r/neoliberal • u/Currymvp2 unflaired • 7d ago

Scoop: U.S. raises concerns about attacks on minorities with new Syrian government News (Middle East)

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/30/syria-us-meeting-attacks-alawites

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Several videos circulating on social media purport to show armed militants — allegedly affiliated with HTS or the security forces of the new government— beating, cursing, and humiliating Alawite men while arresting them, or otherwise making threats toward Alawites.

I seen some of the videos by accident it’s plain torture. The US got 10x shit for doing 1% of what I seen in those videos. I guess the standard is 10x higher for the west.

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u/namey-name-name NASA 7d ago

To be fair it’s not unreasonable to expect more from liberal democracies than literal jihadists. The problem is that the anti-AmeriKKKan leftists are also pro-jihadist

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u/kaesura 7d ago edited 7d ago

USA was 1000x worse in Iraq which this situation most resembles (literally both baathist dictators) . Within days of the invasion, USA soldiers had killed 17 peaceful protestors in one incident. USA soldiers had several massacres after that one . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah_killings_of_April_2003

And there was widesoread recreational torture by american soldiers in abu gharib , camp bucca etc

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u/namey-name-name NASA 7d ago

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/21/1164916991/looking-back-on-shocking-revelations-u-s-forces-tortured-iraqis-at-abu-ghraib

Yikes. Jesus fucking Christ.

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u/kaesura 7d ago

Jolani was literally in that camp and others like that for five years

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u/Lyndons-Big-Johnson European Union 7d ago

Well that can't be good

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u/kaesura 7d ago

Eh. I think he hates Russia and Iran far more after fighting them for over decade and then bombing his hospitals

Also pervesly, jihadists had the best time in those camps since they ended up running them . Jolani was a popular Arabic teacher in camp.

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u/Lyndons-Big-Johnson European Union 7d ago

Yeah

Of course the biggest twist of all will be when it's revealed he was actually our informant within the prison camp jihadists, and he's been a CIA asset the whole way

GWB's whole war in Iraq was actually a long term neocon play, for the toppling of 2 baathist regimes for the price of 1 invasions a

Cue Jolani on the aircraft carrier, mission accomplished

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u/kaesura 7d ago

oh-it's an accepted fact among jihadists that jolani has been leaking the usa the locations of senior al qaeda leaders for years. it might be exagerrated but it was really convient how all the advisors his aq "boss" sent him ended up being drone striked. of course, that's for power struggle reason.

even if that's a conspiracy, it's been confirmed that he has been working with turkish intelligence for years to eliminate isis in his region.

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u/jaroborzita Organization of American States 7d ago edited 7d ago

I don’t think he was poorly treated. Arrested more than a year after the Abu ghraib scandal ended in court martials

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u/chitowngirl12 7d ago

Yes. This is what I was thinking. It's really hypocritical for the US to be lecturing someone who spent five years dealing with "US hospitality" in Iraq and who saw up close some of the excesses of US troops during the Iraq War.

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u/kaesura 7d ago

It's mostly cringe to me since the abuses are basically about soliders beating up armed militants they are arresting (wrong but extremely common in all armies) while usa police constantly does the same with unarmed civilians.

and the usa hasn't yet given any temporary waivers to sanctions on syria. sanctions designed to take down a dictator that used chemical weapons not to make syria a perfect western style democracy. sanctions that were designed to prevent rebuilding in syria at all -targetting the energy and construction sector.

as a result, there is widespread issues with transportation due to fuel shortages and electricty is only around 2 hours a day since they aren't getting resupplied with oil from iran.

this stuff destabilizes the country. the new goverment is doing much better than the usa so the usa should at least waive some sanctions for now and resume them if the new government turns abusive verus punishing millions of ordinary syrians out of bureacratic inerta.

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u/chitowngirl12 7d ago

I think there will be waivers for some of the sanctions. The issue with the Caesar Act is bureaucratic inertia. The extension was added to the NDAA which was introduced in July. I do wonder if there is coordination with the incoming Trump administration on the Syria file and how much will carry over after January 20th. For instance, will Rubenstein continue to babysit the transition like he is doing now? I'm assuming that he was appointed with the understanding that he'll continue as special envoy.

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u/kaesura 7d ago

The thing is that they are being slow on the waivers when waiving them is really important to stabilizing the country. The rest of the world isn't waiting for the usa.

Trump administrations hasn't been great at coordinating so who knows. Turkey clear thinks that Trump will withdraw troops from Turkey, leaving the SDF to Turkey.

and then you have Rubenstein parroting stuff that the Iranians are spreading online to try to take down the new government.

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u/2017_Kia_Sportage 7d ago

And people will defend the Iraq war.

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u/Loud-Chemistry-5056 WTO 7d ago

Fuck me, that shit is not the goods.

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u/namey-name-name NASA 7d ago

Fuck me

If you ever get sent back to 2003 and get put in an American Iraqi prison, you… uhhh… might get your wish.

American troops stripped Iraqi prisoners naked. They leashed them and forced them into contorted or sexual positions.

Like I’m trying not to sound like a leftist, but holy shit this is fucked.

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u/aquamosaica 7d ago

You may want to consider why you think acknowledging potential war crimes committed by US forces has anything to do with being a leftist…

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u/namey-name-name NASA 7d ago

Because leftists exaggerate western war crimes all the time like pearl clutching leaches right before glazing every authoritarian dictatorship known to man

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u/aquamosaica 7d ago

Yeah but the same tactics are used by right wing supporters of authoritarianism as well, such as Russia. It is also in their interests to denigrate the US and stoke internal divisions in our politics. I do understand this is a common criticism of the online left though. Just saying there’s no real correlation between leftist views and criticizing unnecessary violence.

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u/namey-name-name NASA 7d ago

I mean, maybe it’s just me but most rightists I’ve seen would sooner glorify US mistreatment of Iraqis than criticize it. They only really seem to have an issue with violence and war crimes when it’s white people being hurt.

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u/aquamosaica 6d ago

You are right about this, there probably IS a correlation between leftist views and calling this stuff out. Not sure if this is a bug or a feature of our political landscape lol

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u/Creative_Hope_4690 7d ago

That was a resort compared the Iraqi prison before. That prison was 10x better and rightfully became a big deal cause American expected more.

The real tragedy was it added no value at least with CIA prison they were trying to get intel here the army just went wild for fun.

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u/kaesura 7d ago

Ironically our camps are known as jihad university because of how much the inmates networked and planned with each other

Jihadists had the run of the prisons since they were the most organized and well behaved

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u/2017_Kia_Sportage 7d ago

Funnily enough, a similar thing happened in Ireland after the 1916 rising, when the British interned anyone suspected of being involved. They weren't when they went in, but after being interned with people who were they became a lot more sympathetic to their ideals.

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u/Ok-Swan1152 7d ago

Were you born yesterday or something?

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