The Impending Betrayal of Ukraine

[u/RabidGuillotine]

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/impending-betrayal-ukraine

[u/Jigsawsupport]

Yes this is crap.

Firstly this is because Its not the lack of equipment that is the fundamental issue, its European nations lack of strategic deterrent.

There is this weird view among "Atlantacists" that all Europe's security issues will be solved as long as they buy another 200 F35s, which to be fare is their job since a lot of them are defence industry lobbyists, it wouldn't mater if they had bought another 4oo the issue is nuclear.

Secondly why are we pretending that it is more sensible for the Germans to have to speed build factories, rather than the US send what it already has piled up rusting away?

[u/king_of_prussia33 → u/Jigsawsupport]

Both France and the UK are nuclear powers. Even if they weren't, I don't think anyone is saying that Europe should act without US support. I think we can all agree that the US has not done enough. The Biden administration wrung its hands over escalation, only to deliver the weapons Ukraine asked for after the real window of opportunity had closed. Biden did just enough not to completely let down Ukraine, but I would not describe his policy as brave or decisive enough. Of course, the biggest reason for the lack of support was the Russian assets in Congress.

However, unlike Europe, the US has the excuse of having its attention divided. The US was dragged back into the Middle East after October 7th and has been refocusing its military for confrontation with China in the Pacific.

Ukraine is a European problem and Europe's only problem. European countries have not committed as much to reflect that.

[u/Jigsawsupport → u/king_of_prussia33]

"Both France and the UK are nuclear powers. "

Indeed and both have done rather a lot, to the point of stripping their active army units to supply Ukraine. Furthermore the Baltic states and others have done an enormous amount without such protection

" I think we can all agree that the US has not done enough. The Biden administration wrung its hands over escalation, only to deliver the weapons Ukraine asked for after the real window of opportunity had closed. "

No this is propaganda, no such window has closed the US goverment could start meaningfully reinforcing the UAF tomorrow if it so choose. The UAF in many ways is in better shape than its Russian counterpart, its hardly on the edge of defeat.

It simply needs supplies, they have whole brigades that fight as light formations while American M1s and bradleys sit and rust.

If the conflict is coming to a close on these terrible terms than that is the administrations choice, they are choosing this.

"However, unlike Europe, the US has the excuse of having its attention divided. The US was dragged back into the Middle East after October 7th and has been refocusing its military for confrontation with China in the Pacific."

Which one of those theatres requires vast amount of armoured vehicles?

"Ukraine is a European problem and Europe's only problem. European countries have not committed as much to reflect that."

We will have to remember that when China takes on the 7th fleet for Taiwan.

After all that sounds like an American problem.

[u/Nautalax → u/Jigsawsupport]

 We will have to remember that when China takes on the 7th fleet for Taiwan.

 After all that sounds like an American problem.

We already know the EU has no interest in helping us with that