r/StarWars • u/ryanwosleger • Mar 08 '21
Happy International Women’s Day! Without you the galaxy would be a boring place. Meta
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Mar 08 '21
...is that even carrie? That looks like a cosplay
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u/Arkanteseu Mar 08 '21
looks like a wax figure
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u/Brainey31 Mar 08 '21
Satine & Ventress are missing!
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u/StoicMegazord Trapper Wolf Mar 08 '21
I mean, it does say without them it would be boring, not necessarily that they are good characters (as in good/evil), so Ventress should definitely be up there. And if Bo Katan is up there, Satine should definitely be there!
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Mar 08 '21
Kick holdo and Rey out for them. You know what put Mara and jayna in there
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u/hasse89 Han Mar 08 '21
Shmi Skywalker? The woman who gave birth to all this?
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u/StoicMegazord Trapper Wolf Mar 08 '21
"Without you the galaxy would be a boring place." Not necessarily an interesting character herself, but without her none of this would have ever done down like it did, so yeah, probably the woman with the greatest impact right here, interestingly enough.
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Mar 08 '21
Without Shmi - no Skywalker saga. That fits the definition of boring.
Without Rey and Holdo on the other hand.... still a fascinating galaxy.
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u/SolomonOf47704 Mar 09 '21
If Kylo and Rey didn't exist, the Galaxy would literally be no different.
Mainly Kylo though
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u/Mikes_Movies_ Mar 09 '21
Well if Kylo didn’t exist it would have been a lot harder for the first order to rise to power since they don’t have an extremely powerful force user, also because of kylo luke went into exile, which was key in the rise of the first order.
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Mar 08 '21
How dare you leave out Jyn Erso. Without her none of these other characters would have even mattered! #justiceforjyn
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u/antmars Mar 08 '21
Well Ahsoka was doing her thing long before Jyn or the empire for that matter. But yeah. #JusticeForJyn
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u/Slobotic The Client Mar 08 '21
Is that Padmé or Sabé?
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u/TLM86 Jedi Mar 08 '21
Padme.
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u/Slobotic The Client Mar 08 '21
Credit to the makeup department. I can never tell.
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u/TLM86 Jedi Mar 08 '21
Sabe was never in the red gown.
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u/Eldundarin Jedi Mar 08 '21
Well she kinda was
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/38/00/263800ee2f813f965cf5c684db82f6ce.jpg
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u/King_Cookie69 Hondo Ohnaka Mar 09 '21
This image could have a few more, for example:
Sabine
Ventress
Hera
Satine
Jyn Erso
Mon Mothma
Any would be better than Holdo
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u/BubbhaJebus Mar 09 '21
Rose Tico
Qi'ra
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u/MapleTreeWithAGun Battle Droid Mar 09 '21
SHMI SKYWALKER
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u/BubbhaJebus Mar 09 '21 edited Mar 09 '21
Aunt Beru! Don't forget her!
And Lyra Erso!
Maz Kanata!
Captain Phasma!
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u/GrenadierSoldat3 Sith Mar 08 '21
The lack of Kreia disturbs me.
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u/StoicMegazord Trapper Wolf Mar 08 '21
Seriously one of the most interesting characters in all of Star Wars to date. I'd love an entire book series on her alone.
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u/Sloppy_Goldfish Mar 09 '21
Jaina and Mara too! They came before most of the characters up there and are arguably much better characters than most of those 7.
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u/CrispyBeverage Mar 08 '21
Where's Cara Dune and Jun Erso? And BTW happy international women's day!
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u/JoesJourney Mar 08 '21
An earlier post got nuked for adding Cara Dune. Personally, I enjoyed her role in Mando but don’t enjoy her as a person.
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u/skipford77 Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 08 '21
It got nuked? That's just stupid. Cara Dune is a Star Wars character.
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u/BadMovieApologist Director Krennic Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 08 '21
Apparently it's too hard to separate the actors from the characters. I don't particularly like Gina Carano and can agree with her being fired but I don't understand why people want to erase the character when they can recast her.
What would happen if Mark Hamill, heavens forbid, completely lost his marbles and said/did something terrible, would we have to pretend Luke never existed?
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u/RobertoFromaggio Mar 08 '21
Find it odd which assholes get separated from their art and which don't. Even in my own head. Like, i find it pretty difficult to watch anything with Louis CK or Kevin Spacey in it now, but still funk out like a motherflucker if Billie Jean comes in the radio.
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u/skipford77 Mar 08 '21
I can watch Spacey, Cosby, or Roseanne and still see the characters.
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u/stubbazubba Mar 08 '21
With the latter two, at least, I feel like their characters were all just them, except [profession] instead of a comedian.
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u/skipford77 Mar 09 '21
In any case, I can still be immersed in the shows enough to not be bothered by the performer’s real life controversies.
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u/nkrgovic Hondo Ohnaka Mar 08 '21
I don’t like Brando as a person either, but that doesn’t mean I don’t watch movies with him.
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Mar 09 '21
Most of us probably would not enjoy 75% of the celebrities we've watched as real people in real life
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Mar 08 '21
Do you know her as a person or is your opinion just based on what you hear from egg heads on twitter and reddit?
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u/OmenBard Mar 08 '21
You are not enjoying the actress political views, not her person nor the character. If I didn't like TLJ, I could use the same logic to blame Kelly Marie Tran or Laura Dem personally.
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u/OmenBard Mar 08 '21
At least she didn't die because she was too tired or sad
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u/StoicMegazord Trapper Wolf Mar 08 '21
Man, in simply being really sad was enough to kill you, I would have died a long long time ago.
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u/rattatally Mar 08 '21
Where's Cara Dune
Let's celebrate women! ... but only if they agree with our politics.
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u/throwaway_for_keeps Mar 08 '21
You might have had a point if this contained more than seven women of Star Wars.
Unless you think people are trying to cancel Pernilla August? Or Felicity Jones? Or Emilia Clarke?
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u/kyokans Mar 08 '21
I see you disrespecting Shmi Skywalker.
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u/ryanwosleger Mar 08 '21
I’ll admit it, I forgot Mama Skywalker. In hindsight I would have added her. She started it all.
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Mar 08 '21
Holdo was a caricature of bad leadership though. Her own crew mutinied because she wouldn’t even tell them there was a plan, much less what the plan was.
I don’t think you’re doing women around the world any favors by holding up the personification of “well if you don’t already know, I’m not going to tell you” as an example.
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u/Zardhas Mar 08 '21
Yes, she vehiculates the toxic philisophy that you must believe in your leaders and shouldn't ever try to question them. Very dangerous message
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Mar 08 '21
Only good thing about Holdo is that she was played by Laura Dern, who is practically royalty in my book.
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u/International_Yam674 Mar 08 '21
Dern is amazing. She’s been in some of my favorite films, like The Master. That being said, I think people are too hard on Holdo. Holdo’s an Admiral (equivalent of a 5-star general) in the Resistance with a long history of victory in warfare and politics; Poe had no reason to doubt her, and he had no right to question her authority or demand Intel from her. I’ve got plenty of friends who’ve served in the Army and Navy, they’ll tell you that Poe was 100% out of line and nobody in the military would do what he did. But see, Poe represents something specific in TLJ; he represents desperation, he represents failure in victory. He’s too obsessed with victory, he doesn’t understand how to win a war. But then the perfect example of a leader comes along, Luke, who sacrifices his life to defeat Kylo Ren and save the entire Resistance from the clutches of total defeat, which helps Poe grow as an officer (not that any of these themes stuck around in episode 9, sadly.).
I always tell people, the big thing about TLJ is, the Resistance wins the opening battle but at such a cost that they’re losing the war, but TLJ ends with the Resistance winning the ending battle, except this victory came with no casualties and wrecked all the leadership of the First Order, giving the Resistance a fighting chance at winning the entire war. A major point of TLJ is learning how to win a war when faced against a far mightier opponent, it’s about overcoming your baser instincts and using intelligent tactics and a willingness to sacrifice yourself to save countless others to achieve things you can’t achieve through just using violence.
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u/Predsguy Mar 09 '21
No disrespect to your friends, but Poe is not just some random solider. He's not just some random "fly boy" pilot. People always downplay Poes importance when defending Holdo. Leia, the leader of the entire resistance trusted him with the most saught after and dangerous secret in the galaxy. He personally the attacks on Tokodana and Starkiller base. He was a resistance leader and he absolutely should have been included in the plan and had that been the real military, in their situation, he would 100% have been let in on the plan. Poe was flawed, yes, but that does not make Holdo a good leader or character.
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u/StarKnight697 Sith Mar 08 '21
Nope. Fuck Holdo. Replace her with Jyn Erso. Or Hera Syndulla. Or even Mon Mothma.
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u/nkrgovic Hondo Ohnaka Mar 08 '21
Am I the only one missing Mara Jade and Marasuah Fel? And, yes, Mon Mothma, and Hera.
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u/BrobaFett1121 Mar 09 '21
Lmao Holdo!? Yeah okay, just gonna snub Hera and all of the female jedi council members for that dumbass. Hell even Cara Dune had more of an impact
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u/Gilgamesh107 Grand Inquisitor Mar 09 '21
dont mid me im just here for the juicy controversial comments
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u/jncheese Mar 08 '21
Should have put Lando's droid from Solo in there instead of Holdo. Solo had the better female characters anyway.
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u/spursaustralia Scavenger Rey Mar 08 '21
A post celebrating international women's day, and all a majority of comments want to do is shit on half the gals posted and make it a competition. Please shut up guys.
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u/Eldundarin Jedi Mar 08 '21
There, fixed it
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u/lesser_panjandrum Sabine Wren Mar 08 '21
Thank you. Hera is fantastic and it's great to see her included.
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u/Eldundarin Jedi Mar 08 '21
It was between her and Sabine but since Bo is there I thought Hera would be better
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u/spursaustralia Scavenger Rey Mar 08 '21
Nothing like international women's day to pit women against other women. Thanks.
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u/bobone77 Mar 08 '21
You guys really gonna make a women of Star Wars collage without Rose Tico? Really? 😂
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u/TertiusGaudenus Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 08 '21
Who's that? I am more concerned we still haven't seen Luminara, or Ayla Sekura, or ShaakTi, or Satine, or, hell, Asajj for example...
UPD: i wanted to mention Yaddle, but went to check how Satine is written and forgot. So yeah, also Yaddle. Hottest Jedi Master. I didn't say it, blame SWJ:FO
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u/ryanwosleger Mar 08 '21
Thanks for all the upvotes and I understand why people are complaining about my choice of characters to represent the female side of Star Wars. These characters are special to me; however, I respect those who disagree with my choices. In hindsight I would have added a few more characters but stand by the women I chose for various reasons. Thanks again!
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u/Cappin_Crunch Cassian Andor Mar 09 '21
Dont complain for putting your favorite characters! No post Star Wars post can exist without people disagreeing. Enjoy what you like and dont be afraid to show it
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u/Garnetknight Jedi Mar 09 '21
I see Cara Dune has been swept under the rug. I guess her beliefs mean she’s excluded from women’s day?
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u/maejaws Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 09 '21
Honestly had me up until the last two. A short list of who would have been better:
Satine Kryze.
Ventress.
Mon Mothma.
Adi Gallia.
Shaak Ti.
Aurra Sing.
Cara Dune.
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u/Zardhas Mar 08 '21
Honestly, Nomi Sunrider did more than most of these one combined (except Padmé of course), it would have been nice to have her included
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u/plotdavis Mar 09 '21
Shmi, Jyn Erso, Mon Mothma, Satine, Jyn Erso, Qi'ra, and Rose would be other good additions.
Leave out Cara though lol
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u/Saffiruu Mar 09 '21
it should have been formatted to "thank you for being strong women" with a huge NOT YOU over Holdo
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u/BubbhaJebus Mar 09 '21
Captain Phasma. And there were some unnamed female personnel in the First Order with speaking roles.
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u/fabiovelour Mar 09 '21
All those women deserve to be honoured but let's also not forget: Mon Mothma, Asajj Ventress, Satine Kryze, Hera Syndulla, Sabine Wren, Mother Talzin and the Nightsisters, Aayla Secura, Shaak Ti, Luminara Unduli, Barriss Offee, Jyn Erso, Rose Tico, Captain Phasma, the Seventh Sister, Maz Kanata, Cara Dune, the Daughter and many more. And that's only people from Canon.
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u/lazuluxe Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 08 '21
Genuine question for people complaining about Holdo: who said she had to be an admirable character? Nothing in this post says the women here have to be role models. I see people complaining about how she was a terrible leader...yeah, that’s the point. Not every female character is supposed to be a strong, independent, and liked. They’re allowed to be annoying, morally corrupt, and flawed like just male characters are. If she wasn’t like that, Poe wouldn’t have been able to justify his and the crew’s mutiny against her.
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u/Lastaria Ahsoka Tano Mar 08 '21
And I never found her annoying. She was right and Poe was wrong. Him going against her caused many lives.
Some argue she should have told him the plan but he already proved distrust worthy disobeying Leia earlier. They just did not expect him to go full mutiny.
Hating Holdor is stupid When Poe was always in the wrong.
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u/AdonisGaming93 Mar 08 '21
Holdo but no gina carano, or jyn erso...I question the choices lmao.
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u/Alpal12 Mar 08 '21
Get rid of Holdo because she just had to be one of the worst Star Wars characters ever and put in Mon Mothma, Hera, hell even Ventress.
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Mar 08 '21
Holdo sucked. Women are totally capable of being great leaders, but Holdo just looked bad, just bad. Just dumb and incompetent. Replace her with Jynn Erso, a badass woman who did not fuck around, and had leadership skills.
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u/Je_Suis_Revenu Mar 09 '21
One of these things just ain't like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong.
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u/DarkSaber87 Mar 09 '21
Holdo instead of Cara Dune? Brave of you. Glad that Jyn isn’t on here she’s way overrated. I would have put Iden Verso and Hera Syndulla on this list as well.
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u/ryanwosleger Mar 09 '21
I’m pulling my own Holdo maneuver. Looks to be a suicide mission as well.
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u/nanabozho2 Mar 09 '21
Very happy Gina Carano is not in there. She can fuck right off
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u/AwkwardDrummer7629 Clone Trooper Mar 09 '21
Y’all really had to put Holdo there? She makes the galaxy boring.
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u/Bropil Mar 09 '21
Dude... Where is gina carano? Its not that difficult to make some space for her there, dont be rude. Also you could have put sabine's and Hera's voive actress there
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u/Nobody0451 Mar 08 '21
Jyn Erso and Mon Mothma should probably be on this list somewhere. Maybe Hera, too.