r/CapitolConsequences • u/PurkleDerk • Jan 26 '23
Sovereign Citizen Pauline Bauer convicted of all charges, including felony obstruction CONVICTION
https://www.wskg.org/news/2023-01-25/pauline-bauer-pa-woman-who-called-for-nancy-pelosi-to-be-hanged-during-jan-6-attack-guilty-on-all-counts276
u/PurkleDerk Jan 26 '23
And this was a bench trial before Judge McFadden, who's just been itching for any opportunity to acquit Capitol rioters.
But apparently he also really dislikes sovereign citizens.
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u/imexcellent Jan 26 '23
Ya, judges really are not fond of the sovereign citizen movement.
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u/SkullLeader Jan 26 '23
Yeah, the whole “I don’t recognize this court’s authority” defense isn’t usually going to go over too well with <checks notes> the court.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Jan 26 '23
He also gets to sentence her, right?
So we shall see how much he really dislikes sovereign citizens in May.
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u/MsBitchhands Jan 26 '23
Meanwhile, I am a law-abiding citizen who gets to relax on my couch with my vape.
Muh freedoms, or something
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u/spin_me_again Jan 27 '23
Don’t forget about all the late night fast food runs you get to go on! Your freedoms include warm snacks whenever you want them.
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u/CorpFillip Jan 26 '23
She's sovcit but also very upset about election results?
If none of the laws apply to her, she cannot be upset, Congress and Pelosi and elections mean nothing?
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u/systembusy Jan 26 '23
If there’s anything I’ve learned about life, it’s that you’ll find absolutely any combination of beliefs held by somebody.
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u/golfkartinacoma Jan 26 '23
Looks like she let a US embassy into her head rent free !
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u/Indifferentchildren Jan 26 '23
Worse than that: she let the U.S. Navy into her head, since there were fringes on the flag hanging in the courtroom, which makes it an admiralty court.
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u/jeffreyd00 Jan 26 '23
Sentencing to take place in May
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u/Ex-maven Justice alleviates a guilty mind Jan 26 '23
I wonder if she will have an opportunity to write to the judge before sentencing. She could enlighten him on how she doesn't recognize his court's authority over her. Who knows, maybe this time her SovCit arguments might win him over and get her a more favorable outcome this time. /s
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u/jeffreyd00 Jan 26 '23
Great idea! Happily it's worked just as we'd hoped for all of the other SovCits
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u/PurkleDerk Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
Unfortunately, I'm betting she'll get a pretty light sentence. I'll be surprised to see anything over 2 years.
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u/Acewrap Jan 26 '23
I'd be shocked at anything over two months from this clown judge
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u/PurkleDerk Jan 26 '23
It's a felony. She's highly likely to get at least a year, even from McFadden.
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u/pbnc Jan 26 '23
Love to see a judge order her deported once her sentence is served. Wants all the privileges and none of the responsibilities. They don’t want to accept this country’s laws apply to them? Set them outside the border and tell them to go live somewhere else
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Jan 26 '23
Is there a sub for these sovreign idiots? I would love to read it a bit just like the flat earthers.
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u/mael_dc Jan 26 '23
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u/JeddakofThark Jan 26 '23
I had to unsubscribe. It's funny at first, but gets really frustrating.
There are literally thousands of hours of videos of their magic incantations not working, not one video of it actually working, and yet they still try.
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u/mael_dc Jan 26 '23
I understand completely - mental illness really. What's that Einstein quote about the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results?
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u/Judgementpumpkin Jan 26 '23
SovCits are a special level of deranged and stupid. I wish we could revoke their citizenship status.
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u/Indifferentchildren Jan 26 '23
We don't have to revoke their citizenship. Just remove the $2,350 fee that is currently in place to renounce a U.S. citizenship, and simplify the process. They will line up to renounce their citizenship. Then we could have ICE take them into custody, or just let them wander around free, so that they can learn that not being a citizen does not remove them from the jurisdiction of our courts, nor exempt them from following our laws.
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u/it_mf_a Jan 26 '23
We could if we chose to. It would require an amendment, I'd support it.
"Anyone who says they are a sovereign citizen, shall be a sovereign citizen, and shall be escorted to a place in the world with no nation. Returning shall be an automatic capital crime."
That place would be, the center of the ocean.
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Jan 26 '23
There are a handful of tropical islands in the south pacific, entirely uninhabited, that would make for good places to dump these people.
Or Antarctica. They can stake their claim to a Glacier.
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u/RamutRichrads Jan 27 '23
Adak. It's a small volcanic island in Alaska waaaay out in the Aleutian Island chain. It has infrastructure for a small town in place, from its role during WW II as a defense base, and later as a scientific research station. Very difficult to access by sea. Set up a sensor buoy net around the island and have the Navy patrol the waters around it.
Banish these fools there, then air drop them survival supplies once a week, just enough to last a week. They'll be so busy with matters of basic survival that they won't have time to spend on their plots against America, and no way to act on those plots if they did. They can spend their time watching commercial airlines overhead flying to and from Asia.
This keeps them nominally under American control, so they can't go join ISIS, for example, and become an enemy combatant.
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u/jaguarthrone Jan 26 '23
Tough shit for this crazy old witch. I hope McFadden locks her up for a good, long time. These remaing asshats better start pleading out! DOJ is killing it right now...
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u/bigtimejohnny Jan 26 '23
Is there even a single time anywhere that the sovereign citizen argument has worked? How do so many people invest in something that has a 100% failure rate?
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u/otm_shank Jan 26 '23
Not in court, but there are definitely videos out there of sov cits being pulled over with no tags or license (because they are "traveling", not "driving") and the cops inexplicably let them go on their way instead of impounding the car.
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u/jingois Jan 26 '23
No.
Buuuuuut... it can take a lot of time to actually see consequences. If you keep spouting nonsense, forcing adjournments as each judge tries to give you a do-over to get a real lawyer, keep pretending every judgement against you is actually a win, ignore the consequences and refuse to pay - it could be many years before your speeding ticket turns into baliffs turning up to throw you out of your home and sell it / jail you.
And that whole time you are contributing to "Yeah I sent a motion to compel him to sign his oath of office with a proper wax seal, and told that stupid judge to shut up and he banged his hammer, had a tantrum about contempt and I walked out of there with more bullshit paperwork demanding money from my CORPORATE PERSONHOOD, which means nothing! Still winning!"
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Jan 26 '23
The best part of the SovCit movement is they don’t give a fuck about their countries laws, and their country doesn’t give a fuck about their Sovereign “laws”.
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u/HDC3 Jan 26 '23
Did she tell them that their laws don't apply to her as a sovereign citizen? Surely they would have said, "Oh, sorry." and dropped all the charges had she.
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u/eganvay Jan 26 '23
Does anyone know why it takes so long between conviction and sentencing? Why want till May? Allow the perp to stew in anticipation?
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u/PurkleDerk Jan 26 '23
For one, court schedules are just jam packed, so it's hard to even get the time. But they also need to give the DOJ and the defendant enough time to prepare their sentencing memos, so it's always going to be at least a month or two.
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Jan 26 '23
Deport her...to Gitmo.
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u/ghostalker4742 Jan 26 '23
No, that's still American soil.
Put her on one of those decommissioned oil platforms, let her exercise her 'sovereignty' there.
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Jan 26 '23
Gitmo is Cuban soil. IIRC the base was negotiated for between governments and the US pays some paltry sum like $5k per year for the use of it. Cuba once protested about it but since they cashed the first check (though none since) they don't get their way. Attempting to evict the US military would be a really bad move, so they don't.
But since it's not US territory, US laws don't apply except for whatever branch of the military is operating it. That was the big deal about all the enemy combatants/terrorists being indefinitely detained there. No haebeas corpus or something like that.
I'm all for sending SovCits there though. Then push them through the gates to Cuba and let them negotiate with that regime.
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Jan 26 '23
Nobody is a sovereign citizen, it's not a thing. It's made up bullshit that idiots and conmen attempt to leverage because they think they're smart or special. They are neither.
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u/LeCheffre Jan 26 '23
Likely undercharged, and liable to get lighter sentencing, despite committing felonies in a riot.
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u/NormalService1094 Jan 26 '23
I think it's really inappriate to include that sovereign citizen crap in the title, let alone capitalize it as if it's a valid nationality.
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u/PurkleDerk Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
It accurately characterizes the political/legal ideology they associate themselves with, which is well known for its magical-thinking courtroom antics. I think it's entirely appropriate to include.
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u/Rainhall Jan 26 '23
I think quotation marks around it would lend it the indignity it deserves.
You’re right, it makes the term sound like some officially recognized status.
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u/Left_Coast_LeslieC Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23
Hey, if she identifies as a sovereign citizen, who are we to object?
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Jan 26 '23
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Jan 26 '23
Let’s not do looks based insults like that. She has so many other things we can make fun of.
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u/TeesCoffee Jan 26 '23
I hope the sentence is impactful to them and also keep them off the streets.
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u/Minute_Guarantee5949 Jan 26 '23
It’s baffling that over 500 petiole have been charged and 900 arrested. That trump, the instigator of it all is still living life on his now tax free Mar a lago estate playing golf
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u/fluffyflugel Jan 26 '23
Maybe I misunderstand, but if you’re a ‘sovereign citizen’, and you don’t acknowledge the authority of the country in which you are dwelling, why protest and obstruct said country ‘s election processes. What does it matter to you? Just remain in your compound and keep your own counsel.