r/CapitolConsequences • u/saabister • Nov 20 '23
Idiot convicted after withdrawing guilty plea CONVICTION
" ... authorities said Oliveras committed multiple officer assaults, entered the Capitol three times – once after being forced out by police - and yelled that he wanted to execute traitors and forcibly removed members of Congress."
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u/surprise6809 Nov 20 '23
Hope he gets the full 20 years.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23
Based on the sentences doled out for similar crimes thus far he MIGHT get five years. And that's if he doesn't woo the judge by saying he's so very sorry and that he was a victim of the propaganda that he just couldn't ignore. That's apparently a valid defense these days.
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u/2fingers Nov 20 '23
And in interview with the FBI, Oliveras, to a question about his participation in the Capitol siege, stated, “I wouldn’t change a thing, I’d do it again.”
Kind of difficult to woo a judge with remorse after that, this guy might be in a special kind of trouble.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23
Good example.
This guy was convicted of entering a restricted building and obstructing an official proceeding. He told the FBI he had a "really fun time" and said the insurrection was "hilarious."
He was free until sentencing but then said a couple days later he didn't really do anything wrong and the judge SO HARSHLY said he couldn't leave his house except for work, school, church, medical needs, attorney visits, court appearances and "other activities approved in advance" until sentencing. So, basically for anything he really wanted to do.
Then came the actual sentence.
The statutory maximum the judge could impose was 20 years, or 480 months. Instead he got 14 months. FOURTEEN MONTHS! So, yeah, sorry for being a bit skeptical that any of these fuckers will ever actually see justice. Even the guys who got 18 and 20 years should've gotten more, but it's good to be a white guy who aligns themselves with trump these days.
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u/zempter Nov 20 '23
He was free until sentencing but then said a couple days later he didn't really do anything wrong and the judge SO HARSHLY said he couldn't leave his house except for work, school, church, medical needs, attorney visits, court appearances and "other activities approved in advance" until sentencing. So, basically for anything he really wanted to do.
I've seen someone under this type of house arrest. It's definitely better than waiting in Jail, but it's definitely not "anything you wanna do" there are restrictions. Also based on how poorly you are handled in jail, house arrest is probably life saving for a lot of people. These guys definitely need to be locked up until they take their sentences seriously, but unless your crime calls for the death penalty, then there are some elements of waiting for a trial that needs to be fixed for everyone, jails are run deplorably, especially if you have medical concerns.
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u/MarvM08 Nov 20 '23
You’re right, except, that is 100% how it SHOULD work but doesn’t. I was on 6mos house arrest when I was 19 and I literally did “anything” I wanted to do.
The system is overwhelmed and everyone is underpaid. Check ins are: “You good? Any questions? Ok, see you in a month” and all of 1:27 seconds.
As long as you aren’t out racking up more charges or being a menace, they really don’t care.
That’s the truth. House arrest is cake. Most people do it willingly every day 🤭
It’s just like that.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23
Let me get this straight ... your rationale that he be released until sentencing is that he might get murdered in jail?
So, people who might get murdered in jail, which is pretty much everybody who goes to jail, shouldnt go to jail because they might get murdered in jail?
You MUST be a lawyer.
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u/zempter Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 21 '23
My rational isn't about murder in jail, it's actually about jails themselves being terribly operated and actually putting people into real torture situations possibly causing suicide or health risks including mistreatment of people who are diabetic or have other managed health conditions. House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers the resource requirements to operate and therefore increases the ability to operate a jail morally rather than turning it into a torture pit.
Your attempt to characterize my opinion into a "let's do a free for all" expresses a significant amount of ignorance on your part towards whats actually happening inside US jails.
You MUST be a random internet person.
Edit: spelling
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23
"House arrest is the RESPONSIBLE solution when a person is deemed safe by a judge because US jails are a humanitarian nightmare. By reducing the population it at least keeps actual dangerous people inside and lowers ..."
If you think people who are willing to kill rival politicians, members of the media and anybody with whom they dont align politically are "safe" and not "actual dangerous people" you dont understand the gravity of sedition.
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u/zempter Nov 21 '23
Well, I'm not the judge in the room, am I? Are you?
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23
Nope.
Also, we're arguing different arguments here. I agree with you that prisons are awful and need to be fixed but reform isn't coming anytime soon and we can't release these fuckfucks to the public so we have to use the deterrent we have, and that's sadly the prisons we have. These idiots shouldn't be out walking the streets -- people who attempt to overthrow our government based on conspiracy theories by a failed game-show host shouldn't be walking the streets.
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u/TheoBoy007 Nov 21 '23
But this is a different guy and his Judge is Beryl Howell. She does not suffer fools. I hope for 10 years.
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u/JustASimpleManFett Nov 23 '23
Yeah, watching the video, these assholes walked into the capitol building like it was fucking Comic Con.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23
Have you been following any of these cases? That's literally what these fuckfucks have been doing the entire time and the judges have been eating it up and givng them relatively light sentences.
This guy deserves 20 years but won't get even CLOSE to that, guaranteed.
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u/HiImTheNewGuyGuy Nov 20 '23
You are referring to people who pled guilty, not the people going to trial and being convicted. Ask Enrique Tarrio about his "light sentence"
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23
Tarrio got 22 years but prosecutors wanted 33.
Rehl got 15 years but prosecutors wanted 30.
A long time, sure, but pretty light considering the maximum and requested sentences. And considering the crimes they committed.
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u/trumpsiranwar Nov 20 '23
I want to know what planet you are on where 15 years in Federal Prison is light.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 21 '23
For seditious conspiracy!?
I mean, for something like possession or theft, that's a lot. But for conspiracy to commit sedition!? Nah, thats too light and not a strong enough deterrent.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Nov 20 '23
u/spicelesskimchi. This is federal court. Not state.
Prosecution wants this, defense wants that. And the judge literally goes through a worksheet to determine the sentence. They have to show their work and justify the sentence. Why?
Because the sentence can be overturned on appeals
No one is getting maxed at every point. So stop that.
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u/plastigoop Nov 20 '23
And then outside the courthouse go right back to the same crazy BS they were on before.
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u/MisanthropyIsAVirtue False flag actor Nov 20 '23
Kind of hard to go back on saying “I wouldn’t change a thing, I’d do it again” to the FBI. Judge shouldn’t buy anything.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23
Shouldn't. But will.
Have yall NOT been following these cases at all? They all said awful things after the insurrection but in court say they're sorry and were just fooled by trump because he's so smart and savvy and they're just dumb and easily manipulated and the judges have been buying it the entire time. Just look at some of these sentences.
As soon as they're out or not in front of the court they just go back to what they were saying before and the judges are like "oh well, nothing I can do about it."
How many years do you think this guy will get, then?
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u/MisanthropyIsAVirtue False flag actor Nov 20 '23
Sorry, I have an optimism disease. As long as this isn’t Price is Right rules, I’ll say 10 years. He sounds entirely unrepentant and the fact that he withdrew his plea deal speaks further to that. Any crocodile tears this late in the game will be incredibly transparent.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Nov 20 '23
I would agree with you but from everything I've seen thus far these sentences have been insanely light -- less than half the sentencing recommendations.
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u/indigo-alien Nov 20 '23
Based on the sentences doled out for similar crimes thus far he MIGHT get five years.
Do we have a date for the sentencing? Is he actually in jail waiting for it?
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u/bubba0077 Nov 20 '23
Maximum sentences reported by the media are rarely representative of the actual sentence that could be imposed. They just take the maximum possible sentence for each charge and add them all together, without regard for actual sentencing guidelines which group charges and take into account whether they are repeat offenders and other aggravating factors.
Scowl Owl had a video on Legal Eagle's channel earlier this year on how federal sentencing really works, using the Trumps documents case (before the superseding indictment) as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8gSdJ_Ggw
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u/Draano Nov 20 '23
Lol. Started out with a range between 12 and 30 months; now faces up to 20 years.
Online, and to the FBI much later, Oliveras was defiant in his actions.
When he returned to the Garden State after Jan. 6, he posted online, “Did we want to get our bare hands on the flesh of those who have committed treason? Yes. Would I, as one of those red blooded americans, if the opportunity presented itself, grasped and removed one of those traitors? Yes.”
And in interview with the FBI, Oliveras, to a question about his participation in the Capitol siege, stated, “I wouldn’t change a thing, I’d do it again.”
Federal prosecutors initially suggested Oliveras serve 30 months behind bars; his lawyer had suggested 12. When he’s sentenced in March, the U.S. Attorney’s Office says he faces up to 20 years behind bars.
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u/outerworldLV Nov 20 '23
I’ll never get over viewing this crowd of craziness and them being allowed to destroy our Capitol. Just look at this bunch of deplorables, still so embarrassing.
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u/StronglyHeldOpinions Nov 20 '23
It only took one bad president for the entire house of cards to fall.
I'll never stop being furious about it.
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u/robreddity Nov 20 '23
There was an assault on our intuitions, yes. But they held, they didn't fall. It wasn't easy, and it was a close call. But you'll recall one of the fellows who helped to design this whole experiment warned us about the eternal vigilance necessary to maintain it.
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u/uberfission Nov 21 '23
Nah, Trump was a symptom of all of this, not the cause. This has been bubbling up in the background and we never even noticed it until Trump shined a spotlight on it all and encouraged it.
Trump did NOT act alone, remember that.
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u/thegreatreceasionpt2 Nov 21 '23
As another commenter stated, Trump was more of a symptom. Our elected officials have been lying and stealing for so long that all faith in them was long gone. That’s why (I think)some believe the Justice Dept is being “weaponized.” If we didn’t prosecute so many other things, why bother now? Must be because he’s “an outsider.” The system is broken. Neither party has a monopoly on crime. Lock them up and get money out of politics.
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u/JustASimpleManFett Nov 23 '23
Because he opened the box.....by that I mean the box from Hellraiser. Actually, nah, these assholes are too stupid for that, just Pandora's box.
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u/ElDoo74 Nov 20 '23
I wish more jury trials would happen. The citizens are far less lenient on these traitors.
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u/NoDesinformatziya Nov 20 '23
When a moronic defendant thinks they're the smartest person in the room, then goes into a room where people are both (a) waaaay smarter than him and (b) hold his freedom in the balance, the defendant is gonna have a bad time. Couldn't have happened to a worse person and glad he'll be thinking about his dumb decision for the next several years in prison.
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u/mykidisonhere Nov 20 '23
He's not smart enough for retrospective thoughts. He's just going to keep on thinking what he did was right and he'll find a way to justify it.
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u/tartymae Moron Labia Nov 20 '23
I wish there were more of these stupid dumbfucks who are so sure that "we the people" are "really on their side."
I love seeing them learn how much the average American thinks they're a treasonous asshole.
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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress Nov 20 '23
He wouldn't be one of the first to be turned on, but white Republican anti-Christs wouldn't wait too long before noticing his "Mexican" last name.
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u/civonakle Nov 20 '23
I'm a New Zealander so I might have this wrong and please correct me if I am.
As the time has gone on and I see these nobodies dealt their consequences, it makes me more and more incredulous that the cunt that sparked this fray is literally running for president.
Am I right in there?
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u/TheoBoy007 Nov 21 '23
Yep, that’s right.
However, his time is coming and that piece of shit traitor is going to pay for his crimes.
The minority political party of traitorous republicans know they are headed to long-term or permanent minority status and are still working on their coup.
We must destroy them in the upcoming 2024 elections.
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u/pianoflames Nov 20 '23
Federal prosecutors initially suggested Oliveras serve 30 months behind bars; his lawyer had suggested 12. When he’s sentenced in March, the U.S. Attorney’s Office says he faces up to 20 years behind bars.
Fucking. Idiot. He was only facing 1 charge. After retracting his guilty plea to the 1 charge, he was then facing 7 charges.
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u/robreddity Nov 20 '23
... he pressed on, declaring, “Everything around here changes from this day f---ing forward!”
For you Michael Oliveras, you un-American piece of shit felon.
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u/Purple-Nothing-5627 Nov 20 '23
As a Mexican it is so sad to see latina names being associated with these chusma.
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u/BrewtalKittehh Nov 20 '23
Another time, after police fired tear gas toward him, he pressed on, declaring, “Everything around here changes from this day f---ing forward!”
Why yes it does, my traitorous dude! Just not in the way you were thinking, though. Enjoy 60+ months in the pokey! I hope you're not gonna have to refresh the tree of liberty too much whilst confined, but yo' mouth tells me otherwise lol.
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u/KnucklesMcGee Nov 20 '23
My cause is just! No jury of patriotic Americans will convict me!
But after federal prosecutors in Washington, D.C. indicted him on two additional counts, Oliveras withdrew his plea this summer and opted for a jury trial.
It started last Monday, Nov. 13, and on Thursday, the jury convicted him on all seven counts: civil disorder; obstruction of an official proceeding; assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers; entering or remaining in a restricted building; disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building; disorderly or disruptive conduct in a Capitol building; and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building, the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Washington announced.
Confused face.
Give him the max sentence.
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Nov 20 '23
One of his MAGNUT friends probably convinced him to drop the plea, much to his eventual chagrin!
I just love love love when these fucknuts go to trial.
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u/nomoreadminspls Nov 21 '23
What about these people that are claiming to be political prisoners? This should I think ratchet up the years for the people who are still to be sentenced because far too many people who've been released already are claiming political persecution when they gladly took a plea deal, admitted their guilt and are now back to the same destructive shit.
To be engaged in the January 6th, attack is an act of treason that act of treason should carry a life sentence. That is the lenient option. That is the kind option. That is the more gentle option. It should be the first of two sentencing options.
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u/Mr_Blah1 Nov 21 '23
Also, they built a gallows and called for Mike Pence to be hanged. In a reasonable world, everyone who perpetrated and planned the events of 1/6 would be being prosecuted for engaging in a conspiracy attempting to murder Mike Pence (then VPOTUS) and resulting in the felony-murder of Ashlii Babbitt, since her death happened during and because of the Beer Gut Putsch.
If the Qcumbers were being prosecuted appropriately for their actions, I wonder how many of the middlemen would be ratting on their higher ups, including the motherfucker who told everyone to "stand back and stand by" in order to avoid a one way ticket to USP Terre Haute's version of The Green Mile...
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u/Hot_Ad_2117 Nov 23 '23
Many in the Trump era are going to learn the hard way. Its a shame so many have tied their personality to one person and are willing to commit crimes and lose family and friends because they got sucked into a cult leader/follower mentality.
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u/TheoBoy007 Nov 21 '23
Hi u/saabister, one of our sub rules is that posts must use the exact article heading. Because we are seeing this after many have already commented so far, we will leave this post up.
The article’s title is:
N.J. man who pulled back Jan. 6 guilty plea convicted at trial of 7 crimes