most of the country and I was baffled when people took him even remotely seriously by choice the first time. Now we’re all forced to deal with whatever extra crazy shit he slings around because enough people decided they wanted a second ride on the fuck you train.
Yes, childhoods can definitely have rosy/nostalgia tinted lenses on them. Doesn’t negate the fact that I was infinitely happier when the president wasn’t the Central Park 5 ghoul who bragged about his tower being the tallest in downtown Manhattan the same day the towers went down.
Yes. Life was better for us all. I can give you a bunch of reasons but you're just going to argue with me as to why those OBJECTIVELY good things weren't actually good.
I guess you forgot Russia invaded part of Ukraine under Obama’s watch and North Korea started testing their missile range capabilities by launching test missiles at Hawaii.
And Obama’s response… “don’t do that again or else I’m gonna sanction you”
The world was definitely far from peaceful when he was in office. I'm not directly blaming Obama for the lack of peace in the world, but truth is the world has always been violent.
Some people seem to think that Trump would stop all wars. Um no he actually, illegal mind you, stop weapons from going to Ukraine. He threatened to not send them unless they gave him something he wanted. Now I can’t remember if it was money or information but it was still illegal since they had already paid for them!
That’s because you were a kid with little to no responsibilities. Look up the amount of wars terrorist attacks and time we were in war during the Obama administration.
I was a kid too and my life was miserable. When my dad was let go in 09 we were extremely tight on money and it was the most miserable years of my life. The world in my eyes was a war-zone. Didn’t really get better until years down the road, 7 or 8 but I can’t remember exactly off the top of my head.
He was the first president I could vote for when I hit voting age. My whole life it has been a Democrat making life better and then the GOP fucking it all up.
He did also do a lot of good as well! He gave me the right to marry whoever I wanted to and also adopt if I’m married to a woman! Gas was also WAY lower than it was under Trump and Biden!
And so did Trump! Trump authorize 59 cruise missiles struck against the Syrian air base, with many members of the foreign policy establishment applauding his attack as a means of punishing Bashar al-Assad’s regime for its use of chemical weapons. -
https://www.law.virginia.edu/scholarship/publication/saikrishna-prakash/642716
Also there were still a whole lot of wars going on under Trump and a few started in 2016 and ended in 2020.
Well I do remember that when Trump became president in those four years I experienced a shit tone of trauma which only really started getting better when he left. It’s kinda ironic to say the least. I did grow up in a EXTREMELY racist town where the KKK has a large history so that could also have something to do with it. Teachers turned a blind eye because “I already had issues” and “she should learn to toughen up” while I was literally being beaten by my classmates. It was traumatic!
The world? Maybe America, but go ask the kids from the Kunduz hospital for example, how peaceful they feel. Oh wait, you can't, because he authorized an air strike on them
Well Covid hadn’t happened yet and you know I WAS A KID! Yeah the world was peaceful for me because all the bad shit hadn’t happened to me yet! A lot of bad shit happened during the 4 years that Trump was president!
Yeah until you get to the bullying part and you get left with trauma! Worst years of my life was the same 4 years that Trump was president the first time.
Ouch that kinda hurt. But you’re right I was getting taken advantage of by an ex and such bad bullying that I ended up with depression and trauma from it. I still flinch whenever a man raises his hand behind my head. Been working in that with a therapist so hopefully that gets better!
People like to say billionaires are out of touch when the average middle class American is incredibly out of touch with the cost of their peaceful lives.
Hey here’s a fun fact about the military! I CANT JOIN! I actually wanted to but because I have ADHD and need to take medication I’m not allowed to join! Also my life was not peaceful but it only started getting worse when Trumps first term happened. I had SEVERE depression, had someone come to the house for it, between a parents divorce, horrific bullying, and a really abusive ex boyfriend, it was shit! Things started getting better for me when Biden was president and I was able to get out of those situations. Funny how that happened, Obama presidency nothing bad happened, Trump presidency a shit tone of bad happened, Biden presidency things got better. It’s almost like during Trumps presidency PEOPLE WENT INSANE!
EDIT The world seems peaceful for everyone when you're a child. That's what childhood is for.
I learned growing up that mainstream American society really tries to keep its adult population in this childish cloud of consumerism pretty much for our entire lives. Men are pushed to find wives and have families ASAP. Pseudo-crises about population decrease. It's all Shakespearean stage.
It really wasn't. You were just ignorant and oblivious to the world around you. So strange to swoon for a president that bombed US citizens like it was normal.
Trump did the same thing to another country and was praised for it. He authorized a 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea into Syria, aimed at the Shayrat Airbase. At least 16 killed (per Talal Barazi, governor of Homs) 9 civilians killed including 4 children and 9 soldiers killed (per SOHR) Not only that but because of Trump not taking action about 400,000 Americans died due to Covid. He also BANNED nationals of six Muslim-majority countries from traveling to the United States for ninety days. Later amended to include an additional two countries, also indefinitely freezes refugee intake from Syria. So killing more women, men, and children trying to escape a war.
Wow. Your level of delusions is absurdly high. Nice whataboutisms, as per normal from your party.
If you really want to get into that conversation, Obama had over 800 confirmed civilian deaths due to drone strikes while the confirmed civilian deaths under Trump are around 150. None of those were US civilians, which can't be said of Obama. Stop spewing your ignorance now.
I’m sure that the people who were refugees would disagree. Because Trump BANNED them from immigrating to the USA! The were mostly Muslims as well.
https://www.aclu.org/living-with-the-muslim-ban
Yeh thanks to Obama the Middle East is close to exploding! Obama placated Iran and released billions to Iran. Biden worsened the problem by lifting sanctions to allow Iran to sell oil. Thanks to Obama and Biden Iran has money and is terrorizing the Middle East directly and thru its proxies! Meanwhile, the Iran nuclear deal had no enforcement mechanism so Iran is maybe months away from having nukes and the capability of delivering them at Israel.
In case you libs have any doubts Israel cannot and will not live with a nuclear Iran. Israel will have to take out Iran’s nukes as soon as it disables Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. Afterwards, Iran’s abilities to attack Israel will be blunted and Israel can take out Iran’s nukes! Will that cause a direct conflict with Iran anyway? Likely, but the alternative is unimaginable and intolerable for Israel. You can thank Obama and Biden along with Germany and France for letting it get to this.
Please explain to me how cars run and how the US would have ANY impact on who a country can and can’t sell to? Also we can’t control if another country is able to build nuclear weapons. If we did that would make us dictators controlling other countries.
That’s great, I didn’t say anything about a Presidential ranking. That ranking was also based on “Greatness.” What were they great at? Making a happy plate? Wiping their ass after taking a shit? Hiding cocaine in the White House?
I'm just pointing out that by the most objective measurement of POTUSes available, crediting Trump as someone rooting out corruption is like crediting Jeffrey Dahmer for being a meat inspector.
The world seemed peaceful because the atrocities weren’t reported. The media is a shill for Obama. Americans are ok with garbage as long as the media reports on roses. Remember that children in cages started in the Obama era.
Libyan civil war: Also known as the Second Libyan Civil War, this conflict was fought between 2014 and 2020.
Philippine drug war: This conflict began in 2016 and had 32,200 cumulative fatalities
India–Pakistan border skirmishes: These skirmishes took place from 2016–2018
Insurgency in Chad: This insurgency began in 2016 and continues to this day
Western Iran clashes: This conflict began in 2016
Islamic State War: This conflict began in 2014 and involves the Islamic State in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, and other locations
Territorial disputes in the South China Sea: These disputes included a confrontation over Taiwan, a civil war in Myanmar, and a North Korea crisis.
So don’t lie and say that there was no wars going on when there was!
I am trying to remember what these “American citizens” were doing in Syria during the Arab Spring/Syrian revolution, oh yeah, joining Isis? How convenient for you to remember their citizenship so you can demonize a president who is forced to make a “crisis room” decision to use force on high value targets with a small time window, all while the right in this country howled and wailed about how weak he was on Isis?
We should have never, ever been in Iraq, that is a fact conveniently forgotten (mostly by the war mongers on the right) after the tragedies of 9-11. Yes we deposed Saddam, but there was no strategic value. It instantly made Iran the reigning power in the region opposed to Israel. It created the power vacuum in not on Iraq, but the region at large, which left the opening that Isis filled!
Blame the president that ended the senseless conflict that cost thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of casualties and native deaths, along with the destruction of countless families in the region!
Still waiting on weapons of mass destruction 23+ years later.
Ha ha 3rd highest deficit signed 2030, joined the United Nations here sunk this country! Made it legal for the fbi andto government to listen to phone calls, cancelled the anti propaganda act making it legal for the news and everyone to lie! Yeah that’s like saying crystal meth Best thing ever!
We need a more moderate Obama that is willing to bend on things like illegal immigration. It’s a problem that needs to be addressed without all the radical bullshit. I was hoping that Kam could fill the role, but 😞
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u/concolor22 1d ago
Yeah, I really miss Obama. 😭