r/CapitolConsequences • u/saabister • Nov 20 '23

Idiot convicted after withdrawing guilty plea CONVICTION

" ... authorities said Oliveras committed multiple officer assaults, entered the Capitol three times – once after being forced out by police - and yelled that he wanted to execute traitors and forcibly removed members of Congress."

https://www.nj.com/camden/2023/11/nj-man-who-pulled-back-jan-6-guilty-plea-convicted-at-trial-of-7-crimes.html

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u/surprise6809 Nov 20 '23

Hope he gets the full 20 years.

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23

Based on the sentences doled out for similar crimes thus far he MIGHT get five years. And that's if he doesn't woo the judge by saying he's so very sorry and that he was a victim of the propaganda that he just couldn't ignore. That's apparently a valid defense these days.

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u/2fingers Nov 20 '23

And in interview with the FBI, Oliveras, to a question about his participation in the Capitol siege, stated, “I wouldn’t change a thing, I’d do it again.”

Kind of difficult to woo a judge with remorse after that, this guy might be in a special kind of trouble.

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23

Good example.

This guy was convicted of entering a restricted building and obstructing an official proceeding. He told the FBI he had a "really fun time" and said the insurrection was "hilarious."

He was free until sentencing but then said a couple days later he didn't really do anything wrong and the judge SO HARSHLY said he couldn't leave his house except for work, school, church, medical needs, attorney visits, court appearances and "other activities approved in advance" until sentencing. So, basically for anything he really wanted to do.

Then came the actual sentence.

The statutory maximum the judge could impose was 20 years, or 480 months. Instead he got 14 months. FOURTEEN MONTHS! So, yeah, sorry for being a bit skeptical that any of these fuckers will ever actually see justice. Even the guys who got 18 and 20 years should've gotten more, but it's good to be a white guy who aligns themselves with trump these days.

https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/crime/2023/06/16/springfield-man-sentenced-to-14-months-in-prison-for-role-in-jan-6-riot/70313459007/

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u/zempter Nov 20 '23

He was free until sentencing but then said a couple days later he didn't really do anything wrong and the judge SO HARSHLY said he couldn't leave his house except for work, school, church, medical needs, attorney visits, court appearances and "other activities approved in advance" until sentencing. So, basically for anything he really wanted to do.

I've seen someone under this type of house arrest. It's definitely better than waiting in Jail, but it's definitely not "anything you wanna do" there are restrictions. Also based on how poorly you are handled in jail, house arrest is probably life saving for a lot of people. These guys definitely need to be locked up until they take their sentences seriously, but unless your crime calls for the death penalty, then there are some elements of waiting for a trial that needs to be fixed for everyone, jails are run deplorably, especially if you have medical concerns.

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u/MarvM08 Nov 20 '23

You’re right, except, that is 100% how it SHOULD work but doesn’t. I was on 6mos house arrest when I was 19 and I literally did “anything” I wanted to do.

The system is overwhelmed and everyone is underpaid. Check ins are: “You good? Any questions? Ok, see you in a month” and all of 1:27 seconds.

As long as you aren’t out racking up more charges or being a menace, they really don’t care.

That’s the truth. House arrest is cake. Most people do it willingly every day 🤭

It’s just like that.

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23

Let me get this straight ... your rationale that he be released until sentencing is that he might get murdered in jail?

So, people who might get murdered in jail, which is pretty much everybody who goes to jail, shouldnt go to jail because they might get murdered in jail?

You MUST be a lawyer.

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u/zempter Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23

My rational isn't about murder in jail, it's actually about jails themselves being terribly operated and actually putting people into real torture situations possibly causing suicide or health risks including mistreatment of people who are diabetic or have other managed health conditions. House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers the resource requirements to operate and therefore increases the ability to operate a jail morally rather than turning it into a torture pit.

Your attempt to characterize my opinion into a "let's do a free for all" expresses a significant amount of ignorance on your part towards whats actually happening inside US jails.

You MUST be a random internet person.

Edit: spelling

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23

"House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers ..."

If you think people who are willing to kill rival politicians, members of the media and anybody with whom they dont align politically are "safe" and not "actual dangerous people" you dont understand the gravity of sedition.

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u/zempter Nov 21 '23

Well, I'm not the judge in the room, am I? Are you?

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23

Nope.

Also, we're arguing different arguments here. I agree with you that prisons are awful and need to be fixed but reform isn't coming anytime soon and we can't release these fuckfucks to the public so we have to use the deterrent we have, and that's sadly the prisons we have. These idiots shouldn't be out walking the streets -- people who attempt to overthrow our government based on conspiracy theories by a failed game-show host shouldn't be walking the streets.

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u/zempter Nov 21 '23

It is true, there are two conversations happening. I agree especially with the ones that are violent, they should be under a lock because at any moment one of them could become one of our next mass shooters for all we know. We do know they are becoming radicalized. I think it's also important to consider context when evaluating people's risk. If Trump had successfully stolen the presidency, it would likely be people like us taking up arms.

The major difference here is that the Maga right listen to Fox propaganda and generally aren't very smart to pick up on stupid ideas. Ultimately a lot of those people are being punished for being stupid and violent, rather than spontaneously violent in general.

I personally think it's important to remember to treat people like humans in the criminal system, because it could be someone innocent, as is common, or it could be someone who is being tricked by an agenda, which is the case here.

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u/TheoBoy007 Nov 21 '23

But this is a different guy and his Judge is Beryl Howell. She does not suffer fools. I hope for 10 years.

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u/JustASimpleManFett Nov 23 '23

Yeah, watching the video, these assholes walked into the capitol building like it was fucking Comic Con.

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23

Have you been following any of these cases? That's literally what these fuckfucks have been doing the entire time and the judges have been eating it up and givng them relatively light sentences.

This guy deserves 20 years but won't get even CLOSE to that, guaranteed.

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u/HiImTheNewGuyGuy Nov 20 '23

You are referring to people who pled guilty, not the people going to trial and being convicted. Ask Enrique Tarrio about his "light sentence"

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23

Tarrio got 22 years but prosecutors wanted 33.

Rehl got 15 years but prosecutors wanted 30.

A long time, sure, but pretty light considering the maximum and requested sentences. And considering the crimes they committed.

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u/trumpsiranwar Nov 20 '23

I want to know what planet you are on where 15 years in Federal Prison is light.

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u/FattyMooseknuckle Nov 20 '23

I think you missed the second part of his sentence.

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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23

For seditious conspiracy!?

I mean, for something like possession or theft, that's a lot. But for conspiracy to commit sedition!? Nah, thats too light and not a strong enough deterrent.

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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Nov 20 '23

u/spicelesskimchi. This is federal court. Not state.

Prosecution wants this, defense wants that. And the judge literally goes through a worksheet to determine the sentence. They have to show their work and justify the sentence. Why?

Because the sentence can be overturned on appeals

No one is getting maxed at every point. So stop that.

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u/plastigoop Nov 20 '23

And then outside the courthouse go right back to the same crazy BS they were on before.

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u/JustASimpleManFett Nov 23 '23

His god threatens everyone constantly, so, who knows.