Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - December 2, 2024

[u/tuesday_mod]

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Previous Discussion Thread

[u/N0RedDays]

UHC CEO shot in broad daylight and people are happy. Even on the medical subreddits. As if all of the issues with American healthcare can be isolated to executives. People are insane.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/N0RedDays]

Are they insane, or are they just responding naturally to how fucked our healthcare system is and no one seems interested in fixing it?

[u/N0RedDays → u/Vagabond_Texan]

They are insane. The brokenness of our healthcare system comes from Washington, not from insurance executives.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/N0RedDays]

Right. Washington, and not the insurance companies denying claims.

If it was revealed that the shooter lost a loved one because due to a denied claim, could you really blame him?

[u/TheDemonicEmperor → u/Vagabond_Texan]

If it was revealed that the shooter lost a loved one because due to a denied claim, could you really blame him?

Yes, I can absolutely blame someone for murder. This is absolutely bonkers. This is what a generation of attempting to humanize murderers will do, apparently. Anyone celebrating this ought to be in jail.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/TheDemonicEmperor]

>Anyone celebrating this ought to be in jail.

For what crime?

[u/TheDemonicEmperor → u/Vagabond_Texan]

Creating this environment of violence. Clearly that's the only way to get ghouls to stop supporting and glorifying literal murderers.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/TheDemonicEmperor]

Can you cite an actual law for me to look at?

Otherwise, your statement seems like a clear violation of the first amendment.

[u/TheDemonicEmperor → u/Vagabond_Texan]

You have no first amendment right to incite violence, so no.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/TheDemonicEmperor]

And how is cheering for his death inciting violence?

You can claim they're being ghouls or whatever, but those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

[u/TheDemonicEmperor → u/Vagabond_Texan]

but those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

More incitement and threats, I see. Is that all you people on the left have?

You ought to be reported.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/TheDemonicEmperor]

You do know that is a JFK quote right?

[u/ReturnoftheTurd → u/Vagabond_Texan]

It’s not as simple as “a claim was denied so healthcare is broke”. Newsflash, the inability to obtain medical care exists in every country that has universal healthcare too. They also deny claims. They tend to have extreme wait times in addition to this. Europe also has far more strict immigration standards which is a slightly indirect way of effectively denying medical care to people as well. On top of that, Europe straight up doesn’t even have access to certain top level services that only exist in the United States.

Healthcare is not actually that broken here. There’s just a flood of anecdotes that even when added up together don’t make a statistic. Thing is, I’m not out there ranting every single time my insurance and everyone’s insurance that I know just pays the bill without basically any effort or issues. Because why would we? But regardless of that, insurance companies still pay over a trillion dollars per year in claims. We still perform tens of millions of operations a year. And even where there are disparities, first, adjust for the definition differences before addressing it.

[u/UncleDrummers → u/Vagabond_Texan]

I would ask did they push back to ask for additional reviews or file a member grievance or did they immediately try nothing and all out of ideas except murder a CEO?

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/UncleDrummers]

This all sounds very complicated and beaucratic.

I thought private systems were supposed to be more efficient?

[u/TheDemonicEmperor → u/Vagabond_Texan]

private systems

Our healthcare system isn't private.

[u/UncleDrummers → u/Vagabond_Texan]

Talking to someone is complicated?

Yet a government led healthcare system which changes from President to President and Congress to Congress and appointee to appointee is not bureaucratic?

[u/TheCarnalStatist → u/Vagabond_Texan]

Yes I can blame them. I hope they meet the maximum sentence for their behavior.

[u/DerangedPrimate → u/Vagabond_Texan]

An explanation is not an excuse

[u/bta820 → u/DerangedPrimate]

An explanation isn’t an excuse. But ignoring an explanation is a recipe for repetition

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/DerangedPrimate]

Maybe. But assuming you're serious about solving the problem. You need to understand the motive to prevent future hits wouldn't you?

[u/DerangedPrimate → u/Vagabond_Texan]

I see what you’re saying. You’re talking pure cause and effect rather than about moral blame; in that case, I’d say you’re right.