r/tuesday • u/tuesday_mod This lady's not for turning • 23d ago
Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - December 9, 2024
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u/N0RedDays Liberal Conservative 16d ago
I think Tiktok being shut banned will do wonders for my productivity and also give the innumerable morons on it the chance to finally touch grass. I’m so tired of hearing about UFOs and whatever else these idiots have latched on to
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u/Chemical-Oil-7259 Conservative Liberal 16d ago
Staggering story about how an oil company generating billions/yr in revenue got nerfed by an Indian scammer: https://www.ft.com/content/eb3b3ea1-5aaa-4136-8f02-01b76fc8f405
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u/wheelsnipecelly23 Left Visitor 16d ago
Lol Larry Hogan took a video of “drones” above his house and grandstanded about how the government needs to act now when it was actually just the constellation Orion.
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite 17d ago
Crazy thought, but maybe don't outsource your pardon power to an ultra-liberal activist group for a crappy gimmick if you don't want to be embarrassed by the results
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 17d ago
So, despite what the CEO killer did, his main goal was achieved: He sent a very loud political message and now we are discussing our healthcare system and it's genuine flaws.
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u/Spurgeoniskindacool Right Visitor 16d ago
The genuine flaws are there because of government. Less government not more government is the solution.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 16d ago
I'm sure there are some issues that could be resolved with less government, but I try not to boil it down to "less government not more" and just look at the issue as is.
After recent events, I think it would be healthier if we added a regulation requiring health insurance companies to publically show their denial rates when purchasing healthcare options.
How can I, as a shopper, make an informed purchasing decision when they hide information like that?
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 17d ago
Crystal Mangum, the former exotic dancer who accused three Duke men’s lacrosse players of rape in 2006, igniting a national firestorm, now says she lied about the encounter.
“I testified falsely against them by saying that they raped me when they didn’t, and that was wrong. And I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people who believed in me,” Mangum said on the web show “Let’s Talk with Kat,” hosted by Katerena DePasquale.
The interview took place at the North Carolina Correctional Institution for Women, where Mangum is serving time for a 2013 second-degree murder conviction for stabbing her boyfriend.
The three were arrested following the woman’s allegations of sexual assault at a party. The charges brought broad media attention, forced the cancellation of the team’s 2006 season, and cost coach Mike Pressler his job.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 17d ago
To help policymakers achieve deficit reduction, the Committee for a Responsible Budget is publishing a series listing policy options to reduce the deficit or use as offsets.
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u/JustKidding456 Believes Jesus is Messiah & God; Centre-right 17d ago
To /r/tuesday: Have a blessed week ahead.
Gospel According to Luke, 7:18–28 (ESV):
Messengers from John the Baptist
The disciples of John reported all these things to him. And John, calling two of his disciples to him, sent them to the Lord, saying, “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?” And when the men had come to him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to you, saying, ‘Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?’” In that hour he healed many people of diseases and plagues and evil spirits, and on many who were blind he bestowed sight. And he answered them, “Go and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, the poor have good news preached to them. And blessed is the one who is not offended by me.”
When John’s messengers had gone, Jesus began to speak to the crowds concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? What then did you go out to see? A man dressed in soft clothing? Behold, those who are dressed in splendid clothing and live in luxury are in kings’ courts. What then did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is he of whom it is written, “‘Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way before you.’ I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
Third Sunday in Advent: Gospel Reading (CPH The Lutheran Study Bible) : https://www.reddit.com/r/Sunday/comments/1hdzhwf/
Third Sunday in Advent: Reflections on Scripture (video, American Lutheran Theological Seminary) : https://www.reddit.com/r/Sunday/comments/1hdzgss/
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 18d ago
Working as a cook at my job, I really do like preparing meals and sometimes wonder if I would be happier being a Michelin Star cook.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 17d ago
You ever see any cockroaches at work?
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 17d ago
No?
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 17d ago
That's good.
Not a cook, but my last job had a kitchen with occasional roaches.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 17d ago
My last job at my theater had a problem with rats. Sometimes they liked to jump into the popcorn bins and roll around in it.
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u/TheCarnalStatist Centre-right 16d ago
Little guy probably had the time of his life with that. The customers however..
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u/Sir-Matilda Ming the Merciless 18d ago
We could've had her as President.... 😥
Paging through intelligence reports just weeks after she was sworn in as vice president, Kamala Harris was struck by the way two female foreign leaders were described. The reports used adjectives that, in her view, were rarely used to describe male leaders.
Ms. Harris, the first woman to hold her office, ordered up a review that scrutinized multiple years of briefing reports from various intelligence agencies, looking for possible gender bias.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 17d ago
So we pay highly qualified people and give them access to our most secret intelligence data, so that they can help our leadership get inside the heads of foreign leaders, and the response when they do that is "you're sexist?" I'm sure that's conducive to the transparent and frank analysis that's needed in these sorts of jobs.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 18d ago
The fact that I can barely understand this nonsense proves how stupid that is.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 18d ago
Recent advances in CAR T cell therapy are super exciting.
Layman's summary: CAR T cell therapy is a cancer treatment where the patient's T cells are extracted and genetically modified with new receptors that allow them to bind to the (specific) cancer cells. T cells are then reintroduced to the patient and go to work.
So far CAR T cell therapy is pretty much only used in blood cancers, because the environment in solid tumors is inhospitable to T cells. However, new techniques are being developed that appear to have the potential to increase the cells' effectiveness and resilience.
Individualized cancer treatment at the cellular level.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 18d ago
For anyone interested we have an atlas of Minneapolis from 1914 at work.
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u/DerangedPrimate Right Visitor 18d ago
This is lovely. I understand that it's obsolete from a use perspective, but it's very aesthetically pleasing to me.
If you're willing to share, why did you have this at work?
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 18d ago
I have no idea why it's here. Our company is very old, started in the latter half of the 19th century, but has never been part of urban planning.
I'll ask one of our older employees on Monday about why we have it. They have a similarly long local family history, so its a good bet they know something.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 18d ago
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 18d ago
As goes California, so goes the nation.
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u/DustySandals Neoconservative 17d ago
The handgun roster is one the stupidest things this state does.
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right 18d ago
https://x.com/jamiedupree/status/1867667138242310242?s=46&t=ORIpMJDxUeZOGLwe9AIhAg
Finally some sensible policy. DST is ridiculous and should be abolished.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 18d ago
The United Kingdom on Wednesday indefinitely banned new prescriptions of puberty blockers to treat minors for gender dysphoria.
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u/Sir-Matilda Ming the Merciless 18d ago
Good to see.
The evidence that it is a safe and effective treatment for gender dysphoria really isn't there and the manner in which teenagers are rushed through into unproven treatments despite questions over whether they give informed consent or fully comprehend the consequences the treatments will have for them is genuinely scary.
The experimentation on kids to appease the egos of trans-activists is going to end in tears and I hope more countries follow this lead.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 18d ago
The Grauniad has an op-ed claiming the UHC CEO’s shooter is “the median American voter” because he’s a “ politically homeless moderate” and that this “should terrify us all.”
So apparently all of us are terrorists and we just didn’t know it! My lifetime lack of killing anyone is apparently just a clever ruse!
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 18d ago
Senate Democrats were livid after Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) and Joe Manchin (I-W.Va.), two longtime members of their caucus, voted Wednesday to block President Biden’s nominee, Lauren McFerran, to serve another five-year term on the National Labor Relations Board.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 18d ago
The McDonald's restaurant where the man charged in the killing of UnitedHealthcare's CEO was arrested on Monday has hired private security to protect workers.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 18d ago edited 18d ago
Been seeing this image posted around Reddit and I would just like to remind everyone that what followed after the French Revolution was known as the Reign of Terror where the government executed many individuals who were suspected of opposing the Revolution.
Edit: I should clarify I'm not condoning this, but rather am saying be careful what you wish for.
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u/IndubitablyThoust Right Visitor 17d ago
My favorite thing about the French Revolution and leftists using it for their propaganda is that it ended up with an Emperor in charge, Napoleon. KInda like how Commie revolutions keep ending up with dictators in control.
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u/Spurgeoniskindacool Right Visitor 18d ago
ive seen amoral people on reddit saying the reign of terror wasnt that bad, and those people deserved it...
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right 19d ago
If PSLF gets touched by this administration, arrowfan624 is going to go full crusade and become the political activist he never wanted to be to ensure he gets his damn loan forgiveness.
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u/N0RedDays Liberal Conservative 18d ago
Axing PSLF is about the dumbest thing one could do. Unfortunately I won’t be eligible because my first job after PA School will be in private practice
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 18d ago
It'd be such a smooth-brain move. Pulling the carrot from people, a large majority of which agreed to work for substantially worse compensation than their private counterparts, is a great way to lose millions of votes.
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican 19d ago
I'm struggling to figure out if people claiming the public was "forced" to act with violence generally do not understand the significant changes to health insurance/care we have had in the last 30 years, weren't alive long enough to notice the change, or just ignoring it because it's inconvenient to their desire to endorse political assassination.
They're all dangerous options, but I do think whichever flavor it is matters.
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite 19d ago
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1866766638953140733?t=2L674aRVmqd8WtLWgcE1Gg&s=19
The comming Musk-RFK Jr clash is going to be insane
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 18d ago
Have we ever seen a president fill their cabinet with so many people that have so many completely conflicting viewpoints before? I know it's pretty normal for presidents to have a token member of the other party in their cabinet so they can claim bipartisanship, but this level from Trump I don't think I've seen before.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 19d ago edited 19d ago
Venn diagram of people who demanded Chauvin be arrested and charged because "just because George Floyd was a bad guy, doesn't mean he deserved to be murdered in cold blood", and people who are mad at the snitch who turned in Luigi because "that CEO had it coming".
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u/Spurgeoniskindacool Right Visitor 18d ago
Ah yes. Police shouldn't be jury, judge and executioner but it's okay for some random person to be that.
Reddit has lost all semblance of morality.
Don't get me wrong, I have issues with police brutality. Police shouldn't be jury, judge and executioner, but neither should a random dude.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 18d ago
It's been really frustrating talking with people in real life and having to defend the idea that "murder is bad and we should not celebrate it".
Multiple things can be true at the same time, more people need to understand this. It is not that nuanced of a concept.
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u/WeaknessOne9646 Right Visitor 19d ago
Feel like abortion kind of addressed violence vs voting as means of activism
I say this as someone pro choice but bombing abortion clinics got opponents nowhere but on terror watch lists while 40 years of voting Republican overturned Roe
Do with that information what you will
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u/DerrickWhiteMVP Conservatarian 19d ago
Look at some of these comments. People are literally arguing now that there’s a left-leaning and right-leaning populism. Horseshoe Theory.
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u/Spurgeoniskindacool Right Visitor 19d ago
Ive been calling trump a populist since the primaries the first time he won.
Populism isnt a political position is a method of attaining power.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 19d ago
I mean, there definitely is left-leaning and right-leaning populism, and they are both bad in different ways.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 19d ago
r tuesday discord, when?
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 19d ago
In South Korean news, the president's party is now backing his impeachment. They refused to back it at first because they said they wanted to force him to resign, but since he's refused, they now will vote to remove him. The military leaders have also said that they would refuse his orders if he ordered them to enact martial law again, and he's likely to face treason charges, and if convicted he could face the death penalty.
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u/Viper_ACR Left Visitor 19d ago
TIL SK has the death penalty
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 19d ago
They have a log history (by RoK standards) of executing their presidents.
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u/WeaknessOne9646 Right Visitor 20d ago
Brickell, Florida (downtown Miami)
Majority Hispanic, even larger majority college educated
2008: Obama 57-42
2012: Obama 59-40
2016: Clinton 68-30
2020: Biden 60-39
2024: Trump 50-48
Miami is basically Latin America now with urban cores and people in high rises voting conservative
It was a joke at first but kinda curious what Hillary was cooking among Hispanics. I know one Latina nurse practitioner (around age 45)---family friend who was born in Mexico and is Jehovah's Witness and thus nonvoting. Her only presidential vote was for Hillary in 2016 because she thought Trump was going to deport all the Mexicans (even legal ones), then that didn't happen and her finances were the best they've ever been/was able to start a side business/have another kid. Said she'd have voted Trump 2020 and 2024 if she had to have chosen
I wonder how much of the 2016 peak is this phenomenon versus the legacy of Bill or something specific she did to target them
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u/PubliusVA Constitutional Conservative 19d ago
It was a joke at first but kinda curious what Hillary was cooking among Hispanics.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 20d ago
. . . the fuck? Let me get this straight. A post where people are unironically using "STEMlord" to excuse a man's murder is "a really good stickied post?"
Reported as non-center-right. The entire fucking internet has gone insane. Apparently the sitewide rule of not glorifying violence is a lie, provided the "right people" die. Let's see if this sub chooses differently.
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 19d ago edited 19d ago
Dude Reddit is nuts supporting the shooter. Like, while I felt bad for the guys family I wasn’t gonna waste any tears over a health insurance CEO and I can’t really blame anyone for feeling the same
But like hero worshipping the shooter is insane, like he just shot the dude in the back that’s still wrong
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u/nemo_sum Lifelong Independent 19d ago edited 19d ago
comments != post
I don't think it's a good post, either, but mentioning it here isn't rule-breaking, given the relaxation of Rule 1 in the DT
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 19d ago
FWIW, I was banned for a few days for advocating Illiberalism even though I felt like I was just bluntly stating why we're in this mess in the first place.
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u/TheGentlemanlyMan British Neoconservative 19d ago
Your 'blunt statements' skirted far too close to "Well if CEOs didn't want to get shot..."
We didn't excuse J6 politically motivated violence, we didn't excuse Charlottesville, we didn't excuse pandemic rioting, we didn't excuse the Trump assassination attempt, we're not excusing a man being gunned down in broad daylight just because he was the 'right' person to die in the opinions of the warped and twisted minds of the Reddit and Internet hivemind.
Political violence of any kind is unacceptable within a liberal democratic framework. We will uphold that as strongly as possible.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 18d ago edited 18d ago
I'll admit I probably crossed the line, I don't want to imply I condone the violence, because I'd rather stop this shit right here and not it let it escalate any further, just look at school shootings. However, it is a predictable behavioral pattern because, as a nation, we are not mentally well collectively.
But it's that what, we've been debating about healthcare for the better part of a decade now? We all know it's broken but there seems to be no political will to fix it. We could even make the for-profit healthcare system less shitty by making denial rates public, because how can I, a shopper, make an informed decision on what plan to purchase when I don't know how often they denial and for what specific reasons.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 19d ago
Amazing that being anti-murder is now a rarity among Reddit mods.
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u/the_Demongod Right Visitor 19d ago
I don't think this situation is even categorizable in current political doctrine, and it's a mistake to attempt to. This is a little spark of a bona fide class war, as detached from mainstream political BS as anything has been in years. When was the last time the left was cheering the actions of a right wing terrorist like this? I can't think of any. This is a unifying and rallying moment around a familiar set of ideological battle lines that has been lost to time as both parties attempt to court it in a superficial and distorted way while continuing to owe allegiance to the corporate backing they need to win these two-party elections. This event has brought this question back into the limelight in a very direct way.
It's going to be fascinating to see what the political parties latch onto as their key issues, we're already seeing the signs of a major flip as the GOP courts labor and the Democrats are forced to reckon with the fact that their worship of degenerating social ideologies lost to a mediocre Republican platform and will probably continue to for the foreseeable future.
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite 19d ago
This is a little spark of a bona fide class war, as detached from mainstream political BS as anything has been in years
What's funny is it's more like class civil war (with a twist that Brian was self-made and from the middle of nowhere wheras Luigi is the definition of priviliged rich kid), but thats really how it always is with the upper middle class.
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u/the_Demongod Right Visitor 19d ago
Their origins are frankly irrelevant, the fact that someone was a plucky small town boy who grows up to be the CEO of a reviled multibillion dollar corporation that has a track record of screwing people over for profit doesn't make him more endearing to anyone. And if anything the fact that even a privileged and well-connected rich kid is brought down by health insurance in the face of a hereditary chronic pain condition is symbolic, when extrapolated to the average working-class person in the same situation.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 19d ago
Democrats are forced to reckon with the fact that their worship of degenerating social ideologies lost to a mediocre Republican platform and will probably continue to for the foreseeable future.
Would stand if every other nation also didn't also unseat the incumbent parties due to inflation. (Which is the take closest to the truth imo)
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite 20d ago
If it's this one https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/OmZjPakapc
Then I'm not really understanding? It's pretty solid, especially the mod sticky
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 19d ago
If there is one thing we can hopefully agree on, denial rates should be public information when purchasing healthcare.
The right talks about how prices should be transparent so we can make informed decisions, so should denial rates.
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u/Sir-Matilda Ming the Merciless 20d ago
I see Elizabeth Warren was out promoting violence and vigilantism. Because damage done to norms and institutions is just limited to the GOP and populist right....
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u/Soarin-Flyin Classical Liberal 19d ago
Gives “if you didn’t want to get sexually assaulted you shouldn’t have dressed like that” vibes.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 20d ago
Consumer prices were up 2.7% for the 12 months ended in November, moving higher from the 2.6% annual increase seen in October and marking the highest annual rate since July, according to the latest Consumer Price Index data released Wednesday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian 20d ago
I'm going to be angry if the Fed keeps cutting. This last one was probably a mistake.
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right 19d ago
The fucking bank failure last year screwed me so hard out of some nice extra HYSA savings.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 20d ago
Agreed, especially since Trump is promising to ramp up inflationary policies. Cutting more seems like a major mistake.
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian 20d ago
I remember having this discussion with people in early 2020.
Supply side issues shouldn't be something the Fed reacts to. The Fed's job is, ultimately, to manage aggregate demand and drops in real production (=aggregate supply) aren't something it can effect. Tariffs (and other taxes; hence why aggressive tax cutters are 'supply siders') are a supply side intervention, so Trump's tariffs shouldn't (ideally) have any effect on Fed policy, even if they effect prices.
To the extent that the Republican Congresses continues our ongoing record of fiscal irresponsibility (which I expect), that is demand side and the Fed should engage in fiscal offset, which means keeping rates higher than they would be otherwise, but we'll see how that goes.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 20d ago
"See, but you said 'supply side,' which are the Reagan words! Reagan words bad!!" -Reddit, probably
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u/TychoTiberius Right Visitor 20d ago
>Supply side issues shouldn't be something the Fed reacts to.
Blame the structure of the dual mandate. The FED is legally compelled to act when either employment or prices move too much in the wrong direction regardless of if the cause was on the demand or the supply side.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 20d ago
A federal bankruptcy judge has rejected the sale of Alex Jones’s Infowars platform to satirical news website the Onion, ruling Tuesday that the November court-ordered auction of Jones’s website lacked transparency.
The decision capped a two-day hearing that stretched late into the night in U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Christopher Lopez’s Houston courtroom.
“I don’t think anyone acted in bad faith here. I think everyone was trying to buy an asset and put their best foot forward and play by the rules,” Lopez said as he delivered his decision. The judge took issue with the lack of transparency from the sealed bidding process selected by the court-appointed trustee Christopher Murray, who was overseeing the sale of Jones’s assets. The judge added that he was troubled that the process, however well intended, “did not maximize value in any way, based on the record before me.”
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u/coldnorthwz New Federalism\Zombie Reaganite 21d ago
Down with certificate of need laws:
https://x.com/GaryWinslett/status/1866661997145723062?t=xUwQHTuF8eoS6cxsl74NNA&s=19
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u/whelpineedhelp Left Visitor 20d ago
Wow, thanks for teaching me something new. Did not know these existed.
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u/Soarin-Flyin Classical Liberal 20d ago
It’s thing like this that I wish got more attention. There are tons of bullshit protectionist shit encoded into law that artificially fucks things up. Not even just in healthcare, it’s everywhere.
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u/redditthrowaway1294 Right Visitor 20d ago
Agreed. There's a few places where protectionism makes sense imo, usually in things with second order national security effects. But stuff like this just seems like needlessly stifling competition.
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u/DerrickWhiteMVP Conservatarian 21d ago
As the days go by, the more Horseshoe Theory is proving to be true.
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u/IndubitablyThoust Right Visitor 20d ago
Authoritarianism, stupidity, and populism is present in every ideology.
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u/Mal5341 Conservatarian 21d ago
Day by day I have to explain to people that the reasons I hate Trump are the same reasons I hated Obama.
And day by day they just don't fucking get it.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 20d ago
I totally understand hating Trump, and I totally understand hating Obama, but I don't understand hating them for the same reasons. I'm curious about this so can you explain?
The reasons I hate Trump are very much unique to Trump (and a few other Republicans like Kari Lake who seem to be equally happy to want a right wing dictatorship).
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u/Viper_ACR Left Visitor 21d ago
Bernie saying he'd vote for Tulsi Gabbard is some dumb shit yo
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 20d ago
Bernie is just trying to turn Republican Senators against her but giving her his support.
But seriously, this is the type of sleaze that makes people just hate politics. Sure, Tulsi is probably a Russian asset, can't pass a security check, and will probably get US intelligence assets killed if she gets that job, but she endorsed me in 2016 so since she scratched my back I'll scratch hers.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 21d ago
Bernie
saying he'd vote for Tulsi Gabbardis some dumb shit yoFTFY.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 21d ago
That moment when people finally realize that the Venn Diagram is actually a circle...
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 21d ago
“People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud, how about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us,” Walter ‘Hawk’ Newsome, a BLM leader who describes himself as Jordan Neely’s uncle and was in the courtroom every day of the trial, said outside the Manhattan courthouse.
“Just like everybody else seeks justice on their own. Just like everybody else has vigilantes. We need some black vigilantes,” he told reporters and protesters who had turned out daily in support of Neely during the weekslong trial.
“F—k America. How dare you laugh and cheer when someone gets away with murdering us,” Newsome added, apparently referencing the applause that erupted in the courtroom after the verdict. “Racists: burn in hell.”
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u/DerrickWhiteMVP Conservatarian 21d ago edited 21d ago
I’m going to lobby for federal regulations for interstates to require three lanes. Two-lane interstates get so fucked from accidents and semi-trucks on the shoulder. Going to be stuck on I-24 for a fucking hour.
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u/bta820 Left Visitor 21d ago
Adding lanes really doesn’t fix it
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u/DerangedPrimate Right Visitor 21d ago
I have strong urbanist sympathies, and I'd agree in urban/suburban environments, but I think this would actually be very helpful for the Interstates carrying large amounts of long-distance freight traffic, like I-40 and I-24 in Tennessee. I-40 between Memphis and Jackson has consistently been packed with 18-wheelers every time I've driven that stretch, despite there being only a handful of small towns along the way.
Most, if not all, roads in the UK motorway system are three lanes in each direction.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 21d ago
I live only about 10 miles past the 3lane to 2lane reduction on I-35 in MN and gawd damn if it isn't torture when there's a crash on the 2 lane section.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 22d ago edited 22d ago
Aaaaannd belay my last . . . now it's coming out that the weapon frame AND the suppressor were 3D-printed. I'm just going to grab my popcorn for the inevitable shitfight over the relevance of the NFA and be glad 3D-printed/80-percent firearms aren't my jam. Because legal or not, that crowd is probably about to get screwed HARD.
I stand by my "jank-ass suppressor" prognostication.
ABC News: "[The suspect] had a ghost gun capable of firing a 9 mm round and a suppressor, police said. The gun and suppressor were 'consistent with the weapon used in the murder,' NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch said. The gun 'may have been made on a 3D printer,' police said."
Motherfucker, that looks an awful lot like a bog-standard Glock 19 with a threaded barrel and possibly an obliterated serial number. Literally one of the most commonly-owned handguns in America, aside from the whole "committing a Federal felony getting rid of the serial" part. But it has a polymer frame, so here we go with "ooga booga ghost gun." It wasn't the oober-scary spy gun we were led to believe, so they need some nexus to "gunz bad."
Bet he had some jank-ass "solvent trap" setup too. I'm not publicizing the dirtbag's name because I don't believe in that sort of thing. He must not have a middle name, though, given how the media normally works with such things.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor 20d ago
I imagine at a state level there might be some new laws.
But passing gun control laws with an upcoming Republican administration seems like political suicide, even for Trump.
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u/Viper_ACR Left Visitor 22d ago
Not sure if anyone saw but there's a lot of reports/news about the rebels (HTS and others) freeing prisoners from the notorious Sednaya prison.
Legit it's like a Holocaust death camp in the 21st century. Like the Khmer Rouge killing fields but in the Middle East.
Egypt prisons are terrifying but this place was hell on earth.
Legit I want to see the CIA kidnap Bashar from Moscow and bring him to Syria or the UN for trial. Normally I'd recommend the ICC but Israel makes things a lot more complicated
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u/N0RedDays Liberal Conservative 22d ago
This is so damn funny
https://x.com/guypbenson/status/1866162699446735128
All the Reddit tards were praising this guy saying how smart he was, how he’d never be caught. They find him at a McDonald’s in Pennsylvania with not only the gun, the suppressor, and fake IDs, but his MANIFESTO too.
I bet $5 he’s some ultra-woke leftist with a BMI of like 15.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 22d ago edited 22d ago
Lol, he didn't ditch the weapon and fake IDs? Honestly I could see him making a pretty decent "you can't actually prove that was me" defense otherwise, but it sounds like they have him dead to rights.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 22d ago
The person of interest nabbed in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson is an anti-capitalist Ivy League grad who liked online quotes from “Unabomber’’ Ted Kaczynski.
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u/psunavy03 Conservative 22d ago
Dollars to donuts all the major subs will be simping all over his "manifesto" once it gets leaked . . .
Also standing by to see what kind of jank-ass setup he ended up running as opposed to any kind of actual permitted NFA gear.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 22d ago
I doubt it does get leaked. A lot of times things like that aren't made public if the case isn't dependent on them. The Las Vegas shooter had tons of handwritten papers on a desk in his hotel room that were never made public.
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u/epicfail1994 Left Visitor 🦄 22d ago
So my PTO resets and we have the 1st off, probably going to give myself a week off at the start of the year.
Don’t have the money to go anywhere, no longer have anyone to go with, but a break will hopefully help a bit.
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 22d ago
Penny not guilty.
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u/Viper_ACR Left Visitor 22d ago
I finally got around to watching some of the video, it seems like Penny was trying to do a rear naked choke on Neely. It's generally not supposed to be lethal.
Id need to watch the rest of whatever video is available of the actual incident.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 21d ago
I'm not like some expert or anything, but I have some martial arts experience and a number of chokes absolutely are lethal if locked in for very long. I've seen people pass out in less than 10 seconds from a rear naked choke before. The issue isn't that it prevents you from breathing, it's that it cuts off blood from getting to your brain. You have maybe 15 seconds top before permanent damage is done, and for some people it'd absolutely be lethal depending on their medical history.
I haven't watched the video though, I'm only speaking from my experience.
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u/Viper_ACR Left Visitor 21d ago
Let me rephrase- if you release the chokehold your opponent will be fine, it's not supposed to be *immediately* fatal
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 22d ago edited 22d ago
Trump is now promising to pardon all the J6 insurrectionists and to try to imprison the members of congress who were part of the oversight committee.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/12/08/trump-january-6-biden-jack-smith/
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u/PubliusVA Constitutional Conservative 22d ago
try to imprison
Paywalled article, but did he actually say anything different from what is reported in this article about his NBC interview?
Members of the House committee that examined the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were “political thugs and, you know, creeps,” committing offenses in going about their work, he said.
“For what they did, honestly, they should go to jail,” Trump said.
Asked if he would direct the Justice Department and FBI to punish them, Trump said, “No, not at all. I think that they’ll have to look at that, but I’m not going to — I’m going to focus on drill, baby, drill” — a reference to tapping more oil supplies.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna182858
Trump routinely says things like “they oughta be in jail” without meaning he will actually try to imprison those people. We saw it with Hillary Clinton in his last term.
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u/NonComposMentisss Left Visitor 22d ago
He said they should be jailed, he did not explicitly say he would order them to be jailed. I'm 100% sure that his DoJ yes man will still assign a special prosecutor to instigate it. Whether Trump specifically tells him to or not (if he does, there will never be proof that it happened anyway).
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u/mdaniel018 Left Visitor 22d ago
Well, perhaps we shouldn’t normalize the president of the United States calling for his political opponents to be jailed
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u/redditthrowaway1294 Right Visitor 22d ago
Past that point already.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor 22d ago
Forgive me if I'm not remembering them, what investigations into Trump did Biden direct?
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u/redditthrowaway1294 Right Visitor 22d ago edited 22d ago
Look, I get what you mean since he's senile and doesn't seem to have been running his admin but the DOJ is still part of the executive branch technically under his command.
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u/PubliusVA Constitutional Conservative 22d ago
Agree! The question remains whether what he actually said is that the oversight committee members deserve to be in jail (which would be bad) or that he would try to imprison them (which would be worse).
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u/Sir-Matilda Ming the Merciless 23d ago
Thanks Trump...
Some of [Assad's] advisers recommended that he accept the indirect US offer to sever ties with Iran in return for the lifting of sanctions, Barabandi says. But Assad held firm, he says, thinking he might get a better deal once President-elect Donald Trump was in office. As rebels raced south towards the Syrian capital, Iran began withdrawing its forces and Assad’s time ran out. (Via WaPo.)
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right 23d ago
Uno
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u/cyberklown28 Environmentalist 22d ago
Congrats on making the playoffs.
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u/arrowfan624 Center-right 22d ago
Playoffs? You’re talking to me about playoffs?!I just hope we can win another game! (The playoff game).
I will move heaven and earth to make sure I get a ticket.
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u/Nklst Liberal Conservative 16d ago
If you don't like criminals being pardoned then don't give that power to presidents in an unlimited manner.
Also, brought by truly the worst article by Jonah I have read in a while, advocating for impeachment because president did a legal thing.
You can think that legal thing is immoral, doesn't make it less legal.
A lot of stuff is legal but immoral, and illegal but essentially not immoral.
(Me reserving my nitzchean believes about moral for some other time and place)