r/heat • u/TerryG111 • 22h ago
Should Herro become an All Star? Discussion
I would say Tyler has earned it. Even though I am not a Heat fan respectfully, I can appreciate talent when I see it and Herro this season has been healthy. He has been ballin. He is putting up All Star numbers right now in Miami. More than earned it in my book.
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u/Organic-Manner-2969 22h ago
I’d say he’s playing like an All NBA, let alone an allstar
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u/levi_heicho098 13h ago
nah herro is a guard and there r quite a few guards herro has to compete with j in the east for all star nod leave all nba, guards like brunson, dame, dmitch, cade cunningham (super underrated player imo), trae young, maxey etc.. so all star also is gonna be a tough compi although herro is certainly playing at that lvl. He isnt all nba caliber rn tho lets be real.
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u/No_Performance_5477 12h ago
Agreed. Brunson, dame, Donovan all over him this year. Cade having a big year. Trae putting up big numbers over the last two weeks. Maxey having subpar season but had a big game on Christmas in win over Boston. Derrick white also would likely get a nod over him due to Boston media. If herro improves his counting stats over the next month, like 27 points a game. He has a punchers chance to make the all star game. It’s a lot like college football rankings. Pre season rankings matter
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u/SlickDickxxx69 12h ago
Cade and Dame not playing better than herro rn
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u/levi_heicho098 10h ago
Cade is putting up a triple double almost every game and the pistons are in their comeback Era now so Cade's chances are increasing. Dame is putting up 26 a game as a 2nd option on bucks and he also won the ist w the bucks recently, I am p sure he is getting the all star nod, I ll take it a step further to say I think dame will be all star starter this year as well.
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u/airwillflow 17h ago
Herro has improved immensely. I haven’t skipped a day since ASG voting opened that I haven’t voted for him. Hope he gets in this year he deserves it more than most.
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u/GDTechno 22h ago
bro is all nba caliber this season
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u/Timantha 22h ago
I know he's our boy, but do you guys actually think he's all-nba? Isn't that top 15 player material?? It's positionless now, so you're literally putting him against SGA / Jokic / Wemby / Doncic / Giannis / KD / Ant / etc
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u/eeevileggg 22h ago
As much as I think he’s playing at an all star level, the also has to beat other guards for the spot: Mitchell, Brunson, Lillard, Maxey, Lamello, Jaylen Brown.
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u/chitownbulls92 20h ago
Both Maxey and Lamelo have been quite injured compared to Herro and both the Sixers and hornets have really bad records.
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u/DalliLlama 21h ago
And he should be ahead of every single one of them aside from Dame, Melo and maybe Jaylen. Record would favor Donovan and Jaylen, but he’s arguable been top 3 of that list and for sure top 4.
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u/Dr-Underwood 18h ago
Brunson???
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u/DalliLlama 18h ago
I’d take Herro this year for the nod. Jalen may have higher highs still, but he’s been more inconsistent this year. Basically average same stats all around, Nalen better passer, Herro better rebounder, bout same points. But Herro is doing it with way less help and night in and night out. Herros lowest game is 14 points, Jalen already has 5 such games. Jalen just has a few higher games that balance it out in the long run.
I wouldn’t throw a fit about Jalen getting it over Herro, but I think Herro has been the better player thus far.
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u/Dr-Underwood 17h ago
This is one of the most delusional takes I've ever read lol. Brunson will be 1st or 2nd team All-NBA, Herro isn't close to that..
And by your logic, Cade has better numbers with less help.. or does that only apply for Herro?
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u/DalliLlama 10h ago edited 10h ago
No Brunson wont with the way he’s playing at the moment and others are, especially with it being positionless… and I did forget about Cade. He’s very deserving of a spot. I’d take him over Herro too.
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u/Dr-Underwood 34m ago
24/3/7 on 48/42/81 splits for a top-5 team... he is absolutely making All-NBA unless he gets hurt. I don't think you've watched many Knicks games
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u/DalliLlama 30m ago
Sounds like Herro is all nba then, let alone all star.
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u/Dr-Underwood 27m ago
LOL less points, less assists, worse efficiency, worse team... sure man. Real close
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u/DalliLlama 25m ago
Same pts, less assists, more rebounds, worse team, exactly, doing more with less. If only Herro had someone like Kat, Mikal, Hart on the team.
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u/Both_Funny4896 21h ago
add Trae, Garland and Cade to that list. The east guard class is pretty deep this year.
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u/garret126 21h ago
Jaylen is a forward and made an All NBA as a forward. Him making it as a guard would be a sham
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u/TheShadowOverBayside Tyler Thee Herro 16h ago
He's on the Allstar ballot as frontcourt so that's all there is to it
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u/viewspodcast 22h ago
Yes, ez. Dude is playing both sides (still better on offense, but better on defense this year too).
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u/itsjohnlazy 22h ago edited 8h ago
Personally I want him to and I hope he does, but there’s just so many good guards right now who are also having great seasons like Cade for example (who is averaging 24PPG 10APG 7RPG 45% FG). That it’s just so hard to see if he for sure makes it.
The guard slots imo should probably go like; D Mitch, Brunson
Then probably the rest a toss up between Lamelo, Trae, Maxey, Lillard, Garland, Herro, Cade
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u/BossKingGodd 21h ago
That’s why records should have some say so into who gets to be an all star. Putting up big numbers on a lottery team shouldn’t make you an all star imo
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u/itsjohnlazy 8h ago edited 4h ago
I agree that records matter, but we’re literally a potential lottery team right now and it’s not like we’re sitting at 20 wins right now and are far off better than the bottom teams. Record-wise we are still closer to the bottoms teams than we are to the top teams, and at any given time that may change for better or for worse. Like, we could literally lose like a game or two right now and drop in the standings. In that case you won’t be even saying this unless you’re that delusional.
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u/EazeeDuzIt 19h ago
I can see coaches showing him love to be a reserve. Wish the Heat marketing did a better job promoting him in general
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u/scalpemfins 11h ago
Have never voted before. Just submitted a vote for Herro. Will do it as many days as I can remember.
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u/Rohkha 11h ago
Here’s my thoughts: You know a Miami player deserves an All star shoutout and spot if even r/nba is rooting for him to get it.
I believe this is the first year where I see r/nba be very respectful and positive about Tyler and his game.
That clutch shot against Orlando really skyrocketed his reputation for many basketball fans.
I’m almost positive he’ll get a coach nomination. Especially with guys like Haliburton struggling right now. Heck even Maxey has struggled without Embiid on the floor while Tyler has been showing out almost every night with or without Jimmy and despite having a rather absent Bam on offense making Tyler’s job really really hard.
If we had last year’s tyler on this team, he would struggle REALLY bad. Kid’s getting double and triple teamed constantly and manages to keep his turnovers generally fairly low. Admitted, 2.5 is the highest TOV average for Tyler but again, the pressure on him has been much higher as well and his AST have also increased with it, despite this team generally shooting ass this year so far. If Terry and Bam would shoot their averages of Tyler passes I’m fairly confident tyler’s AST average would be almost an entire point higher.
If tyler doesn’t get an all star spot this year… well I’m not worried about him getting all hurt over it, but it would be kinda disgusting imo.
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u/amaterasu_is_op 6h ago
He is streaky player, so I doubt it. He plays 1-2 weeks of great games, then goes silent
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u/Alternative_Horse705 22h ago
It’s a lot of good guards in the East. It’ll be hard for him to get in especially since the other guards are more popular. I think trying to win MIP will be easier.
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u/chitownbulls92 20h ago
Not even debatable. He’s a shoe in
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u/TheShadowOverBayside Tyler Thee Herro 16h ago
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u/chitownbulls92 14h ago
Good one, didn’t know it was spelled that way.
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u/TheShadowOverBayside Tyler Thee Herro 13h ago
It's like to shoo someone out of a place ("Shoo, shoo!"), but the opposite, you shoo them in. Not sure how you would "shoe someone in". Just throw shoes at them until they run into the building for cover?
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u/desertlobo55 Dan Le Batard 21h ago edited 15h ago
I’m not sure. He’s not elite (he may be an elite shooter, idk that his shooting is enough) at anything. 21st in ppg, solid rebounder for a guard, ok assists numbers. He’s the best player on the team but that doesn’t mean all star
Let’s look at the east.
Giannis, Tatum, KAT, Brunson, Cunningham, brown, Mitchell, trae are all certainly ahead of him imo.
dam lillard, garland, mobley, white, dyson Daniels (edited from Jalen Johnson)have all been significant contributors to teams that are either much better or just as good as the Heat. He has to beat out those 5.
There are players like lamelo ball who is very good but the team sucks, or pascal siakam or haliburton or even maxey who could make it on reputation or because their teams fan base rally’s behind them.
I hope he makes it, he’s been fun this year. It’s gonna take the fan base to rally behind him because he’s certainly just a fringe all star and not for certain like the sub will have you believe.
Also he lucks out that the magics top two are out. Poalo certainly would have made it over him, and then Wagner might have too, especially after he “led” them when poalo went down.
Vote for Tyler if you wanna see him get there!
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u/TheeBoyy1 19h ago
He's not elite at anything?
He's currently on pace to become the 4th player in NBA history to make four 3s per game on 40%. Dame, Klay, and Steph are the 3 others. The 3 best shooters in NBA history.
I'd say he's an elite shooter, no?
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u/desertlobo55 Dan Le Batard 18h ago
Yeah maybe he is. His shooting has been pointed out a couple times in this thread.
His numbers don’t point to certain all star with his shooting right now. Maybe he needs to shoot a little more. I think that would probably benefit the Heat too.
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u/BossKingGodd 21h ago
Mitchell is 24th in ppg and Trae is 28th. Lower than Herro so what’s that mean? Brown is 20th. One spot ahead but literally averaging the same points.
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u/desertlobo55 Dan Le Batard 21h ago
It means he’s a good player. But I don’t think anyone is questioning if Tatum is gonna make it over herro. Trae is a past all star and will get votes like he is one.
Mitchell is probably a better player and his team has the best record in the nba. He’s in over Tyler. Garland is Tyler’s competition. Garland scores less and assists more on a better team. Idk man it’s closer than the sub is acting. Vote for our guy Tyler and I hope he makes it.
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u/BossKingGodd 21h ago
Your “he’s not elite” comment is what rubbed me the wrong way. There’s too much politics and popularity contests in the nba so I’d be shocked if he did make it but to act like the guy hasn’t been playing at a legit all star level is nonsense.
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u/desertlobo55 Dan Le Batard 21h ago
Certainly playing at an all star level and being an all star is different. If herro is an elite shooter then so is lamelo, which can be true. Idk if either of them make the all star game.
Here’s hoping man!
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u/BossKingGodd 21h ago
How’s he not elite at anything when he’s literally among the best 3 point shooters currently? Third in makes in the league and has numbers comparable to Mitchell and brunson. Better numbers than Trae except for assists.
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u/desertlobo55 Dan Le Batard 21h ago
He’s 47th in 3p %, 4th in makes and 6th in attempts, he’s shoots lots of three and makes them too. Lamelo and Brandon miller are in the same level of shots and makes for 3. He’s good. But he’s on the conversation with other maybes like lamelo and garland and not for sure all stars like Brunson and Tatum.
He’s also fighting the friction of not being an all star yet and playing for a middle of the pack heat team that’s not covered like the Knicks,Celtics type teams.
Again I hope he makes it. I’m a herro and Heat fan. But this subreddit watches Heat games and doesn’t watch all the games from all the other teams
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u/_Canopus_ 18h ago
This is a completely fair assessment overall. He’s gonna need a string of really strong performances and wins against our upcoming opponents to 100% put his name in the spotlight amongst nba casuals and media for all-star and MIP.
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u/TheShadowOverBayside Tyler Thee Herro 16h ago
Just the fact that you suggested Jalen fucking Johnson is credible competition for Tyler for an Allstar spot... how am I supposed to take you seriously 😂😂😂
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u/desertlobo55 Dan Le Batard 15h ago
You right. I ment Dyson Daniels. Good point I’ll fix it. He’s an all defense player who is averaging more than a steal a game over the next person. The alliteration of their names trips me up.
Even if you remove Jalen Johnson/ Dyson Daniels there are lots of guys herro has to get more votes than to get in.
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u/TheShadowOverBayside Tyler Thee Herro 15h ago
And now you're saying Dyson Daniels is credible competition for Tyler. Which is three or four times more insane.
Are you ChatGPT???
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u/desertlobo55 Dan Le Batard 14h ago
Throw out that person. There are still 15+ people that are fighting for 12 spots. Several of them are surely in over Tyler. You can cherry pick as you like, but Herro ain’t the shoo in alot of the sub is saying he is.
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u/LeBronTrave1ed 22h ago
yes, have a good weekend