🚨BREAKING: President Trump plans to make Election Day a national holiday, implement single-day voting, paper ballots, and government-issued voter ID .. WHAT AN AMAZING CHRISTMAS PRESENT!

[u/TanviVats]

🚨BREAKING: President Trump plans to make Election Day a national holiday, implement single-day voting, paper ballots, and government-issued voter ID .. WHAT AN AMAZING CHRISTMAS PRESENT!

[u/MaxGrata]

How could one justify disagreeing with this?

[u/EqualitySeven-2521 → u/[deleted]]

Government issued IDs such as drivers licenses are at best reliable measures only of habitancy. They provide no certification of citizenship. Passports or some kind of new ID might be required in order to ensure that only legal US citizens are allowed to vote.

Even passports could be problematic given varying state by state restrictions on voting for some ex-convicts, those possibly being more uniform for federal elections.

Passports are relatively costly. Creating a new form of federal identification could also be costly at the outset, but probably worthwhile looking long-term. Without uniformity and minimum requirements allowing drivers licenses/ state ID to reliably specify more about an individual than they presently do they probably would not serve the purpose of helping to secure US elections.

[u/Baggss02 → u/EqualitySeven-2521]

Real IDs do provide proof of citizenship . In order to get one in Ca I had to produce proof that I was a US citizen.

That does not, however, mean that fake Real IDs don’t exist.

[u/EqualitySeven-2521 → u/Baggss02]

Non US citizens can obtain Real ID in California. Here's a a quote from and link to a California DMV page stating very clearly that ...

"Any Californian who can prove their current legal presence in the United States (U.S.) with one of the accepted identity documents (original or certified copy) is eligible to receive a REAL ID driver license or identification (DL/ID) card. This includes all U.S. citizens, permanent residents who are not U.S. citizens (Green Card holders), and those with temporary legal status, such as recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) or Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and holders of a valid student or employment visa."

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification-cards/real-id/what-is-real-id/real-id-info-non-u-s-citizens/

Of the various forms of identification designated on the above page as acceptable for issuance of a Real ID in California the very frst on the list is foreign passport.

Nowhere on the page is a requirement for any documention of US citizenship mentioned. What documentation was required of you to verify citizenship?

[u/Baggss02 → u/EqualitySeven-2521]

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification-cards/real-id/real-id-checklist/

[u/EqualitySeven-2521 → u/Baggss02]

What is it about the link that you posted that is supposed to be relevant?

[u/Baggss02 → u/EqualitySeven-2521]

The requirement to show proof of citizenship which claimed was nowhere to be found. It’s right there at the same source you cited, unless you just want to cherry pick the page that you like.

However, you are correct resident aliens can get Real IDs, which makes them worthless as proof of citizenship.