Gun Storage

[u/RationalTidbits]

Obviously a current topic…

Obviously, storage requirements are an infringement on self-protection, not just for adults in the house, but also, say, for a teenage girl who finds herself facing a 200-pound, armed intruder when her parents happen to be away from home.

But what about the case of a child who is a known threat, like that Virginia six-year-old who shot his teacher? (Or whatever other scenario you imagine.) The parents have criminal and civil liability for failure to store guns under whatever imagined requirements?

To be clear, I am on the no-storage-requirements side of this. (It’s just another avenue in the pursuit of nullification.) But talk me through the gray areas and outlier cases.

** Re-stating the question more clearly: Give me gun storage scenarios (if any), where you would say, hands down and without hesitation, THAT parent 100% needs criminal charges. **

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Thank you! You all helped me put a sharper edge on my thinking.

Here is where I have landed so far:

— If a child or teenager becomes committed to murder or self-deletion, LOTS of things have gone wrong that have nothing to do with the presence or storage of a gun.

— Parenting and home are the keys to understanding the problem, and they are a more effective solution, rather than storage laws, which only serve to criminalize gun ownership.

— That said, if anyone actively “aids” a known criminal or obviously dangerous person… or actively contributes to a situation that no reasonable person would (such as leaving a loaded gun on a daycare table)… then there are already laws to hold people accountable.

[u/RationalTidbits]

Okay. I get what you’re saying. So, no criminal penalties for “failing” to secure guns, in whatever way someone might try to define that?

[u/phylth118 → u/RationalTidbits]

No, I do think there has to be a way to insure that people who own firearms DO NOT allow their unstable child access to these weapons, but the best way to prevent an unstable child is to be an attentive parent,

Case in point, my son is black and Asian, when he was 11 we moved to a small town and kids picked on him calling him “Blackie Chan” not understanding he literally was because he was a black belt by the time he was 9 as was his sister before him,

Because I taught him to talk to dad about stuff he did and I gave him the advice on how to handle that immediately(basically I told him to kick that first kids ass) he did so without hesitation, and never had another problem,

we didn’t call the school and complain, we didn’t hold a parent conference and discuss bullying, we let our son handle his issues with our permission (and in that case blessing) and when the school called us saying he was “acting out and being physically aggressive” I asked them why they thought that was, when the principal didn’t have an answer, I said maybe instead of suspending him and calling me, you should talk to him and believe what he says, they did and still suspended him, but I was fine with that cus sometimes you get punished for doin the right thing, and I’m from the ancient African FAFO tribe soo there’s that,

[u/RationalTidbits → u/phylth118]

I like that: Parenting, family, and home probably explain part of the problem, and are probably a more effective solution.

[u/phylth118 → u/RationalTidbits]

Unfortunately just like you can’t legitimately stop gun crime, you can’t legitimately make people be responsible parents,

You can’t poison a plant and wonder why it dies, and so far it seems there’s a lot more poison available than water..(I was gunna say fertilizer, but there’s plenty enough bullshit to go around)