r/wallstreetbets • u/InternationalTop2410 • Jun 23 '24
Imagine betting against America Meme
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u/ComposedStudent Jun 23 '24
You post this when North America is asleep and Europe is awake? Sneaky.
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u/sucobe Jun 23 '24
LA night shift here, we’re monitoring this post closely.
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u/kobe2695 Jun 23 '24
Florida is morning shift is reporting for duty and ready to take over. Thank you for your service, soldier.
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u/fckcarrots Jun 23 '24
Love the enthusiasm FL Man but I think we can manage. Feel free to return to sniffing lines of bath salts off an alligators butt crack
- Rest of the east coast
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u/JuiceFar3233 Jun 23 '24
FL Man the rest of North America doesn’t appreciate you, join us, we’ll take over and make you king of all the states.
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u/ShittyStockPicker Jun 23 '24
This is how you know all chances of a European century died in WWII. There’s not a sane diplomat in the world that would willingly align themselves with Florida man
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u/sockalicious Trichobezoar expert Jun 23 '24
When we figure out how to saddle an alligator you guys better watch out
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u/Psycho_Nextdoor Jun 23 '24
Finish your beers. Its game time.
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u/lostaga1n Jun 23 '24
I feel like this is definitely something that Ron Desantis would hang up in his man cave.
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u/Psycho_Nextdoor Jun 23 '24
Well, formal florida-man regalia is actually just shorts, flip-flops and a hat. but I think the pics a better idea of what Cali people think Florida men are.
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u/whodiis Jun 23 '24
Zooted in LB, monitoring here as well.
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u/FalkonX Jun 23 '24
Dallas night shift reporting for duty
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Dallas morning shift here to relieve, thanks for your service
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u/Later2theparty Jun 23 '24
Frisco here baby. Looks like you guys got this. I'm going back to sleep.
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u/kisk22 Jun 23 '24
Was just zooted in LB when you posted that, not I’m back in LA like the commenter above you. I need to sleep.
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u/TermCompetitive5318 🤡 Jun 23 '24
Not everyone in NA :4260:
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u/KronusTempus Jun 23 '24
It’s not sleeped it’s slope
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u/CriticallyThougt the winter golfer Jun 23 '24
I sloped like my forehead
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u/Serious-Sundae1641 Jun 23 '24
Idiot! It's one head not fore. You up there with your giant quadskull.
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u/Jebusfreek666 Jun 23 '24
Slept you caveman. Maybe just type in the box instead of replying with dumb memes where spell check doesn't exist.
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u/ll_BENNO_ll Jun 23 '24 edited Jun 23 '24
Easy mistake to make when they haven’t sleeped all night.
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u/DrShitpostMDJDPhDMBA Jun 23 '24
Nobody hates America more than American redditors, meanwhile the Europoors know we're cash-printing machines. We'll die of heart disease and deaths of despair along the way, sure, but for a beautiful few decades we'll make some shareholders very fat. And that's what matters.
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u/abratoki Jun 23 '24
And when all the chips in those are made and designed in Taiwan
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u/Comfortable_Superb Jun 23 '24
Produced with machines from Europe, specifically the Netherlands.
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u/RolenIgunensa Jun 23 '24
And the laser and optics without nothing works comes from Germany
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u/lobstermagnet Jun 23 '24
And the glass for those optics are from a US company, so it sounds like it's a bit of a joint effort all around :)
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u/Maximum-Flat Jun 23 '24
Actually TSMC only made chip. It is their neutrality made them successful. Since the designing of chip take fuck ton of money, TSMC will have to remain neutral so all chip designer ,like AMD or Nvdia, will let them to produce the chips without leaking important information regarding its design to their competitor.
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u/bananjet Jun 23 '24
Designed in the US, but produced in Taiwan. High-end chips that is. And with Dutch machines.
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u/Zonkysama Jun 23 '24
The mirrors are from Zeiss, they scratch single atoms out of the surface now for the perfect shape.
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u/Maximum-Flat Jun 23 '24
Somehow these microconductors became the proof of potential capabilities of global collaboration.
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u/Olleye Jun 23 '24
And with German patents: Zeiss Jena (optical components), Siemens (sensors), Bosch (electronic components).
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u/planetaryabundance Jun 23 '24
You forgot that the whole process of extreme ultraviolet lithography was discovered by scientists at Bell Labs (USA) and the technology itself was developed in the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (USA) & Sandía National Laboratory (USA).
ASML needs a US DOE license to even operate EUV technology, which is why the US can dictate to ASML who it can and cannot sell its services to… without that license, ASML crumbles and loses probably 90% of its revenue lol…
The more you know
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u/Straight_Turnip7056 Jun 23 '24
Question is.. who keeps highest profit margins. It's like comparing Ferrari to steel & materials manufacturers
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u/yetanotherdave2 Jun 23 '24
ARM chips are pretty ubiquitous and designed in the UK.
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u/mynameisjebediah Jun 23 '24
The most advanced ARM chips from Apple and Qualcomm use custom cores not of the shelf designs from ARM.
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u/DividedState Jun 23 '24
When I look at the die it says made in taiwan.
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u/mkrugaroo Jun 23 '24
When you look at the machine that made that die it says made in Europe 🤷♂️
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u/out_113 Jun 23 '24
And when you look at the profits they say made in America.
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u/vladoportos Jun 23 '24
when you look at the profits, I see the Cayman islands :)
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u/Kranoath Jun 23 '24
And when you look at America they say made in Europe.
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u/ultratunaman Jun 23 '24
And when you ask an American they claim to be Irish or Italian.
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u/san_murezzan Jun 23 '24
AYYY GABAGOOOOL
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u/nusodumi Jun 23 '24
It's actually an accented pronunciation of capicola, a type of Italian cured pork
this blows me away everytime
Gabagoooooool
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u/jingojangobingoblerp Jun 23 '24
And when you ask an irish, they say they're nothing to do with us
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u/Several_Slide_7233 Jun 23 '24
And half cherokee or something.
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u/starshin3r Jun 23 '24
I'm 15% (insert european nation here) !!! I'm proud of my heritage!!
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u/Urabutbl Jun 23 '24
Nah, they say made in Ireland.
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u/Mimshot Jun 23 '24
Rights owned in Ireland but licensed to another Irish company owned by a Dutch company.
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u/Broken-Broker -Strokin-Strangers Jun 23 '24
"when everyone digs for gold, sell shovels" meanwhile in Europe: making shovels noises
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u/gastro_psychic Jun 23 '24
In 1997, ASML began studying a shift to using extreme ultraviolet and in 1999 joined a consortium, including Intel and two other U.S. chipmakers, in order to exploit fundamental research conducted by the US Department of Energy. Because the CRADA it operates under is funded by the US taxpayer, licensing must be approved by Congress.
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u/shit_happe Jun 23 '24
"American components, Russian components, all made in Taiwan!"
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u/salmz0hr Jun 23 '24
And the chipmachines (ASML) are made in the Netherlands.. hmmmm
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u/DrSmittyWerben Jun 23 '24
And the most critical components in an EUV come from Germany
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u/DrNopeMD Jun 23 '24
I find it absolutely hilarious that the CEO's from both AMD and Nvidia are related.
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u/divadschuf Jun 23 '24
Nvidia (USA) produces their chips at TSMC (Taiwan) or Samsung (South Korea). TSMC needs ASML (The Netherlands) as they manufacture the photolithography machines which are used to produce computer chips. ASML‘s machines are dependent on semiconductor manufacturing optics made by Carl Zeiss (Germany).
The semiconductor industry is an international business which is dependent on different companies from around the world.
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u/No-Teaching8695 Jun 23 '24
Dont forget Amat (Usa) and TEL(Japan)
Amat being the biggest supplier in the world
They specialise in Chemical Vapour Deposition chambers
But they're labour teams are Asians
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u/Earlier-Today Jun 23 '24
Nikon's involved as well, but second tier.
They make the electron microscopes that get used in chip manufacturing. Huge, blindingly expensive - but necessary - machines.
I used to work for a company that warehoused and shipped the parts for all the manufacturers in the US that used Nikon's electron microscopes. Nearly everything we did was in service of the stuff at Intel's sites. They had a ton that all ran pretty much 24/7 - so we had to be able to ship stuff out 24/7 including coordinating with Japan on stuff that wasn't in the country.
Made for some slow nights with huge spikes in workload and stress - still a pretty good job though.
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u/MonoMcFlury Jun 23 '24 edited Jun 23 '24
OK, then you also can't forget the laser og Trumpf (Germany)! There's a reason why the CEO of TSMC recently skipped his own event had a secret meeting with the CEOs of ASML and TRUMPF together.
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u/alternativepuffin Jun 23 '24
And the photolithography machines need neon gas. And where is all of that neon gas located? Ukraine.
You know what else Ukraine produces? A fuck ton of grain. Well if Russia took over Ukraine they couldn't sell the grain to Europe because of sanctions. I wonder who they'd sell to if they won. Who would buy that grain from Russia?
Wow, looks like China imports at least 40% of all their grain. Probably closer to 50%. That's a lot of food for a lot of people. Well, right now their number one supplier is the U.S.
Now if China were to want to dominate semiconductor manufacturing for now and forever they'd need Taiwan. But if they did that, the sanctions would roll in. They'd have to have assurances that they'd still have access to things like grain and neon gas.
Then they could corner the market, because countries like the U.S. don't even have proper chip manufacturing plants. Oh hey the U.S. just decided to call back all of their chip workers from China and do a mass ramp up of chip production.
I'm sure none of these things are related.
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u/manek101 Jun 23 '24
While Ukraine was the biggest producer of Neon, its present everywhere. If a country wants enough neon for semiconductor manufacturing, there are much cheaper options like opening their own freaking plant instead of an invasion
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u/Cool_Pride Jun 23 '24
Tsmc is already building a chip manufacturing plant, the first FAB is nearly finished.
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u/nickleback_official Jun 23 '24
Since this is a post about European innovation I need to point out that ASML and the Dutch had nothing to do with EUV which was invented by Americans. ASML only licenses the tech from the US government 🇺🇸
To address the challenge of EUV lithography, researchers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and Sandia National Laboratories were funded in the 1990s to perform basic research into the technical obstacles. The results of this successful effort were disseminated via a public/private partnership Cooperative R&D Agreement (CRADA) with the invention and rights wholly owned by the US government, but licensed and distributed under approval by DOE and Congress. The CRADA consisted of a consortium of private companies and the Labs, manifested as an entity called the Extreme Ultraviolet Limited Liability Company (EUV LLC).
Intel, Canon, and Nikon (leaders in the field at the time), as well as the Dutch company ASML and Silicon Valley Group (SVG) all sought licensing. Congress denied the Japanese companies the necessary permission as they were perceived as strong technical competitors at the time, and should not benefit from taxpayer-funded research at the expense of American companies. In 2001 SVG was acquired by ASML, leaving ASML as the sole benefactor of the critical technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ultraviolet_lithography?wprov=sfti1#History
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u/SoUthinkUcanRens Jun 24 '24
Ah yes, leave out the paragraphs that really tell who invented the EUV machines lol.. yes, Bell Labs researched and calculated that EUV litography was possible. But that's about it. This was in the 90s, you're just going to ignore almost 3 decades of research and innovation to make EUV FABs possible?
Researching a subject and finding/calculating a way that "should make it possible" in my eyes is not the same as actually inventing and producing the machine that does it.
Literally the next paragraph of your own link that you didn't quote lol:
By 2018, ASML succeeded in deploying the intellectual property from the EUV-LLC after several decades of developmental research, with incorporation of European-funded EUCLIDES (Extreme UV Concept Lithography Development System) and long-standing partner German optics manufacturer ZEISS and synchrotron light source supplier Oxford Instruments. This led MIT Technology Review to name it 'the machine that saved Moore's law'.[7] The first prototype in 2006 produced one wafer in 23 hours. As of 2022, a scanner produces up to 200 wafers per hour. The scanner uses Zeiss optics, which that company calls "the most precise mirrors in the world" and are produced by locating imperfections and then knocking off individual molecules with techniques such as ion beam figuring.[8]
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u/buddyboy137 Jun 23 '24 edited Jun 23 '24
Yes exactly this. For anyone interested in the microchip supply chain and the geopolitics around it, read the book ”chip war”.
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u/jctjepkema Jun 23 '24
Don’t forget the high power laser from Trumpf(german) that is made in the USA. How that laser is used in the new machines for example the exe 5000 is incredible. Where i worked we used to call it the pancake canon.
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u/StrangerAttractor Jun 23 '24
But Zeiss and Trumpf don't count because they aren't public companies s
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Jun 23 '24
I’d argue the innovation of taking a month off in the summer is at least as mind blowing as AI. I’ve got clients in Sweden and their just about to peace out for the entire month of July. They were like “don’t call or email us, we don’t care what happens”. Sick as hell.
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u/the_ammar Jun 23 '24
know a guy in France that will take 2 months off and delete his whole inbox when he gets back
"if it's urgent, someone's already handled it
if it's important, they'll just send it again
if it's neither, then I don't care"
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u/yace987 Jun 23 '24
Absolute minimum by law in France is 25 days of annual leave. My company gave 20 on top so I had 45 per year.
To be more accurate people don't work in August. In July you still have 50% of the people working.
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u/Senator-Dingdong Jun 23 '24
I have 25 in Austria, and we have something like 15 public holidays. Also I don't need a doctors certificate until the 3rd day I'm not at work, and even then if I'm sick I am sick. Sick days are not limited to 10 days a year or some medieval shit like that.
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u/JayIsNotReal Jun 23 '24
I get around a month in the US. My company maxes out at two months.
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u/hellofrommycubicle Jun 23 '24
I'm on the high end after 10+ years at my company, something like 20 days - talking to some friends though it's crazy how little time off companies get away with giving their employees.
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u/MazrimReddit Jun 23 '24
disgraceful, that is at least 2 work days to milk doing nothing but reading emails
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u/Zombisexual1 Jun 23 '24
I was watching “The Veil” and the American spy is ragging on the French spy’s like “some of us don’t work 6 hr days” or some shit and I was thinking, man those guys are pretty lucky
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u/angestkastabort Jun 23 '24
Sweden I take 1 month off during summer. Do the same thing. Not like I am going to go through 500+ emails.
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u/LucretiusCarus Jun 23 '24
That's the modus operandi of the greek public sector, too!
But year round
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u/larrylustighaha Jun 23 '24
In Germany every company I worked for offered 30-33 paid days off + public holidays + (nearly) unlimited sickdays. In my earlier career stages I could even transfer my overtime hours into paid days off. Did a 6 week trip through Asia while working in consulting.
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u/teasy959275 Jun 23 '24
Im french and the "limited sickdays" is just unbelievable to me
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u/Contundo Jun 23 '24
If you’re sick you’re sick. If you’re sick you stay home, don’t spread it to everyone at work.
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u/Boobcopter Jun 23 '24
(nearly) unlimited sickdays
German here, we don't have a concept of sickdays like it's used in America. The first 6 weeks of a year that you're sick, the employer pays your salary, afterwards the health insurance picks up the tab.
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u/larrylustighaha Jun 23 '24
yes which is what I meant by nearly unlimited as health insurance also won't cover full forever
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u/avalon68 Jun 23 '24
Pretty standard in much of Europe. I was horrified by the poor holidays when I worked in the USA.
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u/chetlin Jun 23 '24
lol I moved from the USA to Japan and I can't wait to get back to the great holidays and sick time I got in the US. ugh
The US might be worse than Europe but it really really sucks over here in Japan. And a number of the managers pushing this at my company are European too.
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u/avalon68 Jun 23 '24
I’ll never understand that mindset. Work to live, not live to work. If you got hit by a bus tomorrow you’d be replaced in a week and no one at work would even think of you a few months later. It’s no wonder Japan is struggling to get people to have kids
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u/iolmao Jun 23 '24
Same in Italy but in August. We don't have a full month of vacations per se but August is the month where people take days off. So offices are half empty, the one remained are basically chilling waiting to go on vacation, clients and suppliers are in the same condition so yeah, it's a very relaxed month.
From the latest weeks of July we start saying "we'll talk about that in September"
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u/a_smelly_ape Jun 23 '24
Living in Sweden, heading out for my 8 weeks payed vacation tomorrow, feels great. everyone has 25days by law, but depending on occupation/age etc it can be alot longer, i had 3 months last year because i only took 1 month the year before that.
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u/patbpixx Jun 23 '24
Europoor here with 32 days of paid leave per year. I also work a lot abroad so i was already spending 3 months in Spain this year alone. Also, everybody here in Austria actually gets 14 salaries per year - double paycheck in summer so everybody can have a nice holiday, double paycheck in winter for everybody to have a nice christmas.
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u/youngchul Jun 23 '24
The salary thing is kind of a gimmick though, it just means that your salary is spread over 14 months instead of 12.
Like forced savings because some people don’t know to save up themselves.
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u/clawjelly Jun 23 '24
I can't bet on Johann's vacation
Sure you can. You can bet he ain't answering!
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u/ValtekkenPartDeux Jun 23 '24
Ain't that great? You guys should try it sometime, it does wonders for stress levels
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u/wangsigns Jun 23 '24
Fuck yes. This year im taking 8 weeks vacation combined with parental leave over the summer. /happy swede
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u/mikeytho1 Jun 23 '24
The 16 probably gonna look the exact same too. Maybe a new color though 😂
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u/CertifiedDruid333 Jun 23 '24
That non innovation make a tons of money.
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u/blender4life Jun 23 '24
I don't know which one is smarter. Being really innovative and making a ton of money or not doing shit and making a ton of money lolol
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u/OnceMoreAndAgain Jun 23 '24
You wanting them to grow arms or something? What stupidity to imply that the new versions are the same as the old ones due to their external shells looking the same.
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u/dodo-likes-you Jun 23 '24
No one really is betting against American hardcore capitalism. Happy to invest into that. As long as Americans are willing to suffer from the system for me to take benefits go for it. I’ll sip on my PET bottle meanwhile 😂
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u/SB_90s Jun 23 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Me watching my investment accounts moon from US stocks while sipping margaritas during my month-long PTO in Europe 😎.
Live in Europe, invest in the US, retire in developed Asia (Japan, Singapore, or Korea) is my life plan. The latter countries are some of the best places to live as long as you don't have to work and have enough to afford a house. Me and my fiance go on holiday to Asia at least once a year.
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u/senzon74 Jun 23 '24
Good luck retiring in Singapore if you are anything less than a millionaire
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u/sonic_sabbath Jun 23 '24
Really? I live in Japan but plan to retire elsewhere because the weather here is shit
Too much fucking rain, and when there isn't rain it is too humid
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u/White_Puma_Sock Jun 23 '24
This comment will influence my future life decisions. Thank you
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u/OmicidalAI Jun 23 '24
Boy by the time ur retired the entire planet will be one single country controlled by the ArchAI. You will-own nothing. you will be happy.
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u/CertifiedDruid333 Jun 23 '24
Thats the goal ! 🎯Same for me but I like Brazil. Maybe one day I can live while collecting dividend in 💵 because the cost of life is cheap compare to Europe.
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u/FormedOpinion Jun 23 '24
What EU did with bottles Its not innovation, its called regulation.
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u/Melon_Mann Jun 23 '24
Wow this took me back to the European elections ridiculous propaganda
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u/Ooops2278 Jun 23 '24
That's an interesting way way of stating "I'm too stupid to understand that I can turn the bottle".
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u/magicthegatheringjam Jun 23 '24
We know how to make planes that stay in the sky though
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u/aTuaMaeFodeBem Jun 23 '24
Also invented automobiles that make Americans whole personality and cities.
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u/schubeg Jun 23 '24
I don't think anyone but the ultra wealthy drive automobiles as they were originally built in Europe. It was Henry Ford, an American, that enabled the entire European modern car industry.
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u/themoodymann Jun 23 '24
I wish it was only the bottle cap. My favorite invention is the cookie acceptance click.
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u/Kinu4U Jun 23 '24
At least when i call 112 (911) i don't go bankrupt when back at home.
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u/Thelostsoulinkorea Jun 23 '24
This whole post is like something out of shitamericanssay
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u/YusoLOCO Jun 23 '24
The machines that make Nvidia GPU possible was invented and are made in Europe by ASML...
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u/ejitifrit1 Jun 23 '24
The EUV tech they use in those machines was developed by National Labs in the US though!
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u/Opeth4Lyfe Jun 23 '24
Lawrence Livermore? I know a guy who tests and messes with lasers n shit like that there as a job lol.
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u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le Jun 23 '24
Made possible by acquiring the lasers from a startup in San Diego
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u/BenevolentCrows Jun 23 '24
inagine thinking nvidia and microchips are american merit, and not huge international multis. The non removable cap hovewer is fucked up.
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u/HoboBromeo Jun 23 '24
No it's brilliant. By this simple move you cut the number of plastic waste in half. That's a 50% reduction of plastic parts. Quick maffs
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u/imrickjamesbioch Jun 23 '24
Well the french did invent Menage a trois! That’s pretty hard to beat if you ask me…
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u/KingGongzilla Jun 23 '24
Imagine having a good quality of life and free healthcare
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u/DixonDs Jun 23 '24
So you guys make the S&P 500 go up while we invest into it and have a good quality of life and free healthcare. Sounds good? Cool
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u/1729patrick Jun 23 '24
Good quality of life but almost unable to afford an apartment… or you have to leave 50% of your salary on the table to get ‘free’ healthcare that almost never works well.
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u/Srcunch Jun 23 '24
Right? I’d rather pay the $80/mo or whatever for my healthcare than an additional 8% of my salary.
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u/Threekneepulse Jun 23 '24
Every European country is going to start to do worse and worse as the number of retirees shoots up from the large baby boomer population. You guys are dying and many of you are still blind to it. Look how Japan will collapse in the upcoming 20 years and understand that your future is the same.
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u/jascambara Jun 23 '24
Just live in one of those states that has a higher HDI rating than Germany and some of those Scandinavian countries. Lol yall act like the US is just one huge monolith.
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u/justinclaws Jun 23 '24
Dude not everyone in America is in the working class. I bet 90% of white-collar Americans have life easier and have way more money than 99% of Europe
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u/Super-Government6796 Jun 23 '24
I hate those new bottle caps, I realized I'm old because I started to hate change from the moment I first came into contact with them xd
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u/mr-english Jun 23 '24
I've mostly got used to them now. The only ones I hate are the ones on big juice cartons because the flat shape of the carton means there's nowhere for the cap to go when you want to swig.
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u/space-time-invader Jun 23 '24
As a European, ol leather man jensen is building my pension. Much appreciated
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u/Southern_Meaning4942 Jun 23 '24
I always enjoy traveling to the US. Especially when I’m in an airplane that has all its doors and windows still in place.
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u/Lawineer Jun 23 '24 edited Jun 23 '24
I’m an American in Europe right now. That drink cap thing is annoying. It rubs against your face when you drink. And I’m not a moron so I don’t throw away my cap before I’m done with the bottle so it adds no value.
Edit: showed this meme to my gf. “God that is annoying as fuck!” And she is a teacher who curses very rarely
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u/HealthyFly1561 Jun 23 '24
I wonder why they invented this cap. Has Europe so many morons?
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u/Gravbar Jun 23 '24
Honestly I hate those caps. Always get in the way of me drinking the damn thing.
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u/-boatsNhoes Jun 23 '24
How? Like physically how? Are you trying to throat the bottle or something?
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u/One_Pilot2839 Jun 23 '24
You know you struck a nerve when the Europeans bring up healthcare or gun control out of nowhere
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u/wallstreet_vagabond2 Jun 23 '24
"Haha Europe is silly"
"Fuck you I hope all your family go bankrupt from school shootings"
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u/Arborstone Jun 23 '24
Good luck building that without EUV lithography from the Dutch (EU) company ASML. More than ten years ahead in research and development.
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