Idiot convicted after withdrawing guilty plea

[u/saabister]

" ... authorities said Oliveras committed multiple officer assaults, entered the Capitol three times – once after being forced out by police - and yelled that he wanted to execute traitors and forcibly removed members of Congress."

https://www.nj.com/camden/2023/11/nj-man-who-pulled-back-jan-6-guilty-plea-convicted-at-trial-of-7-crimes.html

[u/SpicelessKimChi]

Based on the sentences doled out for similar crimes thus far he MIGHT get five years. And that's if he doesn't woo the judge by saying he's so very sorry and that he was a victim of the propaganda that he just couldn't ignore. That's apparently a valid defense these days.

[u/2fingers → u/SpicelessKimChi]

And in interview with the FBI, Oliveras, to a question about his participation in the Capitol siege, stated, “I wouldn’t change a thing, I’d do it again.”

Kind of difficult to woo a judge with remorse after that, this guy might be in a special kind of trouble.

[u/SpicelessKimChi → u/2fingers]

Good example.

This guy was convicted of entering a restricted building and obstructing an official proceeding. He told the FBI he had a "really fun time" and said the insurrection was "hilarious."

He was free until sentencing but then said a couple days later he didn't really do anything wrong and the judge SO HARSHLY said he couldn't leave his house except for work, school, church, medical needs, attorney visits, court appearances and "other activities approved in advance" until sentencing. So, basically for anything he really wanted to do.

Then came the actual sentence.

The statutory maximum the judge could impose was 20 years, or 480 months. Instead he got 14 months. FOURTEEN MONTHS! So, yeah, sorry for being a bit skeptical that any of these fuckers will ever actually see justice. Even the guys who got 18 and 20 years should've gotten more, but it's good to be a white guy who aligns themselves with trump these days.

https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/crime/2023/06/16/springfield-man-sentenced-to-14-months-in-prison-for-role-in-jan-6-riot/70313459007/

[u/zempter → u/SpicelessKimChi]

He was free until sentencing but then said a couple days later he didn't really do anything wrong and the judge SO HARSHLY said he couldn't leave his house except for work, school, church, medical needs, attorney visits, court appearances and "other activities approved in advance" until sentencing. So, basically for anything he really wanted to do.

I've seen someone under this type of house arrest. It's definitely better than waiting in Jail, but it's definitely not "anything you wanna do" there are restrictions. Also based on how poorly you are handled in jail, house arrest is probably life saving for a lot of people. These guys definitely need to be locked up until they take their sentences seriously, but unless your crime calls for the death penalty, then there are some elements of waiting for a trial that needs to be fixed for everyone, jails are run deplorably, especially if you have medical concerns.

[u/MarvM08 → u/zempter]

You’re right, except, that is 100% how it SHOULD work but doesn’t. I was on 6mos house arrest when I was 19 and I literally did “anything” I wanted to do.

The system is overwhelmed and everyone is underpaid. Check ins are: “You good? Any questions? Ok, see you in a month” and all of 1:27 seconds.

As long as you aren’t out racking up more charges or being a menace, they really don’t care.

That’s the truth. House arrest is cake. Most people do it willingly every day 🤭

It’s just like that.

[u/SpicelessKimChi → u/zempter]

Let me get this straight ... your rationale that he be released until sentencing is that he might get murdered in jail?

So, people who might get murdered in jail, which is pretty much everybody who goes to jail, shouldnt go to jail because they might get murdered in jail?

You MUST be a lawyer.

[u/zempter → u/SpicelessKimChi]

My rational isn't about murder in jail, it's actually about jails themselves being terribly operated and actually putting people into real torture situations possibly causing suicide or health risks including mistreatment of people who are diabetic or have other managed health conditions. House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers the resource requirements to operate and therefore increases the ability to operate a jail morally rather than turning it into a torture pit.

Your attempt to characterize my opinion into a "let's do a free for all" expresses a significant amount of ignorance on your part towards whats actually happening inside US jails.

You MUST be a random internet person.

Edit: spelling

[u/SpicelessKimChi → u/zempter]

"House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers ..."

If you think people who are willing to kill rival politicians, members of the media and anybody with whom they dont align politically are "safe" and not "actual dangerous people" you dont understand the gravity of sedition.

[u/zempter → u/SpicelessKimChi]

Well, I'm not the judge in the room, am I? Are you?

[u/SpicelessKimChi → u/zempter]

Nope.

Also, we're arguing different arguments here. I agree with you that prisons are awful and need to be fixed but reform isn't coming anytime soon and we can't release these fuckfucks to the public so we have to use the deterrent we have, and that's sadly the prisons we have. These idiots shouldn't be out walking the streets -- people who attempt to overthrow our government based on conspiracy theories by a failed game-show host shouldn't be walking the streets.

[u/zempter → u/SpicelessKimChi]

It is true, there are two conversations happening. I agree especially with the ones that are violent, they should be under a lock because at any moment one of them could become one of our next mass shooters for all we know. We do know they are becoming radicalized. I think it's also important to consider context when evaluating people's risk. If Trump had successfully stolen the presidency, it would likely be people like us taking up arms.

The major difference here is that the Maga right listen to Fox propaganda and generally aren't very smart to pick up on stupid ideas. Ultimately a lot of those people are being punished for being stupid and violent, rather than spontaneously violent in general.

I personally think it's important to remember to treat people like humans in the criminal system, because it could be someone innocent, as is common, or it could be someone who is being tricked by an agenda, which is the case here.