Idiot convicted after withdrawing guilty plea

[u/saabister]

" ... authorities said Oliveras committed multiple officer assaults, entered the Capitol three times – once after being forced out by police - and yelled that he wanted to execute traitors and forcibly removed members of Congress."

https://www.nj.com/camden/2023/11/nj-man-who-pulled-back-jan-6-guilty-plea-convicted-at-trial-of-7-crimes.html

[u/zempter]

My rational isn't about murder in jail, it's actually about jails themselves being terribly operated and actually putting people into real torture situations possibly causing suicide or health risks including mistreatment of people who are diabetic or have other managed health conditions. House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers the resource requirements to operate and therefore increases the ability to operate a jail morally rather than turning it into a torture pit.

Your attempt to characterize my opinion into a "let's do a free for all" expresses a significant amount of ignorance on your part towards whats actually happening inside US jails.

You MUST be a random internet person.

Edit: spelling

[u/SpicelessKimChi → u/zempter]

"House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers ..."

If you think people who are willing to kill rival politicians, members of the media and anybody with whom they dont align politically are "safe" and not "actual dangerous people" you dont understand the gravity of sedition.

[u/zempter → u/SpicelessKimChi]

Well, I'm not the judge in the room, am I? Are you?

[u/SpicelessKimChi → u/zempter]

Nope.

Also, we're arguing different arguments here. I agree with you that prisons are awful and need to be fixed but reform isn't coming anytime soon and we can't release these fuckfucks to the public so we have to use the deterrent we have, and that's sadly the prisons we have. These idiots shouldn't be out walking the streets -- people who attempt to overthrow our government based on conspiracy theories by a failed game-show host shouldn't be walking the streets.

[u/zempter → u/SpicelessKimChi]

It is true, there are two conversations happening. I agree especially with the ones that are violent, they should be under a lock because at any moment one of them could become one of our next mass shooters for all we know. We do know they are becoming radicalized. I think it's also important to consider context when evaluating people's risk. If Trump had successfully stolen the presidency, it would likely be people like us taking up arms.

The major difference here is that the Maga right listen to Fox propaganda and generally aren't very smart to pick up on stupid ideas. Ultimately a lot of those people are being punished for being stupid and violent, rather than spontaneously violent in general.

I personally think it's important to remember to treat people like humans in the criminal system, because it could be someone innocent, as is common, or it could be someone who is being tricked by an agenda, which is the case here.