I suspect many other planets with intelligent life are also bewildered by the UFO phenomenon

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Just to reframe this issue in a different light. I do not think UFOS are from this planet or any other. What they are is a manifestation of a higher consciousness that are concerned with specific aspects of creation and its development but not contained to a single universe either.

A massive database records everything that has ever existed and is used to seed new universes with new combinations of form and intelligence.

[u/MKULTRA_Escapee]

For dolphins, probably not, but that wasn't the point of my bringing that up. Dolphins are just another example of a relatively intelligent creature. If you focused on chimpanzees instead, your point is a lot less compelling. I don't see why people have a problem with accepting that intelligence can be a useful survival trait. I would recommend reading up on evolutionary biology. There are some seemingly counterintuitive concepts that make perfect sense once you learn about them.

160 billion planets just in our own galaxy. Even if you assume the only possible planets capable of supporting life would be sun-like stars with an Earth-sized planet orbiting in the habitable zone of those stars, that still works out to billions of "Earths" just in our galaxy. There are plenty of planets that are billions of years older than Earth. It should not be difficult to imagine that the situation that gave rise to us has played out a least a few more times in our galaxy. This is especially the case if you consider how asteroids can kick up planetary debris into space if they hit at the right angle. You don't even have to assume that life would have had to independently spawn on each of those planets. We already know of a mechanism for how it can travel through space and we already know of organisms that can survive space.

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We can keep arguing but right now observation is on my side and numbers are on yours. If we don’t develop FTL travel or a more reliable way to analyze other worlds we’ll probably never know the answer to this question.

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Number one, you don't need FTL. Time dilation kicks in pretty hard after you hit 90 percent light speed, cutting the duration of trip down by half. At 99.9 percent light speed, time slows down almost to a complete stop, which means you can travel extremely far distances in a very short amount of time. Perhaps a million year old civilization knows more than us, and perhaps we are wrong on some things? How is that hard to swallow?

Our civilization has only 60 years experience in manned spaceflight. Are we sure we won't have to admit to being wrong on this, especially for some civilization that might be thousands of years more advanced? I think it's completely laughable to pretend that we have any clue whatsoever about the impossibilities of interstellar travel.

Respected scientists, engineers, and the press claimed other things were impossible, such as manned flight without the assistance of balloons, sending a rocket to the moon, etc. I hope you have a good laugh after you realize how absurdly similar this situation is to repeating failed predictions from the negativists.

1919:

Goddard’s claim that rockets could be used to send objects as far as the Moon was widely ridiculed in the public press, including The New York Times (which published a retraction on July 17, 1969, the day after the launch of the first crewed mission to the Moon). https://www.britannica.com/science/space-exploration/Early-rocket-development

1939: Million-Ton Rocket Needed:

MONTREAL — To fly to the moon, if such a feat were possible, a rocket ship the size of a 13,000-foot mountain would be required, Dr. J.W. Campbell, an Alberta professor, told the Royal Society of Canada. Sticking closely to scientific facts and figures, Dr. Campbell said that ‘‘for every pound of matter returning from the trip, 1,000,000-tons would have to start out to provide mass for speed control.’’ To make a trip under these conditions, Dr. Campbell said, ‘‘in order to have a body of 500 tons return, one would need to start off with a body much more massive than Mt. Robson’’ (12,972 feet high). https://iht-retrospective.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/in-our-pages-june-19/

May 19, 1941: 'Five-Mile Rocket Ship Needed to Reach the Moon' by JAMES STOKLEY Science Service Astronomy Writer

Even though its rockets were fired at a speed of a mile a second, more than twice that of present day artillery shells, a space ship would have to be at least as massive as Mt. Everest to reach the moon and return! This conclusion, which would seem to end all hopes of interplanetary travel for a long time, has been made by Dr. J. W,. Campbell, of the University of Alberta, Canada, after a series of mathematical studies... Dr. Campbell's calculations are concerned with the amount of matter that would have to be carried in the ship to get away from the earth, travel to the moon, and back. If the "bullets" from the rockets had a speed of about a mile a second, or twice that of present-day artillery shells, "for every pound of matter returning a million tons would have to start out," he says in the Philosophical Magazine. https://imgur.com/a/b8bSqQZ

1957:

"To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to earth - all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur regardless of all future advances." -- Dr. Lee DeForest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the vacuum tube. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KXhfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=my8MAAAAIBAJ&pg=3288,6595098&dq=all-that-constitutes-a-wild-dream-worthy-of-jules-verne&hl=en

Another good one is "scientific laws and mathematical principles make manned flight impossible." Such statements were made in the early 1900s by respected scientists and engineers, such as Professor Simon Newcomb.

See these newspaper archives from the early 1900s: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045366/1903-07-23/ed-1/seq-2/#words=Newcomb%2BDr.%2BSimon%2BFlying%2BMachine%2Bnewcomb%2Bdr.%2Bsimon%2Bflying%2Bmachine%2Bnewcomb%2Bdr.%2Bsimon%2Bflying%2Bmachine

Professor Simon Newcomb Demonstrates Mathematically that Flight Cannot be Solved: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045366/1903-07-21/ed-1/seq-3/#words=Newcomb%2BDr.%2BSimon%2BFlying%2BMachine%2Bnewcomb%2Bdr.%2Bsimon%2Bflying%2Bmachine%2Bnewcomb%2Bdr.%2Bsimon%2Bflying%2Bmachine

This is by no means specific to flight technologies.

In 1912, continental drift was proposed with significant supporting evidence, but it was widely ridiculed and called pseudoscience, propaganda, etc. It wasn't accepted by the scientific community until the mid 1960s. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-continental-drift-was-considered-pseudoscience-90353214/

Einstein thought nuclear energy would never be obtainable. He said this in 1934. Scientists also thought meteorites were bullshit, and many other examples. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13556-10-impossibilities-conquered-by-science/

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Great write-up, thanks a bunch!