Gun Storage Legislation

Obviously a current topic…

Obviously, storage requirements are an infringement on self-protection, not just for adults in the house, but also, say, for a teenage girl who finds herself facing a 200-pound, armed intruder when her parents happen to be away from home.

But what about the case of a child who is a known threat, like that Virginia six-year-old who shot his teacher? (Or whatever other scenario you imagine.) The parents have criminal and civil liability for failure to store guns under whatever imagined requirements?

To be clear, I am on the no-storage-requirements side of this. (It’s just another avenue in the pursuit of nullification.) But talk me through the gray areas and outlier cases.

** Re-stating the question more clearly: Give me gun storage scenarios (if any), where you would say, hands down and without hesitation, THAT parent 100% needs criminal charges. **

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Thank you! You all helped me put a sharper edge on my thinking.

Here is where I have landed so far:

— If a child or teenager becomes committed to murder or self-deletion, LOTS of things have gone wrong that have nothing to do with the presence or storage of a gun.

— Parenting and home are the keys to understanding the problem, and they are a more effective solution, rather than storage laws, which only serve to criminalize gun ownership.

— That said, if anyone actively “aids” a known criminal or obviously dangerous person… or actively contributes to a situation that no reasonable person would (such as leaving a loaded gun on a daycare table)… then there are already laws to hold people accountable.

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u/phylth118 13d ago

Well I think it’s becoming more and more obvious that a persons intent cannot be safeguarded against 100% no matter what. Laws or policies are created, and irresponsibility is gonna be irresponsible no matter what,

I’m all for armed to the teeth and have a gun stashed in almost every room of my house, excluding the basement bathroom, but that’s because there’s one just outside the door, I don’t have kids in the house anymore but when I did I kept all the big boom booms locked up with only myself and the wife having access to them, the largest caliber my kids would be able to get their hands on was a 380, in our bedroom but had .22 stashed around so if that situation happened they could handle it, but my thinking was along the lines of

My children will be trained, comfortable, responsible and knowledgeable when it comes to firearms, and self defense, just as I was.

Teaching them the responsibilities of owning firearms and Fists was imperative, and my responsibility as a parent, and one does that best by demonstrating it effectively, and nothing is more important than than teaching them to talk to you about the things that are going on in their little lives, as well as making sure they have limited exposure to things that would influence them negatively,

In other words parents who make poor irresponsible choices directly or indirectly teach their children to make poor irresponsible choices, they are sponging up what ever you put out just as quickly as you put it out..

(I’m also a democrat… yeah I know, the down votes will come for that reason alone..)

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u/RationalTidbits 13d ago

Okay. I get what you’re saying. So, no criminal penalties for “failing” to secure guns, in whatever way someone might try to define that?

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u/phylth118 13d ago edited 13d ago

No, I do think there has to be a way to insure that people who own firearms DO NOT allow their unstable child access to these weapons, but the best way to prevent an unstable child is to be an attentive parent,

Case in point, my son is black and Asian, when he was 11 we moved to a small town and kids picked on him calling him “Blackie Chan” not understanding he literally was because he was a black belt by the time he was 9 as was his sister before him,

Because I taught him to talk to dad about stuff he did and I gave him the advice on how to handle that immediately(basically I told him to kick that first kids ass) he did so without hesitation, and never had another problem,

we didn’t call the school and complain, we didn’t hold a parent conference and discuss bullying, we let our son handle his issues with our permission (and in that case blessing) and when the school called us saying he was “acting out and being physically aggressive” I asked them why they thought that was, when the principal didn’t have an answer, I said maybe instead of suspending him and calling me, you should talk to him and believe what he says, they did and still suspended him, but I was fine with that cus sometimes you get punished for doin the right thing, and I’m from the ancient African FAFO tribe soo there’s that,

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u/RationalTidbits 13d ago

I like that: Parenting, family, and home probably explain part of the problem, and are probably a more effective solution.

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u/phylth118 13d ago

Unfortunately just like you can’t legitimately stop gun crime, you can’t legitimately make people be responsible parents,

You can’t poison a plant and wonder why it dies, and so far it seems there’s a lot more poison available than water..(I was gunna say fertilizer, but there’s plenty enough bullshit to go around)