🚨BREAKING: President Trump plans to make Election Day a national holiday, implement single-day voting, paper ballots, and government-issued voter ID .. WHAT AN AMAZING CHRISTMAS PRESENT!

[u/TanviVats]

🚨BREAKING: President Trump plans to make Election Day a national holiday, implement single-day voting, paper ballots, and government-issued voter ID .. WHAT AN AMAZING CHRISTMAS PRESENT!

[u/MaxGrata]

How could one justify disagreeing with this?

[u/elgato124 → u/[deleted]]

I COULD agree with that IF whatever currently available IDs WERE used. Some states... the ones with hidden agendas... don't "require" them.

[u/BaronsGV → u/elgato124]

In California you need three things to register to vote, you can't vote unless you register. You need: A California ID card, the last 4 digits of your Social security number, and your birthdate to register. Once you register you can vote. It is fake news to say you don't need an ID to vote in California. You don't need to show your ID twice. That is redundant. When they check your vote they check your registration. You have to sign it as well. If they find irregularities, they can prosecute you. I just checked and since 1982, there have only been 64 cases of voter fraud in California.

https://electionfraud.heritage.org/search?state=CA

[u/elgato124 → u/BaronsGV]

You had us all in the first half. Then in your grand finale, you used "if" and "can" instead of the preferred "shall" and "will". THAT is the problem with California.

[u/reamo05 → u/elgato124]

Kansas does the same thing.

[u/BaronsGV → u/elgato124]

The if is a booleon situation. Is it true that there is voter fraud or false.? They have For-Profit Prisons in California too. They will prosecute you. Someone will make money off of you. Don't illegally vote in California. You will be eating some corporation's moldy food in a prison cafeteria.

[u/Baggss02 → u/BaronsGV]

If voting in person, that is absolutely true. If voting by mail it’s all questionable.

[u/HYPER-IgM → u/elgato124]

So you want more bureaucracy just because you’re paranoid about “certain” states even though Trump won pretty convincingly. Either the democrats just decided to take this year off in rigging the election 😂 or you’re drinking way too much of the kool-aid.

[u/az116 → u/[deleted]]

I don’t. You should get a single free one for whatever period of time they’re valid for. Which you get by providing the same documentation as a Passport, so you can prove you’re a citizen. It completely destroys liberals absurd and racist argument that minorities are too poor to get IDs.

[u/az116 → u/[deleted]]

Current IDs cost money. Which is fine. But if you do it this way, it wouldn’t cost much money, and would be completely worth it to blow liberals disingenuous argument out of the water.

[u/EqualitySeven-2521 → u/[deleted]]

Government issued IDs such as drivers licenses are at best reliable measures only of habitancy. They provide no certification of citizenship. Passports or some kind of new ID might be required in order to ensure that only legal US citizens are allowed to vote.

Even passports could be problematic given varying state by state restrictions on voting for some ex-convicts, those possibly being more uniform for federal elections.

Passports are relatively costly. Creating a new form of federal identification could also be costly at the outset, but probably worthwhile looking long-term. Without uniformity and minimum requirements allowing drivers licenses/ state ID to reliably specify more about an individual than they presently do they probably would not serve the purpose of helping to secure US elections.

[u/Baggss02 → u/EqualitySeven-2521]

Real IDs do provide proof of citizenship . In order to get one in Ca I had to produce proof that I was a US citizen.

That does not, however, mean that fake Real IDs don’t exist.

[u/EqualitySeven-2521 → u/Baggss02]

Non US citizens can obtain Real ID in California. Here's a a quote from and link to a California DMV page stating very clearly that ...

"Any Californian who can prove their current legal presence in the United States (U.S.) with one of the accepted identity documents (original or certified copy) is eligible to receive a REAL ID driver license or identification (DL/ID) card. This includes all U.S. citizens, permanent residents who are not U.S. citizens (Green Card holders), and those with temporary legal status, such as recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) or Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and holders of a valid student or employment visa."

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification-cards/real-id/what-is-real-id/real-id-info-non-u-s-citizens/

Of the various forms of identification designated on the above page as acceptable for issuance of a Real ID in California the very frst on the list is foreign passport.

Nowhere on the page is a requirement for any documention of US citizenship mentioned. What documentation was required of you to verify citizenship?

[u/Baggss02 → u/EqualitySeven-2521]

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification-cards/real-id/real-id-checklist/

[u/EqualitySeven-2521 → u/Baggss02]

What is it about the link that you posted that is supposed to be relevant?

[u/Baggss02 → u/EqualitySeven-2521]

The requirement to show proof of citizenship which claimed was nowhere to be found. It’s right there at the same source you cited, unless you just want to cherry pick the page that you like.

However, you are correct resident aliens can get Real IDs, which makes them worthless as proof of citizenship.