He owns the largest right wing social media platform on the planet. Tomorrow MAGA spokespeople will be on Fox News talking about how great replacing unmotivated Americans with foreign workers will be for the economy.
Bringing in foreigners to take jobs from Americans while bragging about how good the economy is to people who don’t feel like it’s good… I swear I’ve heard this mentioned before by republicans. What was the context though?
Kicking out the people doing low-income jobs so Americans can have them, bringing in skilled labor, taking the jobs Americans might actually want because he can pay them less.
The funny shit is American laws about ITAR mean he'd still have some major issues with bringing in low cost foreign workers into SpaceX.
It might help him at Tesla since they don't have to pass nearly as stringent standards when hiring, AFAIK.
So he'd need to change out H!B policy and make the possibility of hostile countries getting nuke/advanced space access more likely to cut costs at his baby.
I'm sure Trump will be for it, but will the average Republican law maker?
This is essentially the natural progression from the now-old era of consolidating the skilled positions while paying less to the new person doing a job that used to be done by four (who all made more money.)
No, you don’t get it, we do have to kick out the illegals, and denaturalize brown citizens, so that we have a secure border. BUT, we will bring all of them back so we have a better economy. Elon is a genius, we would be able to secure the border and improve the economy, two birds one stone, but one bird in the bush the other in my hand.
I don't really want to give searches to looking into it but I'm pretty sure the other guy has a generation of being american that Musk could "borrow".
The incoming administration makes me sad to be an American... I wonder how the God Bless the USA guy feels about the non lubed anal rape of the USA.
Edit nevermind looked him up and he's partnered with trump on the Bible and he made a new music video of the song for Trump's campaign... Fuck Lee Greenwood.
It hasn't even become official and I'm so fucking done with everything..... likeni shouldn't be this upset but the amount of sheer purposeful ignorance is astounding
H1B visa to meet tech demands in the 1990s. It never stopped. Hillary was a mouthpiece for the tech companies for cheap labor. It’s always “a temporary measure while Americans get trained”.
It was quietly accepted by workers. Just like offshoring jobs. Just like the virtualization of work offshore today. Yet poor people coming to do the manual work that nobody seems to want to do are the focus of an economic ‘problem’.
Step 1) Cut education for Americans,
Step 2) Remove entry level jobs from 80% of industries,
Step 3) Bring in and underpay foreign workers because "nO OnE iS QUaliFiED"
Step 4)Profit
MAGA people think universities are indoctrinating our youth with socialist & woke ideologies. They don't want to become "skilled workers." They jerk off trade schools and beg for manufacturing to return so they can be the low skilled labor.
This is literally what they want, but what they don't understand is that their bosses will be foreigners with accents and a different skin tone from them.
Kicking out people who want to do the jobs that most Americans don’t want, while bringing in people to do the jobs that Americans are willing to go tens of thousands of dollars in debt to do.
When the whole point of the MAGA campaign was to bring to America…yet they want import works yet campaign on “Mass Deportation” and to de-naturalize citizens.
So basically another promise they are backing out of/turning their heads
The end game is Oligarchy and ‘strong man’ rule.
I know this sounds like hyperbole, but it’s not. These assholes love Victor Oban, and we have failed over and over again to understand that the GOP and MAGAts don’t want American democracy.
They aren’t full of it! They also ask “Do you also say that’s not a car, that’s a Ferrari?!”
Happens all the time. I seen it. Saw it happen yesterday, actually. ThreeCraftPee had to say it like two different ways before the other person got it.
It doesn't really shut them up, though. They don't think about their values or consider their viewpoint, they just go search for someone who isn't smart enough to pick apart their statements yet. They spend a lot of time searching for the right targets they can pretend validate their worldview while never reflecting on the fact that, if they have to make an effort at it, maybe they're picturing the scales of things wrong.
There is, but only in the sense that a democracy is a type of political system (where power is vested in the people either directly or via elected representatives) and a republic is a type of state (where the head of state is an elected official rather than a monarch or other hereditary role).
The two words aren’t interchangeable because they describe two different things. Here are a few examples of why they can’t be used interchangeably:
United States of America: Presidential republic, federal democracy.
Australia: Federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy, federal democracy.
United Kingdom: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy, parliamentary democracy.
People’s Republic of China: Unitary one-party socialist state.
Republic of Korea: Presidential republic, unitary democracy.
Myanmar: Military junta.
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea: Totalitarian dictatorship.
I understand the technical difference. But conservatives usually deploy this argument as an excuse to ignore the will of voters or generally ignore votes that were cast for something they don’t like.
My point is that neither system functions without votes being cast, counted, and respected. Neither a democracy or a republic will stay as such if the will of the voters is consistently ignored or reversed.
Exactly, and they're never arguing in good faith from a principled position. If votes are going their way then democracy is working as intended. If they aren't it's time to remember we're a republic and democracy is bad, actually.
In my state we pass constitutional amendments via direct democracy (citizen petitions that bypass the legislature and are approved via simple majority). Conservatives hate it because voters keep approving progressive policies on the general ballot and their supermajority in the legislature can't just ignore the will of the people like normal.
United States of America: Presidential republic, federal democracy, functional oligarchy since at least 2009 (ie: right after the subprime crash)
Feel like this is really important to call out. America hasn't been a true representative democracy in a long time due to the Senate being a fixed and unequal body. By now, the House should also have 150+ more Representatives/Congresscritters.
Adding:
Russia: Mostly totalitarian, oligarchy has been on display since Putin was first elected.
I mean, sure, but that’s not what the morons who say this mean. The just get their knickers in a twist about the word “democratic” anything, because they’ve all been programmed to.
Those of power, yes. But the dipshits at the bottom just regurgitate whatever faux news tells them to think. You can test the theory by asking them simple questions. Theyll melt down, insult you, and walk away in one sentence.
He can't plainly state anything lol. I know he said it, but if there's one person I can't stand listening to more than Tangerine Palpatine, it's Thiel.
it can very easily be if you realize that the rallying cry is always a smokescreen for racism, which easily takes hold in the weak-minded folks and in fact encourages them to stir up their own trouble while you continue robbing them blind.
"they took our jobs" when people were being laid off by hypercapitalist rich fucks to push them against brown people, for instance. brown people didn't take those jobs - in fact, most weren't taken at all, they just started letting people do the work of three or four people while telling them they couldn't be given raises due to economic uncertainty.
"but the price of eggs" is the one that just got us through the 2024 election, and the end result of that demand happens to be deporting immigrants, naturalized or otherwise. there's no direct link between the cost of eggs and the status of immigrants, after all, but, racism is going to racism when they think the world is out to get them.
People say the future will be 1984 or Brave New World, but we're actually heading into Dune. Aside from its ecological aspect, the book is also about feudalism.
He believed that feudalism was a natural condition humans fell into, where some led and others gave up the responsibility of making decisions and just followed orders.
Billionaires want to bring back monarchy. They want to be kings and queens who impose absolute rule over us. And Frank was right, history includes plenty of monarchy. We'll all be serfs living in kingdoms.
And America is cheering it on, they can't wait to stop thinking and let the royalty and AI decide things for us.
They also say they hate “elites” (code word for Jews and coastal denizens) but all of the people they idolize are always portrayed in suits and are wealthy in appearance
When you say 'we', I dont think you should include the Americans who NEVER in a MILLION YEARS voted for tRump....was horrified that he was ever elected. I have never voted for a republican because I/WE know they are always for the billionaire class. Please dont say WE in that statement. I knew when tRump came down the escalator that he was a fucking russian asset. ANYONE who paid attention would have known due to who he hired to run his campaign. I'm tired of this shit. Maybe it is time to become an expat.
Did you notice the other day they redefined Oligarchy as the bureaucratic workers of the government? This has been facinating to watch happen, from a dispassionate point of view. Now, back before the election, id probably be foaming at the mouth mad about it. Now, its just meh.
So, feudalism. Did they not pay attention to the part in history where a majority of the nobles/aristocrat's were killed or imprisoned? Every time some aristocracy has risen?
The fewer relevant powerholders, the fewer people oligarchs like Musk need to bribe. Business and dictators have always been strong allies because of this.
Even though wages have increased way slower than productivity. Fact is Americans are more productive than ever but being paid Jack shit compared to pre Reagan, just so the rich can hoard it all
Poor kids should be spending more time in the mines working off their debt we keep giving them. They shouldn't be wasting their time with gifts and presents.
If productivity is measured in wage to output ratio (which I bet is how Lone Skum would measure it) you bet they’re more productive than ever! Output go up, wage go sideways.
Roughly 400% increase in productivity since 1980, and 15% increase in wages.
Wage theft is one of the most common ways that the wealthy steal from the poor, is under-reported/under-enforced, and individual employees have almost no recourse.
Wage theft also takes the form of fixing raises across nearly all 'corporate' jobs at 3.5% across the board, in deliberately under-paying workers to "cut costs", and various other lies fed to Americans.
I wonder if they will use the 1940s Soviet Quota system. The great leader has ordered this factory to produce 10,000 cars this year if you fail you get moved to another factory where your feed less work twice as much and produce 3× times as much or you die what ever one comes first.
Get rid of the foreigners that we don't have to pay so we can force Americans to work the lowest paying jobs and then import cheaper foreigners to do the higher paying jobs
They won’t be successful. This is a complete about face on immigration. I’m sure he’s gonna try to make a racist point with it, but he already called white men “dumb”. I’m wondering if he truly believes he has this amount of pull with MAGA or if he’s sabotaging himself due to drug overuse or maybe even to start his own faction that’s loyal only to him. Whatever he’s trying to do, I know it’s not gonna work. It goes against core principles of MAGA.
There will be an op ed in the NYT next week, probably preceded by a letter to the editor from some respected economist who has just missed the Nobel Prize a few times.
-"Immigrants are job stealers, criminals and culturally inferior"
-"Immigrants are more hardworking, productive, beneficial to the economy and are easy to manipulate/assimilate."
Right-wingers often have contradicatory beliefs, but ignore that willingly. Orwell called it Doublethink in 1984.
"Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality." (Wikipedia)
I'm half expecting the spin they put on it to sound something like "these jobs are mostly in Big Tech, in liberal cities, so these ones won't *actually** take jobs from real Americans!"*
Canadian here, we’ve spent the last 3 years pumping our country full of temporary foreign workers. Take a note from our failures please.
Everyone is just now realizing how bad it is. We’ve increased the short term economy (which helped having worse inflation than already). But our GDP per person has gone way down. Bonus that it wreaked havoc on every aspect of our infrastructure. Housing, healthcare, etc.
You see, these aren't "immigunts thut gun terk er jerbs", these are "skilled workers brought in by daddy elon because Americans are too woke and liberal to work"
Never underestimate the ability of a cult member to excuse the cult leader
Luckily, Elon cultists and Trump cultists belong to different cults. They tolerate or support the other for common goals, but at the end of the day, there can only be one cult leader.
To an extent only. They have some hard boundaries, like "migrants bad". Even Trump received some backlash when he tried to tell them that COVID vaccines are actually a good idea, which goes against their idea of "vaccines bad".
He's basically repeating the same thing the maga crowd has said about how companies like Disney prefer foreigners, like they never heard it before.. but he's trying to frame it as a good idea? Boy, he's gonna have to backpedal on that real soon
Trump said, while he was president the first time, that he wanted to seize guns from people before charging them with anything. As a matter of policy that was what he wanted to do. He's on the record for this.
The NRA had some kind of performative outrage for a single second and Trump said sorry my bad, and everyone forgot about it.
Guns were unequivocally their hardest line in the sand, but when it comes to Trump, he has proven he can still just shit all over those lines.
"vaccines bad" came about entirely because Trump thought it would kill off Democratic areas - cities where people live - and bypass the largely rural areas Republicans tend to live in, so, he wanted as many people as sick as possible.
before that, the only folks who were usually anti-vax were crunchy granola hippie moms or conspiracy theorists. we just got a President who amplified and normalized conspiracy theories because he thought he'd get an easy political win out of COVID.
But now the message is “investing in Americans is a waste of time and effort” as opposed to “I love you and will give you cheap eggs 🍳 !” They might notice that Apartheid Clyde isn’t one of them.
They can be influenced by bad logic because their conclusions aren't logically motivated, they're motivated by emotional reactivity and self-interest. Any logic will do, to justify self interest and personal comfort.
If Musk treads too blatantly on that self interest, there will be a backlash, no matter how good his reasoning is.
I thought Maga was for Americans 😂 NOT under president Elmo. I thought he was anti immigration, but not if it means he can save money for his companies.
That's the saddest part -- they'll think he means to bring in foreign workers to replace *other* people's jobs. Computer Science folks / IT staff. Manufacturing. Obviously not my job /s
Yup. He's literally not beholden to anyone. At least Trump, in theory, has to keep his constituents happy enough to avoid losing his party the next election (ignore the fact that they're looking to remove the voting process over the next four years). Musk, however, just needs to buy the next guy, regardless of the outcome for this term. How do you stop a puppeteer with infinite strings? We got a glimpse of that a couple weeks ago.
worth pointing out that musk and trump aren't really even in agreement on many things. they're both bad for society in different ways, and will perhaps maximize the damage caused
They're practically begging to be used for cheap labor.
This will go one of two ways to be successful for President Elon. 1. We let ourselves be exploited, paid less, have less regulations for safety and accountability, 1900's working conditions etc etc etc or 2. it'll be someone else facing those conditions. Elon doesn't much care, I'd wager, who it is that is breaking their bones for him.
We're not getting out of this without a fight. And this [e: Musks tweet] was a threat.
It’s not hard to fool them. My dad thinks tariffs are the way to go. I’m on a cruise and sent him a video of a yacht with a smaller boat behind it and said in the video “tax the rich”
To him: “If we tax the rich they’ll raise prices. INFLATION!”
Moron doesn’t know how inflation works. Of course the billionaire wants tariffs. It means they buy product at cost and pass the tax straight to us. The wealthy will LOVE these tariffs. They’ll make record profits…again.
I said in the 20s we taxed the rich at 90% and you still had fuckin Rockefellers. MORON!
Billionaires actually don’t want tariffs. Idk what elons deal is but they are a market inefficiency. Even if you pass the cost on, people have limited budgets and will buy less.
It’s possible that the 10% tariff can be offset with dereg and tax cuts, but I don’t understand what purpose it serves since that wouldn’t change the cost equation to manufacture locally, it would be a wash + retaliatory tariffs. The rich are largely ignoring his tariff threats on Canada and Mexico because they are non sensical and self sabotaging in every way.
a minority of billionaires would be for it(perhaps they are in an industry that’s slated to be heavily protected, like aluminum) but majority (billionaire shareholders in every company that uses aluminum, like Boeing and other large manufacturers) would be against it. Those that have diversified portfolios would be against it.
On Bloomberg they treat it like trump being trump. Even bill ackman, a pro Trump hedge fund manager, suggests that it’s a negotiation tactic because it’s so gd stupid
Also tarriffs will drag the market down, and unless all these billionaires keep their money in gold bars or in savings accounts, their investment portfolios will decrease in value too.
Like the other reply mentioned, you're slightly missing it here. Heads of industry don't generally want tariffs (because they introduce unnecessary costs and depress revenue), but in a roundabout way, they still end up as the personal benefactors of inflationary policy because their wealth is locked up in assets, which tend to appreciate in nominal value during fiat inflation... (which deepens the wealth divide and further drives class inequality). So it's not that they'll be making record profits, but they will be weathering the consequences just fine.
Taxing the rich helps normal people because it is necessary to reign in our ballooning deficit (and thus put the brake on the creation -and devaluing- of money). If the working class ever wants new home ownership to be reasonable again and real purchasing power to go up, the US must curb the debasement of its currency.
They’ll just blame the immigrants for the fact they have no jobs led by Musk’s X all the while companies make these people work 100 hour weeks with the constant threat of ending their visas
I thought we were deporting all the immigrants? I can’t tell if he’s being serious in this post or if this is some kind of reverse psychology move to get people to smile while they eat shit after all the people who pick the fruit, build the houses, and process the meat are suddenly all gone?
No. The heritage foundation has been pro H1B for decades. This falls in line with their agenda of defunding public schools and social support programs for young people.
The problem is he doesn't realize he said this outloud to heavily armed racist xenophobes and racist white nationalists. Musk's and Vivek's own face might be on the menu.
I don't know if you've noticed but it's a cult. They don't rely on critical thinking skills, truth is just whatever the immigrant president tells them.
Does anyone have a link to this tweet? I've tried scouring Xitter and Google, can't seem to come up with the tweet itself. I have a few people I'd like to send it to.
He’s saying exactly the shit they hate too, him and Vivek both. I don’t know what planet they have been living on to think these tweets are going to convince anyone in maga to agree with them…
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Is this fucking moron really trying to (bad) logic his way out of this with maga folks?