r/dndmemes Karsus Expert Nov 08 '24

Good Job WotC Lore meme

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u/Lord_Longface Nov 09 '24

Yall who complain when white skinned characters get blackwashed should also hate this.

Characters are what they are. Changing their race is highly disrespectful without proper cause.

That said, its even more sad (but not as frustrating) that this is probably just the artist not knowing Vecna's lore. Like, come on, it is the Lich everyone knows. You should put in the effort to learn his story.

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u/RayForce_ Nov 09 '24

BIG NAH. People who complain about white characters being blackwashed are weird. Anyone who complains about Aragorn from Lord of the Rings being made black in MTG cards is hella weird. His race isn't even improtant to the character, it's a harmless change. And you sir, are just as weird for complaining that this new version of Vecna is different from the outdated Vecna lore. If Vecna being so bright bothers you, put on some sunglasses

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u/TieberiusVoidWalker Karsus Expert Nov 09 '24

If a changing a person race doesn't matter than people don't have a reason to change it.

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u/RayForce_ Nov 09 '24

No. Just because the skin color of characters like Aragorn & Vecna doesn't matter =/= there can't be a reason to change it. What a silly assumption lol

The reason Aragorn's skin color might have been reimagined in the MTG cards was so a bigger audience could see themselves as Aragorn, introducing new audiences to LoTR lore.

The reason Vecna's skin & hair color might have been changed is because visually, the new version is more striking. And therefore Vecna's change from normal good guy to evil lich is more visually distinct

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u/TieberiusVoidWalker Karsus Expert Nov 09 '24
  1. As others have pointed out they do matter
  2. You contradicted yourself because it must matter if it can broaden an audience 
  3. Are you implying nonwhite people can't be normal guys?

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u/RayForce_ Nov 09 '24
  1. Nope, Aragorn's skin color doesn't matter to Aragorn's character.

  2. Saying a character's skin color isn't important to the character itself doesn't contradict how a character's skin color might make them more appealing to different audiences.

  3. You're arguing with your own imagination, buddy.

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u/TieberiusVoidWalker Karsus Expert Nov 09 '24
  1. His race, as in a Númenórean, matters to his story and just randomly changing how Númenóreans look change a lot of things about the story
  2. If it matters to the audience than it matter to the character
  3. "The reason Vecna's skin & hair color might have been changed is because visually, the new version is more striking. And therefore Vecna's change from normal good guy to evil lich is more visually distinct"

Sounds like you are saying a nonwhite person can't be a normal guy, like unironically this sounds racist my guy

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u/RayForce_ Nov 09 '24

Name a single thing in the LoTR lore that doesn't work if Aragorn is a Numerorean that has black skin, I'll wait. And I got a feeling I'll be waiting a very long time

Sounds like you are saying a non white person can't be a normal guy

Saying there is a normal white guy =/= other guys can't be normal

Plz, keep the virtue signaling between your legs, it's boring & unsightly

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u/TieberiusVoidWalker Karsus Expert Nov 09 '24

I don't virtue signal, you literally said something that sounded racist.

Also first and foremost logic consistency is important for world build, Aragorn being black breaks some of this. Either he is unique for some reason or all of Numernor is black despite everyone else being European.

Also the whole fact that LOTR is supposed to be a European mythology so it takes place in Europe long before most migrations so the population is mostly white as a result. 

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u/RayForce_ Nov 09 '24

This mf'er calling other people racist while arguing in favor of "race logic" and complaining that artists would dare touch the skin tones of characters lol

You know LoTR isn't actually European history, and is in fact completely fantasy right? How tf does a black Aragorn break your "European race logic" but Aragorn's race living to be 200yo make perfect sense?

Thank you for proving I was right, you're never gonna have a real reason for why a mythical fantasy race can't be black

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u/TieberiusVoidWalker Karsus Expert Nov 09 '24

Because they weren't written to be black, you are the one ignoring the story just because you feel like it doesn't matter but also matters to audiences apparently.

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