r/neoliberal • u/ghhewh Anne Applebaum • Aug 11 '24

Richard Dawkins lied about the Algerian boxer, then lied about Facebook censoring him Opinion article (non-US)

https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/richard-dawkins-lied-about-the-algerian

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u/dweeb93 Aug 11 '24

Literally me, I was an insufferable atheist when I was 14 lol. I'm past that now.

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u/pulkwheesle unironic r/politics user Aug 11 '24

I don't think it's the atheists who were insufferable, but the theocratic fascists who were/are trying to take away women's rights and LGBTQ rights. I just feel like way too much criticism is directed at a few atheists who say something 'cringe,' and not enough at the deranged lunatics trying to destroy secular democracy and who are speaking in tongues.

But it is sad to see people like Dawkins becoming anti-trans morons.

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Lis Smith Sockpuppet Aug 11 '24

I just feel like way too much criticism is directed at a few atheists who say something 'cringe'

To be fair we're not talking about some random redditor here, we're talking about someone who shapes the minds and worldview of millions of random redditors. And as an atheist myself, I'm not on board with handwaving away bad things because "the other side" is bad too. That's how communities and movements are allowed to rot from the inside

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u/MarsOptimusMaximus Jerome Powell Aug 11 '24

Except the only one doing any handwaving is you. One side says, "Don't believe in things that have no evidence." and the other says, "Believe in my God or we'll refuse you access to this adoption center." But because society is so lathered with religious rhetoric, you perceive the few who voice their disbelief as being just as bad as the people who try to enforce their belief.

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Lis Smith Sockpuppet Aug 11 '24

One side says, "Don't believe in things that have no evidence."

... Are you saying transphobia, even against people who aren't even transgender, is evidence-based?

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u/MarsOptimusMaximus Jerome Powell Aug 12 '24

Fuck you talkin bout

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u/FourteenTwenty-Seven John Locke Aug 11 '24

Where'd you get that idea? Please don't engage in bad faith.

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Lis Smith Sockpuppet Aug 11 '24

We're literally talking about a prominent atheist who engaged in transphobia, so it seems relevant

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u/FourteenTwenty-Seven John Locke Aug 12 '24

Accusing people of saying things they're clearly not saying is never relevant. It's arguing in bad faith - so don't do it.

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Lis Smith Sockpuppet Aug 12 '24

Fair enough, what are you trying to say?

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u/FourteenTwenty-Seven John Locke Aug 12 '24

They were saying that the atheists arguing against religion were only seen as insufferable because religion is so ingrained in scociety. They're talking about whether loud atheists are cringe for being loud athiests - not for all their other takes (some of those obviously are cringe, to say the least).

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Lis Smith Sockpuppet Aug 12 '24

That's an awful lot of claims that went unsaid

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u/FourteenTwenty-Seven John Locke Aug 12 '24

Not really, it's just what they said.

But because society is so lathered with religious rhetoric, you perceive the few who voice their disbelief as being just as bad as the people who try to enforce their belief.

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u/MarsOptimusMaximus Jerome Powell Aug 12 '24

Maybe I should've been two tiers less poetic

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u/SuspiciousUsername88 Lis Smith Sockpuppet Aug 12 '24

Well that quote certainly exists. Well done!

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