r/UFOs • u/Orang781 • Jul 15 '23
Ross discussing agreements with malevolent intelligences (watch the second clip) Compilation
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u/Impressive_Muffin_80 Jul 15 '23
Damn. My curiosity is in a all time high.
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u/oatkeeper1775 Jul 15 '23
The dmt entities I've met told me aliens have existed alongside us because we are descendants of aliens that seeded this planet with thier DNA
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u/EtherealDimension Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
This very well could be a lie that makes humanity think way more fondly of these beings than we actually should. Maybe they did, but just because they tell us that doesn't mean we should trust them. That's a big claim that really alters what it means to be human, and changes our rights. If they claim ownership over you, will you give in?
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u/irvmuller Jul 16 '23
I come from my parents but they don’t have ownership over me. I think humanity will fight to the death to keep their independence and freedom.
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u/JaxDude123 Jul 16 '23
This thought process is our most dangerous perspective. While you may be correct it can quickly evolve into an us vs them and as we know they they can win before lunch and will only have a hearty appetite from their morning labors. Need to think “ok, can you prove it”. Put the burden on them.
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u/TravelinDan88 Jul 16 '23
I wouldn't give in but I also know we're hopelessly outgunned. Remember the Borg? Resistance is futile?
Yeah, maybe it is, but I'm gonna die trying to take Grignak down with me. Unless they want to have some kind of intergalactic orgy, in which case I'm a sub. Let's get dirty.
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u/chefkoolaid Jul 16 '23
This is the main reason I have not gotten more involved with dmt. I know a lot of people who done a lot of it every single one of them comes back telling me that DMT is the reason we exist. That seems pretty scary and I'm not sure I'm so willing to trust all these entities quite so readily with such limited information
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u/Dubsland12 Jul 16 '23
That would be a very very long term project if it was the seed DNA.
If anyone that did that still has living decedents they might as well be referred to as Gods
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u/AscentToZenith Jul 15 '23
I see shit like this and I laugh because I can’t believe it. But at the same time I really want to try DMT lol
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Jul 15 '23
DMT is genuinely insane.
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u/CarlCherry007 Jul 16 '23
Smoked some last week. I didn’t hallucinate but man what an experience. Not even sure how to describe it. The shapes and geometry of everything were so defined and clear. It was like seeing nature with a different set of eyes.
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u/IenjoyStuffandThings Jul 15 '23
Start with mushrooms.
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u/AscentToZenith Jul 15 '23
Yeah, that has been my plan. I just don’t have access to it. I also don’t trust random people. But it’s one of those things I hope to try
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u/oldschoolneuro Jul 15 '23
grow your own mushrooms then. it's not hard. spores are legal to obtain and there's plenty of instructions out there to make a simple "PF cake"
edit: in almost every state in the USA that is. Some states ban the spores.
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Jul 15 '23
Sadly California is one of those three states. Just thought I'd mention that since a lot of people live in California
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u/quotidian_obsidian Jul 15 '23
yeah but if you live in California, it's very easy to find shrooms (and/or people who will hook you up with spores) hahaha.
Source: am Californian, shrooms are everyyyyywhere
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Jul 15 '23
Yea I just mean you cant legally order spores in california which is what they were talking about.
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u/oldschoolneuro Jul 15 '23
You might get lucky. or try making friends on the shroomery, or order it to a friends house and have them send it over to you?
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u/IenjoyStuffandThings Jul 15 '23
If/when you do get/grow some, eat 2 grams in a comfortable/safe environment (with chill friends) and with one sober person around that you trust to not fuck with you.
The come down is weird so a couple beers/drinks after the trip (4-5 hours) can be helpful.13
Jul 16 '23
As always, you do you - everybody is different. But I recommend staying away from alcohol when engaging the spirit world lol.
It’s just so anti-psychedelics.
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u/onenifty Jul 15 '23
Good advice. I also recommend eating fresh veggies and fruits before the trip, and stay very hydrated throughout.
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u/sluttracter Jul 15 '23
I got abducted by a conscious gas being I perceived as alien that radiated love was beautiful. Two weeks later I did it again but higher dose and had a difficult experience on it that scared me a bit but ultimately helped me quit a damaging drug I’d come addicted to was scary but was the most beneficial trip of my life.
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u/Dorito_Troll Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
When I did it, i just saw the god Bastet, was quite peaceful really
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u/TravelinDan88 Jul 16 '23
So we'll survive the incoming alien war by offering them scritches and Fancy Feast?
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u/Conscious_Walk_4304 Jul 15 '23
This is pretty wild that you got that from a mental journey, not a physical one.
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u/anotherdoseofcorey Jul 15 '23
I've also seen them rather than the greys and various entities. I've included below a post of other psychonauts experiencing these things.
Link: (Encounters with Grey's on DMT): https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/y8ewwv/aliens_on_dmt/
Link: (Personal Encounter): https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/xyxlq5/what_is_the_most_high_strange_fact_you_know/is1j628/?context=3
Over time, I've noticed a wide range of accounts from similar Reddit users. Some have stayed, others have deleted their account or gone radio silent. I don't know what any of it means. I want to believe, but I need to have an experience with people. Because it's starting to feel like all I've been told and confirmation from other experiencers/psychonauts is true, especially with the US government's current movement.
Why us? Were we just too curious and uncovered a form of communication with the cosmos? Is it all dumb luck coincidence, or were souls sent here to help humanity? Are we genuinely star seeds sent to scout the land for our "alien brethren"? Our memories are wiped, only recovered when we communicate beyond the mind, body, and soul. Is this the link between the experiencers and psychonauts?
I don't have any answers, but I'd like to meet the Phenomena with my own eyes and know that it's physically real, even if it all is just some advanced form of kabuki puppet theater.
Link (Consiounss aspect of Phenomena): https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/yzfux6/how_does_insisting_that_the_key_to_ufos_is/iwzqdjl/?context=3'
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u/ResistJunior5197 Jul 15 '23
Directed Panspermia. Guy who co-discovered DNA's double helix (Francis Crick) had this theory.
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Jul 16 '23
Alien Abductions.
This isn't a new idea and I've read about these "agreements" going back for years now.
The idea is essentially that human governments created agreements with non-human intelligences which granted them the right to randomly abduct and experiment on humans. The exchange gave human governments access to off-world technologies which later created things like the internet and advanced medical tech and so on.
There's a belief that some percentage of missing people cases may be related to the phenomenon.
Honestly, it doesn't make sense in my eyes. If this species has the capacity to remove humans from the planet randomly at a moment's notice, why would they need an agreement with our governments for that? They could do it anytime they like and it would never be necessary to ask permission.
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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Jul 16 '23
Yeah it doesn’t make much sense. We also have very well established histories of development of the technologies, like the internet, that were supposedly made by alien tech.
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u/no_crying Jul 16 '23
Maybe because there are other aliens, there must be some kind of check and balance, or galactic politics at play which we just don’t know of. Without agreement, the grey may not be allowed to continue their operations, maybe something those people who signed agreements just never thought of or think it is a low probability.
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u/freesoloc2c Jul 16 '23
Or why would they need a human? They could grow their own.
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Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
I've read theories on it. All baseless but interesting.
One idea is that these aliens are actually humans in a future timeline. They abduct and harvest biological material from us because they've genetically modified their own genome to the point where they can't successfully harvest tissue from themselves anymore.
Another idea is these are "tune-up" visits related to genetic modification. This ties into the idea that humans are an ape-like species which have been modified through alien genetic modification. These abductions may be them collecting humans for modifications before reintroducing some back into the gene pool.
The fact of the matter is we have no idea why a species would want humans and it could all be nonsense.
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u/freesoloc2c Jul 16 '23
I've heard the future humans' ideas, and i think it's ridiculous. Not the time travel part the part about they need our dna is so stupid. We, with our tech now can manipulate dna eith crisper and so forth. We can get dna from bones we find in ice after 10k years. I promise future aliens aren't coming here for some human dna.
I thought the future humans were coming back to prevent a catastrophe in near future?
Again, I've been following along fpr years and I'm getting pretty fed up with stories.
I want facts.
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u/imapluralist Jul 16 '23
I think grusch was talking about nda's and Ross was putting words in his mouth. Ross starts the question by presuming he's talking about nhi's.
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u/cognitive-agent Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
I know Coulthart doesn't want to talk much about the "scary" stuff without being able to confirm it, but I at least wish he could give us some ballpark ideas of what it is and how bad it could be. Like are we talking about the same "scary" stuff that has been part of conspiracy theories and UFO lore for decades, or something else potentially worse?
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u/lordpikaboo Jul 15 '23
i think he is talking about abductions under agreement.
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Jul 15 '23
I read a long time ago that this was the agreement. We get limited access to their tech, and they get to do experiments on humans.
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u/Reckfulness Jul 15 '23
But why would they take that trade? If they're a highly advanced civilization they can just abduct whoever and we cant do shit about it
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u/VFX_Reckoning Jul 15 '23
Exactly. It doesn’t make sense because they can just do whatever they want anyway. They don’t need gov permission
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Jul 16 '23
I would think there's some kind of universal law that prevents them from just taking us when we just give them permission, who's to say the aliens are the top? Who controls the aliens?
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u/OnceReturned Jul 15 '23
I agree completely, which is why I think the very existence is such an agreement - if there really is one - would just be a way to influence our future behavior/manipulate us. They can do whatever they want and there's nothing we can do about it. No reason for them to negotiate a deal.
If we're dealing with something much smarter and much more powerful than us, we basically have to assume that every part of our interaction is them manipulating us. I expect that so far, every manipulation has achieved exactly whatever they wanted it too.
The proposed existence of an agreement has you and I talking about it right now, for example. It suggests that they are willing to cooperate, which could be manipulative. It suggests that the government is the bad guy by making it seem like they endorse abductions, which could be manipulative. Etc.
I think everything about this is probably a manipulation. And I think it's unlikely that we're smart enough to do much about any of it.
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u/Jclevs11 Jul 16 '23
What if it's because of nuclear bombs, what if they cause a dimensional rift or something idk
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u/pepperman7 Jul 15 '23
Assume that there are multiple higher intelligent species that are out there and there is a general agreement amongst them to not interfere with lesser species in their development and to stay in the background as much as possible. If there is one group that doesn't respect this agreement and still wishes to conduct experiments on humans this would be a logical way to do it without drawing the scorn / sanctions of the greater community of intelligent species.
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u/BadAdviceBot Jul 16 '23
Agreed. We're assuming there's only one advanced species, but if this advanced species is just one of many (in say a "Galactic Federation") they may not be able to abduct and do experiments without our consent, which our government gave them willingly.
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u/IBeSteadyLurkin Jul 16 '23
Take this with heaps of salt but some of the lore states that the Galactic Federation has a Prime Directive of non-interference and respects free will. The lore goes on to say that we made a deal with a malevolent faction and not the benevolent federation. Since we entered into this deal of our own free will they are not at liberty to intervene.
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u/SaturnPaul Jul 15 '23
Maybe they're outnumbered, or maybe they're not as immune to physical harm like bullets or other weapons as many assume they are just because they're advanced.
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u/47dniweR Jul 16 '23
Maybe the "aliens" dont want us to know about them, and part of the agreement was the gov would keep it quiet.
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23
But only on humans we provided, then they broke the agreement by continuing to do abductions. If that’s true then I have many questions
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Jul 15 '23
How do you know this? What if the agreement was that we provide humans for experimentation, forever. Or for 100 years or for 1000 years, or until they leave.. etc
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
It was in the same story that you’re talking about, Eisenhower is the one who supposedly made this agreement, time frames were not specified in this story for how long we were supposed to provide humans nor where they were coming from but apparently it was the aliens who broke the agreement in 1970ish by continuing abductions. Personally I think it could be just as likely we broke an agreement, maybe there was also a rule that any tech they gave us wasn’t aloud for weapons and I bet we wouldn’t have been able to stick to that
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Jul 15 '23
Yes that is correct! Also, what can we do about it if they broke the agreement?! Absolutely nothing lol
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23
Yep. I find it very interesting MKULTRA was started in 1953 around the time this all supposedly happened, you have to wonder now if the real aim was something to do with NHI
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u/Splub Jul 15 '23
Maybe they were trying to circumvent the 'memory wipe/pacification' aspect that abductees experience.
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u/Retirednypd Jul 15 '23
If they're so advanced they wouldnt need our permission
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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Jul 16 '23
Right? A sufficiently clever and violent person can pretty easily disappear people without trouble. Just ask HH Holmes.
Fucking aliens wouldn’t have any need for agreements.
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u/ChonkerTim Jul 16 '23
Why the US president? Is it just covering US humans? Abductions happen all over the world
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u/screch Jul 15 '23
Is this the "Great Deception" John Lear was talking about?
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u/therealbugs1 Jul 15 '23
In the 87 Interview he (Lear)said there was a plot to install a head of state or member of the own in plot to take a more proactive role in ruling but was thwarted
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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Jul 16 '23
First of which would be why they need to broker a deal in the first place. Humans can already abduct one another just fine without much more than a creepy van.
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u/Bodypattern Jul 15 '23
That would be so crazy seriously, I never believed this could be true, but hey Obama is producing the Netflix Barney and Betty Hill story and this insane specific Bill came out so now I’m just like better listen carefully to what Grusch is saying.
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u/Enough_Simple921 Jul 16 '23
I'd agree. There's literally thousands of people who claim to be abducted, that we know of.
I've watched hundreds of interviews by the abductees and I find it hard to believe they're all lying.
You can see the genuine fear in their face and hear it in their voice.
Many claim to be told telepathically "don't worry, we're not here to hurt you." If they were, would they tell us?
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Jul 15 '23
I think it’s partly because he knows that he is a target for disinformation as a credible source of info on UAP/UFO/NHI news, so he doesn’t want to say because it may have been disinformation meant to scare people away from the topic.
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Jul 15 '23
The agreement is essentially allowing human abductions and cattle mutilations. So, while not “scary” in the traditional sense, it’s a breach of our morals as a species. Our government is willing to sacrifice us for tech they will most likely militarize.
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u/Ketter_Stone Jul 15 '23
Human abduction, mutilation and torture. Not good. It's nowhere near the "Space Bros" utopian fantasy pushed by Greer.
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u/MozerfuckerJones Jul 16 '23
Think he's referring to the abduction/missing person/mutilation cases. Some of that is nightmare fuel and appears to be malevolent, or just a brutal level of indifference. Then again, we have slaughterhouses.
Either that, or a more existential horror in terms of our potential purpose or reason for being.
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u/Orang781 Oct 10 '23
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u/cognitive-agent Oct 10 '23
That sounds about as bad as some of the worst-case "typical" UFO lore (attacks and human mutilations). If it's true then it's terrible, but I can imagine worse things especially when we start talking about the woo, so it would actually set my mind at ease a bit if that ends up being the worst of it, especially if it's mostly/all limited to rare cases where the military engaged first. I just wonder if Ross is holding back here.
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u/Snow_Mandalorian Jul 15 '23
What do you mean by "confirm"? Because Ross doesn't ever offer us anything that's confirmed, only what his alleged sources tell him.
Perfect example, he just refused to tell us where the alleged building is that houses the massive ET craft he talked about. Ross makes many claims, but when has he ever confirmed anything with tangible evidence?
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u/Away_Complaint5958 Jul 15 '23
But tonnes he and Lue hinted at has come true. I think every breadcrumb they give has a reason behind it
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u/Retirednypd Jul 15 '23
Because his source would be killed and he would never be trusted with info again
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u/HellBlazer1221 Jul 15 '23
So abductions and cattle mutilations are real and are explicitly allowed through our agreements with NHI? So many questions.
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u/AscentToZenith Jul 15 '23
I imagine it’s in a neutral study point of view. It seems like they don’t mean to kill us with the experiments. But at the same time, they don’t care about us.
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u/ghostinthekernel Jul 15 '23
Given what Gary Nolan said on the brain characteristics of people who have had experiences, it may be they are injecting genetic changes aimed at making us evolve in different ways. Maybe they apply the same changes to everybody, maybe they make different changes and then check how each change progresses through generations.
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u/DavidM47 Jul 16 '23
With respect to what Nolan said, I got more of a sense that people who work in “the program” are getting symptoms similar to radiation poisoning from being around these craft. These people are quietly suing the federal government in sealed cases—and Nolan was the guy the feds got to look into it.
Tucker explained a little too much of this part of the story once, right before or after he got canned. He said (without naming him specifically) Nolan told him that around 100 people have died, and their family members are demanding survivor benefits from being in close proximity to the craft.
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23
Like lab rats
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u/mkhaytman Jul 15 '23
Last i checked we don't make deals with the leaders of the rats though.
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u/bigloomingotherases Jul 16 '23
No but we can make deals with dogs and gorillas and chimps etc. i.e. dogs: do this thing and we’ll give you a treat. Primates: let us jab you with this needle and we’ll give you a treat. They also understand when we (as in zookeepers) want to check and care for cuts etc.
It’s easier for us to make deals with these animals than rats. So these other beings can make deals with us more easily as well.
So it’s not too far fetched they’d make a deal like “Let us do these abductions, which are for your own good, and we’ll give you some tech to play with” which is probably way more advanced than we can comprehend but probably some basic old tech for them.
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23
If a leader of the rats made themselves known to us, potentially with violence, we would no doubt make some kind of bad faith deal if necessary. Most of us have ‘deals’ with our pets, they just have no control over if we keep up our end
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u/jedi-son Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
Abductions are hard to talk about because of the lack of physical evidence. Not saying they aren't real. Just that they don't present themselves as a nuts and bolts aspect of the phenomenon. They closely resemble religious experiences. Or religious accounts of interactions between humans and non-human intelligences.
But even a cursory investigation of cattle mutilations reveals 10s of thousands of cases and zero arrests. I find it hard to believe UAP exist and cattle mutilations are bs. Same with crop circles.
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Jul 15 '23
The only agreement I can see us making, as the weaker species, is we won’t go public with the information. What other chips do we have. But then we have another species doing the crop circles saying don’t trust the greys there is good out there. Honestly though a better deal we give them the cattle blood, organs and mouth as part of our own abattoir process. No need making these poor animals suffer. Plus for humans perhaps a UFO donor card, the thought of my anus travelling the stars after I’ve gone how exciting 🤣😂🤦♂️
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u/BigDingerDongerDude Jul 15 '23
To be fair, we also let the Chinese Holocaust the Uyghurs and let North Korea starve their people as a sacrifice to peace between our nations.
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u/Itchy_Toe950 Jul 15 '23
And all the shit countries incl. USA did to their own people.
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u/SaturnPaul Jul 15 '23
I immediately thought of Tuskegee. Watching people rot away for the sake of science. MK Ultra also comes to mind.
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u/thegreenwookie Jul 15 '23
Hell look at Epstein and the Human Sex Trafficking. Shit like the Funky Town video. Or all the insane Human experiments the Nazis did.
The Crusades were pretty fucking brutal as well.
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Jul 15 '23
Blame nukes. Going to war with China now comes with the threat of nuclear apocalypse.
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u/IenjoyStuffandThings Jul 15 '23
Blame CANADA blame CANADA
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Jul 15 '23
And the Germans doing unspeakable acts in the real holocaust. That wasn’t that long ago, especially since time doesn’t really exist. People haven’t evolved much in the past century
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u/Akgreenday Jul 15 '23
That's true, but the power dynamic between us and China is a lot different than the power dynamic between us and a hypothetical Alien species.
But that just begs the question, is that power dynamic ever going to fade, can we bridge that gap enough in order to properly defend ourselves without getting obliterated or enslaved?
The answer that first comes to mind for me is saying yes to whatever agreement they have, temporarily bite the bullet, and learn and take as much as you can from them, as quickly as you can, in order to hopefully minimize personal losses and earn ourselves a bargaining chip for more favorable relations in the future.
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u/kosmicheskayasuka Jul 15 '23
It is interesting that in ancient mythology there are stories about sacrificing young and healthy people to unknown monsters. For example, the ancient Greek myths about the Minotaur and Andromeda. Now the rulers also sacrifice people to the monsters.
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u/Quiet_Garage_7867 Jul 16 '23
Aliens on Earth definitely opens a can of worms as to how much of these ancient myths and urban legends were actually honest interpretations of real events but influenced by the culture of the people.
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u/66hans66 Jul 16 '23
Not to mention that these new monsters also seem to require permission to enter our house/take our soul. It all sounds so... familiar.
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u/Orang781 Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
Uncovering agreements should be the highest priority.
In the second clip, Ross alludes to humans being killed or injured as part of agreements with non-human intelligences.
What would advanced intelligences need with humans unless we're a resource like cattle?
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u/flolfol Jul 15 '23
I can't comment on why aliens might want to harm us, but I think you guys are making a misconception.
Just because they're advanced intelligences and almost certainly have vastly superior technology, doesn't mean there isn't any benefit in simply observing humanity for research.
Humanity is both an advanced intelligence and technologically superior compared to starfish or polyps. And yet, we've looked to them (and many other animals and plants) for cancer treatments or inspirations in engineering. There's a whole field called biomimicry.
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u/EtherealDimension Jul 15 '23
If there is one theory to run with, it very likely isn't that. In all of the actual encounters and experiences people have with them:
- It seems like they are doing something. Research, experimentation, testing. Unlikely that it's merely put on as a show for torture.
- If it was torture, seems like it would be more explicit. Think about medieval torture, some creativity was put into and it did its job for causing mass amounts of pain over long periods. If their one goal was pure torture, seems like people would talk about that more directly I guess. In other words I feel like they could do a better job at the torture part, in comparison to "terribly painful procedure done for x reason in a certain amount of time"
So malevolent or not I think they are doing something in particular. I could make guesses but you never know
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u/MooPig48 Jul 15 '23
And harvesting genetic material
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u/Vonplinkplonk Jul 15 '23
This is what I don’t understand. A species with the ability to travel between stars or universes has the ability to harvest genetic material without the need to go full alien predator. There is genetic material all over this planet. It’s freely accessible, they should have no problem collecting it. If they did a deal with the government they could just explain what they are doing. When Eisenhower allegedly met with Aliens we didn’t even know what DNA was.
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u/MooPig48 Jul 15 '23
If they are collecting it from humans they would need contact with those humans. If something inside of us is useful to them like horseshoe crab blood is to us then that would require physical contact. Maybe whatever they need has to be “fresh”. Maybe they’re storing DNA from every plant fungus fish and mammal because they know that something very bad is going to happen and we will wipe ourselves out and they want to store and catalog it all for scientific purposes.
Maybe the biodiversity of our planet is SO unusual that they want to study and preserve as much as possible.
Your guess is as good as mine but personally I can think of many reasons they could be doing so
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Jul 15 '23
Also humans are already 3D printing flesh. To think ETs wouldn't be capable of changing their genetics or 3D printing their own genetic material is just humans lacking imagination. I see no need for them to even harvest genetic material if their tech is truly so advanced...
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23
The story goes that part of the agreement was they stopped abducting humans and they would be provided with some in return for tech but they just kept doing abductions anyway. I think we should be prepared that aliens might never tell us their true intentions
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u/optifog Jul 15 '23
But the out in the open while a person is busy with activity abduction accounts (as opposed to the sleep interruptions, cloaking as shadow people or projecting images of themselves as Old Hags, no memory of being taken on a ship, type of abduction that goes back much longer) started in the late 1950s, as far as I've been able to tell.
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23
The government was definitely doing fake abductions themselves, maybe with the tech Eisenhower got, interesting it all happens around the same time. Even MKULTRA started in 1953
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u/optifog Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
The first outdoors, activity-interrupting abductions I'm aware of were in South Africa and Brazil, in the late 1950s, both using technology that isn't even publically acknowledged to exist today, let alone then. The beings involved included small greys, in both abduction stories, which couldn't be costumes worn by grown men. The first cattle abduction and dumping of the body I'm aware of (complete with two witnesses to the classic craft and the levitation of the cow) was 1897, before we'd invented the airplane. So I don't buy Greer's claims that Americans are doing abductions and mutilations.
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u/optifog Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
It does seem likely that the CIA and Soviet attempts to create telepathy, memory blocking and memory retrieval were driven by their knowledge from experience with ETs that these were possible.
Some people attribute that interest to the number of Scientologists who've worked in or for the CIA, but there weren't Scientologists in the Soviet Union, and Scientologist CIA officers would have been among the virulently anti-drug wing, and would never have agreed to give people LSD, so it can't just have been Scientologists.
To me, the timeline suggests that L. Ron Hubbard, who was extremely well connected, learned through the grapevine that the CIA was certain these abilities were real, and wove them into his teachings, promising to help people gain them.
This would have made it easier to get CIA members who were read into the telepathy research or the telepathic ETs, interested in Scientology, and the two organisations would have influenced each other from then onwards. He founded his organisation in 1953, the same year that you point out MKULTRA started.
Do you have sources you could direct me to that have informed your thoughts on the 1950s shift in the phenomenon? It sounds like you're pulling from somewhere I haven't been yet, and I want to read as widely as possible to understand the different types of abduction and the reason for that change around Eisenhower's presidency, as a confused experiencer of the pre-Eisenhower "incubus" style levitation, paralysis and and intruder encounters that interrupt sleep, but with scoop marks, missing time and seemingly impossible bruises in the morning suggesting they're not just a parasomnia.
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u/forestofpixies Jul 15 '23
They also tend to target familial lines, so the females or males of one family, sometimes both, going back possibly hundreds of years. They can’t just use random discarded material off of cigarette butts for what they’re supposedly studying.
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u/TheSharkFromJaws Jul 15 '23
If they need some semen, I can get it for them. All they need to do is ask… and pay up (this is premium stuff).
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u/DocMoochal Jul 15 '23
We should tell them about sperm banks, hell theres dudes that would willingly jerk it just for them.
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u/MooPig48 Jul 15 '23
But eggs from females still require extraction. Sure maybe they are sneaking into some incels room at night and getting sperm from their cumsock but if they want eggs that’s gonna require more work lol
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u/UnicornBoned Jul 15 '23
People freeze their eggs.
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u/MooPig48 Jul 15 '23
Of course they do, and they have to be extracted in order to do so.
There’s any number of potential reasons that “fresh” genetic material could be needed or desired. Sure they could break in and steal frozen eggs but that may not be “the same”, they may want to pick and choose whom they take them from. Perhaps some of us have been genetically modified by them and some of us haven’t, and they need eggs specifically from those who already have those genetic modifications. Perhaps fresh is just better-maybe they don’t freeze them for storage but store in a different manner.
I could go on all day with potential reasons why they may need live people to remove whatever it is they want from us.
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u/UnicornBoned Jul 16 '23
Just pointing out that, just like there are sperm banks, there are egg banks, irrespective of the fresh vs frozen parley.
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u/EtherealDimension Jul 15 '23
But then, what for?
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u/optifog Jul 15 '23
No star will last forever. Any civilisation would have to move every few billion years, well in advance of their star becoming a red giant or even getting destroyed. So they'd have to hybridise with the natives of a solar system with a younger star, well in advance of that need to evacuate. This theory also explains why they bring other species from their planets and let small numbers of them loose, such as what we call sasquatches, mothmen and dogmen. Testing how well certain species from their planet fare on our planet's surface right now. They want to make a strain of themselves, and possibly other species from their home ecosystem, that thrives comfortably above the surface, perhaps.
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u/EtherealDimension Jul 15 '23
That is a perfect model to simulate what could be going on. I don't think it is entirely true, as I doubt that the NHI are 1 species simply from a different planet, I expect it gets far more expansive than that, but nonetheless it holds as a great hypothesis.
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u/MooPig48 Jul 15 '23
None of us have any way of knowing. I saw someone put forth the idea that they know the planet is eventually doomed and are collecting as much genetic material as possible from every animal plant etc to store and record it. Maybe they genetically engineered us and need updated samples to see how we are evolving and whether and how our DNA is changing.
Maybe they use something from us to produce something else, like how we use pancreatic materials of other animals for insulin or blood of horseshoe crabs to test for endotoxins.
I’m not them so I don’t know, but there’s endless possibilities
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u/shattypantsMcGee Jul 15 '23
It sounds nuts. Because it kinda ties a lot of insane conspiracy theories into a neat little bow. If agreements with NHI are true… is adrenachrome a real thing? Is that Greer guys story true about human smuggling with UFOs? Was JFK murdered to keep this secret? This opens a massive fucking can of worms.
Part of me thinks they’ll have to slow drip shit. They won’t come out and admit everything all at once for this reason. But, I do think a truth and reconciliation style commission with complete transparency is the only way to restore the trust and integrity of our government.
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u/Aggravating-Pear4222 Jul 15 '23
If adrenochrome is real, it’d be far easier to synthesize it either through our current methods or via future one. (Speaking as a chemist)
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Jul 15 '23
The highest priority should be the classified energy technologies since those could literally save the planet and the human race.
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u/phr99 Jul 15 '23
It starts with an A and ends with an S.
and the word "duction" is somewhere in the middle.
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u/YuSmelFani Jul 15 '23
Okay, but why?
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u/phr99 Jul 15 '23
You would have to ask ppl at r/experiencers about that.
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u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
Well I'm a person who was "visited" or "abducted" several times throughout my childhood, but they never spoke to me so I have no fucking idea why I was taken or visited. But, I was too terrified to try to speak to them so it's not like I gave them a chance to "speak", if they were willing to.
Also no telling what I don't remember when they have the ability to simply switch off your memory or knock you unconscious at will.
Most of what happened to me was from the 90s to early 2000s, and I didn't start trying to accept this and learn more about it until the past 4 years or so. What I've read recently is a lot of wild shit, mostly from John E. Mack treating and interviewing various abduction victims over many years, but I can't verify any of it aside from what I've seen they can do. I think many of them are legitimate, but I also think he was fooled by some others.
But again, these beings never spoke to me or told me anything, or attempted to, so it's possible they could have communicated the same intentions or thoughts to me as well had I been unafraid enough as a kid to engage.
And even if they did tell me what they were doing and why, I wouldn't trust them at all anyway. We're not exactly in any position of any power or influence, or reason to be honest with, and based on what I've read, it would seem their communication is very one-sided, meaning they can know all your thoughts and intentions as you're experiencing them, but they don't give you that same insight unless they choose to.
And they go through great lengths to hide themselves so, they do absolutely everything that should give you red flags, and nothing that would express true honesty or building actual trust, or doing anything to our benefit other than communicating to others "you guys need to stop killing your planet or you're fucked", and potentially attempting to lightly seed us with more sustainable technology (with these "crashes" and landed recoveries).
I also have a really hard time believing most of what I see posted on that subreddit. While I see some hints of some legitimate experiences, I also think it's filled with an absurd amount of larping and roleplaying as most other subreddits like it are, because so much of the writing is very much the same style as the fake posts you often see on outrage or relationship subreddits, but that subreddit accepts everyone because those who are legit will also be completely unbelievable (like my own experiences) and it's best you just accept everyone, because this is insanely isolating. Everyone else gaslights you, dismisses you, calls you crazy. It's extremely depressing if you ever try to reach out for help.
But you know, I'm not an expert on any of this. I can only attest to what I've seen them do. Much of what seems like larping may just be someone who is trying their best to communicate an experience that just didn't happen to me, but happened to them. Much of that subreddit just doesn't align at all with what I went through though.
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u/bigloomingotherases Jul 16 '23
Did you see the beings when they abducted you? Like do you remember what they look like?
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u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb Jul 16 '23
Yes, we saw them face to face, just maybe 18 inches away from me. I wasn't alone for just one event, and it was my cousin that woke me up to tell me to look because they were standing by our bed, on my side, staring at me. We still talk about it sometimes so this one event proved to be the anchor for all the other ones to be real, as much as I was trying to convince myself none of it was actually happening and that I was just freaking myself out getting scared over nothing as a kid.
Most times I've seen them they have jet black eyes. Just pure black. I don't remember seeing their eyes reflect anything but I never looked long so I wouldn't draw any conclusions there.
What we saw were very small, like toddler size. Maybe 3 feet tall, because we were laying down on the bed on a frame, box and mattress, and their eyes were at eye level when I turned around when I was laying down. They're really thin, pretty big heads for their little bodies, really thin neck. I don't remember seeing their feet or hands, it was hard to look at anything except their eyes or simply try to not look at all.
They would either stand on the ground, or they would float around the house or outside. Their ship was always nearby, either you could see it (typical disc shape but taller/fatter) or hear it (most nights were deep bassy hums that oscillated slowly in volume, and one particular night was flute sounds, can elaborate on that again too if needed), so I imagine their tech can manipulate fields at a distance (float themselves around, float you around, etc).
Their eyes were shaped like tear drops, very close together at the center (something I almost never see in pop culture depictions), big and rounded on the inner side and tapered to a slit at the outer side. The outer end wrapped around their head a little bit. They were tilted up a good 20 degrees, so very slanted.
Their eyes are a lot bigger than ours, but not as massive as what you see on something like the cover of Communion, but I mean there might be multiple beings, variations, builds if artificial, I don't know. I can't really discredit anything after what I've seen.
Most times I saw them their eyes were black, but the night my cousin was there with me as kids, their eyes were glowing red as their own sources of light. She woke me up to say there was something with red eyes next to me so I thought she was fucking with me and I turned around and felt immediate dread as I saw it (probably from fear, my own trauma with them and confirmation of oh no they're real all this time, not necessarily that they're bad or evil).
Their eyes were illuminated either from the inside of their head as if these were opaque surface with red LEDs inside (trying to help visualize), or there is something that covers their eyes perfectly embedded in their heads that illuminates fully across the surface in reaction to something, or the object they use as eyes simply glows completely during certain functions or it's some natural genetic thing or who knows. It didn't look like a point of light, it was as if the entire surface of their eye was glowing dimly red, very deep red, very uniform. It wasn't like a reflection. Looked completely artificial.
So, obviously very humanoid looking which should make you ask a lot of questions. Because of my experiences I really think they're artificial. I think kids are safer to try to interact with than adults. I think humans are dangerous to be coming up to face to face, so I really feel these beings are artificial, and we don't see their creators, and their creators made these things to interact with us safely from a distance. But, I genuinely don't know. All I know is what I've seen and what happened to me, at least bits and pieces, and lots of waking up to see them up to some shit.
Everything always, always happened at night, and always very late in our schedule when everyone would normally be asleep, between 2-4am. Because of that I'd always be terrified of that window of time every single night. Since I haven't had anything happen to me since 2003 or 2004 I'm not so afraid anymore but there is left over anxiety. I wake up a lot, still to this day, to scan the room if I feel anxious or off. Haven't seen anything since but, when they come around, you know because you feel that dread associated with fear or trauma. Probably some trigger into ptsd, maybe I'd hear some sound or feel something related to whatever they're up to, but you would have a pretty good idea of if they were there that night or not.
Really very creepy and strange, but then that might be my fault. Maybe it would have been better if I had tried to communicate and stop letting fear consume me, but I won't blame myself either because I was fucking 5 to 15 years old dealing with something that nobody else was dealing with or even thinks is real, aside from my cousin anyway lol
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u/AAAStarTrader Jul 16 '23
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. It's fascinating to read and the details are great.
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u/MantisAwakening Jul 16 '23
My personal suspicion is that they’re working with people individually to try and get them to be aware of the greater reality.
The question is why it’s only on an individual level. The public narrative isn’t far enough for people to connect with it yet.
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u/danish_hole Jul 15 '23
why do we cut open frogs?
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u/Conscious_Walk_4304 Jul 15 '23
They are very clearly breeding humans and related species. We don't cut frogs open for breeding. Pure examination is not end but something you do along way but I think breeding is a higher goal than the "fertility exams"
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u/Iowaaspie66 Jul 15 '23
I read a book, "Harvest" by GL Davies iirc, and breeding was the reason for the abductions, in the book. They also mentioned "hybrid" children.
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u/Conscious_Walk_4304 Jul 15 '23
That's it right there. Not what I'd hope or expect but rather where the data suggests. Data from Dr Jacobs for example. We don't understand it but don't get to choose as the lesser lifeform.
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Jul 15 '23
I assume a species millions of years ahead wouldn't need to cut open some specimens to teach their children about anatomy.
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u/Bel_Merodach Jul 15 '23
Or they need something our bodies produce… hence cattle mutilations removing very specific organs
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u/MooPig48 Jul 15 '23
Yep, we take material from many different types of animals for lifesaving drugs
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u/Sea-Block-6464 Jul 15 '23
The fact that at any moment in time these NHI’s can decide to just come out and reveal themselves is kind of unsettling. I feel that there has been a time limit here and we as a human species have run out of it (time).
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u/MuleriusR Jul 15 '23
So let's approach this issue from another perspective. Just picture a far away intelligence on an earthlike planet, in our galaxy the Milkyway facing the basic laws of physics as we know. Scanning the universe for planets that potentially might possess or bring forward intelligent life. Sounds familiar right. The distance is for example 5000 lightyears. With their gravitational telescopes Earth is discovered and selected for visit and interaction.
Presumably they can't survive or would not like to undertake such long term trip themselves. Likely the earth atmosphere doesn't match with theirs either. So a spaceship fleet is sent over with which they have the ability to communicate to instantaneous. ( Quantumtech?)
A settlement somewhere in an ocean is constructed and orbs are sent out for investigations. Humans appear on the screen as a kind of intelligent life form. So some are abducted and DNA is used to create humanoids that can survive the hostile atmosphere and communicate with humans and with the far away home planet.
Great. Everybody happy. But then the humans appear to destroy their atmosphere. This climate change will effect the humanoids as well. Contact and agreements are needed.
Your thoughts?
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u/IShootThemSteve Jul 15 '23
I'm sorry, but this is starting to become a little crazy. The US has "agreements" with NHIs?? Because these NHIs cant just do whatever they want and so they've made agreements with a certain group of humans, who apparently are American and speak on behalf of the entire world??
I have no idea where this is headed, or why "this" is coming out into the public sphere right now, or who is actually steering this ship, but this is starting to make less and less sense reasonably and rationally.
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u/lordpikaboo Jul 15 '23
the scariest part is why is the gov benting the knee to the pressure right now?this secret has been kept for a 100 years and it could have been kept for a 100 more easily by cover ups. howw hard did they screw the pooch that they are even ready to expose this secret?what is the giant picture here?
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u/Franc000 Jul 16 '23
You are starting your reasoning on the assumption that all of this is true. This is a very risky starting position to reach the truth. Start with the assumption that all/most of what is going on is false or a misdirection, until cold hard proof are brought. Then build up from there. It's way less fun, but way more productive in trying to reach the truth.
From my stance, until cold hard proof are provided to the public, all this might be a grift. And we will see with the hearings. If no proof are provided, but somehow the big military companies gets more budgets, or somehow they tie this to stop helping Ukraine, then that will confirm the grift.
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u/Merfstick Jul 15 '23
Sure, they could presumably just wipe us out, but if they don't want to, and we have no other means to meaningfully resist, there's a few logical conclusions can be deduced: 1) they would prefer to have us around, for some reason or another, and 2) we have the ability to somehow mess with whatever it is that they're keeping us around for. IF there is an agreement, these two things MUST be true. If either is false, there is no use for an agreement - they would be entirely nihilistic towards our existence and wouldn't bother making an agreement. You simply don't make agreements with things that don't in some way have value to you.
Perhaps we're an experiment that was given a specific, controlled set of conditions (genetic, memetic, etc) and they want to see how things play out, and it's actually not all that arbitrary effort-wise to "reset" the sim. They might have zero moral qualms with wiping and restarting, but that would set them back a bit (and maybe screw some careers lol) so they give us a few options that work to keep the whole thing going.
Perhaps they harvest us for things tech cannot provide, like culture. A dark view would be they value our suffering, and an even darker is that they harvest our very souls. (But, it could also go the other way, too, so no need to panic just yet... and believing in the soul is its own thing).
Perhaps it's as simple as a retrieval agreement that states that we must return any bodies that are left by accident.
Or maybe we can actually shoot them down, and they actually do fear our nukes in the same way that Western military powers are still vulnerable to certain guerilla tactics, and they would prefer to not go down a route that might jeopardize their own way of life. Just getting 1 craft and by fluke chance we send it back to where they are from with the wrong kind of shit might really screw them up, and thus they run a really tight ship about it.
All that is speculation, but the fact of the deductions remain: IF there's an agreement, it means they value us, and we are capable of doing something that is undesirable for them.
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All of Grusch’s claims are crazy. Certainly a far cry from “there are some anomalous objects in the sky”. We’re kind of all-in on the craziness if we take him seriously at all.
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u/jesalg Jul 15 '23
So much this. It's frustrating that no podcast interviewer has asked these logical questions.
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u/Low_town_tall_order Jul 15 '23
He said he's waiting to testify in front of Congress at the live hearings before he gives any more interviews.
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u/one2hit Jul 15 '23
The way Grusch answered is the way somebody would answer if they knew they could say yes, but couldn't say yes legally.
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u/martanolliver Jul 15 '23
Slap my nuts and call me sally this stuff is getting more and more ominous
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Jul 15 '23
I wonder why the entities choose certain "morphs" to interact with us in different ways. Keep in mind this is me just recounting what I picked up over time of reading about these different sightings. There is a good chance that none of this ever has happened but for the sake of this list I will be treating them as all real. This is a holistic categorization of everything I've seen
- "Mantids" always seem to abduct and interact with beings with the intent of harm and distress. With the Kumburgaz Turkey videos you can see they appear like horrifying creatures with mantis-like bodies and heads that resemble that of the "Grays" but more insectoid in nature.
- "Grays" seem to be the neutral general purpose "worker" that can do any task it's told to do (talk to people to tell them random things, experiment on them, roam and tend to people as if they were plants in a garden or animals in a reserve, etc..). Encounters with "Grays" can be incredibly distressing but are usually not stressful at all and sometimes considered tranquil for some reason.
- "Nordics" that appear in a variety of different ways that are incredibly close to humans (I'm referring to both the "blank Nordics" and hypothetical "Nordic crossbreeds" that have existed on Earth in the far past as genetically modified "humans" that can do fantastic things) that are almost always here to impart some sort of wisdom or moral code (this is always the theme with "Nordics" for some reason). They always seem to know what we want to hear and see (could tie back to Vallee's idea that they are connected to our collective psyche). The ideas that they spread are usualy morphed and twisted into deeply controlling and possibly even violent schools of thought, they are almost always complex in nature so maybe it's just a game of telephone or people bending their words as to justify the harm of other humans.
- (This is if the more high-strange aspect gets confirmed sometime in the next few years) "Cryptids" that appear to a few people with some unexplainable occurances alongside their appearance and then disappear forever never to be seen again. This is very similar to the "Nordics" that appear because they know what we want to hear and see.
- (Also in case of high-strangeness confirmation) "Daemons": this can encompass any strange "spiritual" and "religiuous" non-human entity that comes here and appears to people to invoke a revelation or powerful emotion (e.g. Djinn, Asura, Demons, Angels, daimons, etc.). They possibly consist entirely of energy or manifest into "fleshy" forms spontaneously in a similar way the "Cryptids" have done in modern times and there are other things they do but these two things are what they are most commonly known to do. Also tied to the "knowing what we want to hear and see" aspect of the nordics.
- There are a variety of minor variations of these "morphs" such as the "little green men" that are described that one time, the Varginha entity, the odd creature that was described to be in a black space suit and jackpack that blasted away that some dude who was working security saw once, etc..
There are more categories of entities described but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head and there are for sure malevolent intelligences that love to do "very bad things" to people. We may never know how all of this connects but at least I can rest assured there will be a full answer to everything soon (whether that be in a year or even 25+ years from now).
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u/sharkykid Jul 15 '23
Where are you getting mantids from?
The video on reference is grainy, low resolution, unsubstantiated by other sightings, and doesn't show much beyond the purported head right? How do you know what their bodies look like
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u/TopheaVy_ Jul 15 '23
Never seen the Turkey video linked to mantids before, where's that from? They look very humanoid in the video, if it's real.
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u/UnicornBoned Jul 15 '23
Haven't many experiencers reported positive experiences with Mantids?
And what about the beehive men, the Hopkinsville goblins, the cat people, the gator dudes, mothman, and Sam the Sandown Clown? You know, the usual suspects.
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u/TurbulentIssue6 Jul 15 '23
I remember some report mentioning the cat people? The Aus report maybe
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u/mamacitalk Jul 15 '23
Wasn’t the ‘little green men’ always tied to Mars somehow? Martians used to be a more popular word
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u/MaggieMews Jul 15 '23
If you assume there is some kind of universal law stating perhaps that you cannot directly attack an uncontacted civilization, or that you cannot do anything without the consent of that civilization, but you still wanted to influence and reap something from that society, you just might go against that law by getting "agreement" from those that lead that civilization, thereby, finding a loophole and skirting the law. If they are, indeed, nefarious, then I would doubt they have unimpeachable ethics and morals. The problem then becomes the fact that they do not, in actuality, have our consent because humanity was never even told of their existence, let alone given the chance to agree to anything. Just my thoughts.
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u/AAAStarTrader Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
Malevolence and agreements were two separate parts of the sentence.
We are more likely to have agreements with non-malevent NHIs, imo. But we really need to told what these are as a matter of urgency. Which governments of the world have such agreements?
I had parked this aspect until we get the basics established in Congress, but this is a hot potato item of which humanity needs to have knowledge.
I suspect it is the sampling of animals and humans for testing and experimental purposes which might explain why the government doesn't want to know about it and definitely does not wish to discuss human mutilations! Which seem to be hushed up if you believe the research of some ufologists.
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u/SabineRitter Jul 15 '23
I had parked this aspect
NO BRAKES
but for real though, this is moving faster than I would have expected.
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u/TopheaVy_ Jul 15 '23
I'm sorry... Please tell me that's a typo and you meant to write ufologists
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u/FilmEater Jul 15 '23
He sounds like he is about to cry, it must be some really terrifying stuff
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u/spawncampinitiated Jul 15 '23
what video did you watch to say that he's about to cry? who cries while smiling bro
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u/FawFawtyFaw Jul 15 '23
We're gonna give a medal to the MIB that negotiated cattle in supplement to humans....
Initially, it was annual abduction rights to 50,000 northern hemisphere sapiens, 10,000 southern. But Larry shot his shot and we agreed to 10,000 sapiens from each hemisphere, and a 20,000 cattle allotment from either. Don't tell the Kiwis.
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u/wordsappearing Jul 15 '23
Most farm animals lack the intelligence or the perspective to know that they're being farmed.
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u/AdoltTwittler Jul 15 '23
What podcast is the second clip from?
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u/JELLOGIANT Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
I don’t buy this. Sorry. Logically speaking, if aliens were malevolent and had the technology to get here, they don’t need to negotiate anything. They are better equipped than us. They don’t need anything from us. They could just take what they wanted and we would be powerless to stop it. Not exactly sure what they would need agree to that they could just handle themselves with no compromise.
If there’s an ant colony in the way of where I want to plant my garden, I’m not going to negotiate with them or compromise. I am going to wipe them out and do what I want.
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u/Haydnh266 Jul 16 '23
Don't apply logic. We have no idea of intentions. They may even have their own spiritual or religious belief that prevents them doing a mass extinction etc who knows
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u/Zalenka Jul 15 '23
Well there's be a lot less instability in the US if we have universal healthcare and more supportive social programs.
A large percentage of our population is one paycheck away from losing their house/mind/savings/health.
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u/RedactedHerring Jul 15 '23
I feel like this is a dumb question. But what is the Dobson thing Coulthart refers to at the end?
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u/MantisAwakening Jul 16 '23
I also have a really hard time believing most of what I see posted on that subreddit. While I see some hints of some legitimate experiences, I also think it's filled with an absurd amount of larping and roleplaying as most other subreddits like it are, because so much of the writing is very much the same style as the fake posts you often see on outrage or relationship subreddits, but that subreddit accepts everyone because those who are legit will also be completely unbelievable (like my own experiences) and it's best you just accept everyone, because this is insanely isolating. Everyone else gaslights you, dismisses you, calls you crazy. It's extremely depressing if you ever try to reach out for help.
You’re not wrong, and we’re aware of it, but as you identified we can’t do a lot about it without affecting real people. Psychological studies show that narcissists are especially attracted to conspiracy theories because it puts them in a position of false authority over others. Those ones are usually pretty easy to spot, and we tell uses to just block those people.
We’re convinced that some of it is also being written by people trying to discredit the phenomenon, but that’s even harder to prove.
It’s a challenging subreddit to navigate, but you’d be shocked how often it lets people connect with others who’ve had similar “impossible” experiences that they’ve never talked about.
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u/NnOxg64YoybdER8aPf85 Jul 16 '23
If he's scared it's likely
- We're being abducted/experimented on
- We're being manipulated
- We're getting invaded
If it's #1 and #2 we can't do shit. If it's #3 we can't do shit, but maybe some of us will survive.
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u/Beneficial_Chain2495 Jul 16 '23
If this is true i dont know how to live. Fucking GANZI in the oceans doing sinister shit and they are able to wipe us out if we interfere?? It is all so fucking crazy 😂
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u/ninjanerd032 Jul 18 '23
Are they implying the government has a peace treaty where one of the stipulations is a trade of humans for them to experiment on? Like a scientific endeavor or a feeding?
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u/godianaa Jul 15 '23
According to Dr David Jacobs this is a clandestine invasion. There is no agreement between nations with the occupants because of the difference of technology. Do you we make agreements with chimpanzees?. No
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u/grungkers Jul 15 '23
Agreements are not talking about the gap of technology. But it’s more about understanding on both parties.
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u/StatementBot Jul 15 '23
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Orang781:
Uncovering agreements should be the highest priority.
In the second clip, Ross alludes to humans being killed or injured as part of agreements with non-human intelligences.
What would advanced intelligences need with humans unless we're a resource like cattle?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CD64QW-dKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrs8hNBzW90
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/150g575/ross_discussing_agreements_with_malevolent/js2xxxw/