He owns the largest right wing social media platform on the planet. Tomorrow MAGA spokespeople will be on Fox News talking about how great replacing unmotivated Americans with foreign workers will be for the economy.
Bringing in foreigners to take jobs from Americans while bragging about how good the economy is to people who don’t feel like it’s good… I swear I’ve heard this mentioned before by republicans. What was the context though?
Kicking out the people doing low-income jobs so Americans can have them, bringing in skilled labor, taking the jobs Americans might actually want because he can pay them less.
The funny shit is American laws about ITAR mean he'd still have some major issues with bringing in low cost foreign workers into SpaceX.
It might help him at Tesla since they don't have to pass nearly as stringent standards when hiring, AFAIK.
So he'd need to change out H!B policy and make the possibility of hostile countries getting nuke/advanced space access more likely to cut costs at his baby.
I'm sure Trump will be for it, but will the average Republican law maker?
This is essentially the natural progression from the now-old era of consolidating the skilled positions while paying less to the new person doing a job that used to be done by four (who all made more money.)
No, you don’t get it, we do have to kick out the illegals, and denaturalize brown citizens, so that we have a secure border. BUT, we will bring all of them back so we have a better economy. Elon is a genius, we would be able to secure the border and improve the economy, two birds one stone, but one bird in the bush the other in my hand.
I don't really want to give searches to looking into it but I'm pretty sure the other guy has a generation of being american that Musk could "borrow".
The incoming administration makes me sad to be an American... I wonder how the God Bless the USA guy feels about the non lubed anal rape of the USA.
Edit nevermind looked him up and he's partnered with trump on the Bible and he made a new music video of the song for Trump's campaign... Fuck Lee Greenwood.
By exploiting the people he has working for him, like all billionaires. Just because a con-man was successful in his con doesn't make it not a con, smart guy.
he wasn't a billionaire when he started as "under-qualified immigrant".
his father claimed he gave his sons kimbal & elon $28 000 to start their first company, zip2. elon denies this.
the fact that he's been able to keep this apparent con going for almost 30 years in the US is pretty impressive & perhaps reinforces the point regarding american intelligence
It hasn't even become official and I'm so fucking done with everything..... likeni shouldn't be this upset but the amount of sheer purposeful ignorance is astounding
Was Denmark serious about buying us? Because I would be willing to let this country go for cheap. Basically all of it was stolen, and fencing stolen goods is illegal, so maybe we just auction off the country
H1B visa to meet tech demands in the 1990s. It never stopped. Hillary was a mouthpiece for the tech companies for cheap labor. It’s always “a temporary measure while Americans get trained”.
It was quietly accepted by workers. Just like offshoring jobs. Just like the virtualization of work offshore today. Yet poor people coming to do the manual work that nobody seems to want to do are the focus of an economic ‘problem’.
Step 1) Cut education for Americans,
Step 2) Remove entry level jobs from 80% of industries,
Step 3) Bring in and underpay foreign workers because "nO OnE iS QUaliFiED"
Step 4)Profit
MAGA people think universities are indoctrinating our youth with socialist & woke ideologies. They don't want to become "skilled workers." They jerk off trade schools and beg for manufacturing to return so they can be the low skilled labor.
This is literally what they want, but what they don't understand is that their bosses will be foreigners with accents and a different skin tone from them.
Kicking out people who want to do the jobs that most Americans don’t want, while bringing in people to do the jobs that Americans are willing to go tens of thousands of dollars in debt to do.
When the whole point of the MAGA campaign was to bring to America…yet they want import works yet campaign on “Mass Deportation” and to de-naturalize citizens.
So basically another promise they are backing out of/turning their heads
The end game is Oligarchy and ‘strong man’ rule.
I know this sounds like hyperbole, but it’s not. These assholes love Victor Oban, and we have failed over and over again to understand that the GOP and MAGAts don’t want American democracy.
They aren’t full of it! They also ask “Do you also say that’s not a car, that’s a Ferrari?!”
Happens all the time. I seen it. Saw it happen yesterday, actually. ThreeCraftPee had to say it like two different ways before the other person got it.
It doesn't really shut them up, though. They don't think about their values or consider their viewpoint, they just go search for someone who isn't smart enough to pick apart their statements yet. They spend a lot of time searching for the right targets they can pretend validate their worldview while never reflecting on the fact that, if they have to make an effort at it, maybe they're picturing the scales of things wrong.
There is, but only in the sense that a democracy is a type of political system (where power is vested in the people either directly or via elected representatives) and a republic is a type of state (where the head of state is an elected official rather than a monarch or other hereditary role).
The two words aren’t interchangeable because they describe two different things. Here are a few examples of why they can’t be used interchangeably:
United States of America: Presidential republic, federal democracy.
Australia: Federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy, federal democracy.
United Kingdom: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy, parliamentary democracy.
People’s Republic of China: Unitary one-party socialist state.
Republic of Korea: Presidential republic, unitary democracy.
Myanmar: Military junta.
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea: Totalitarian dictatorship.
I understand the technical difference. But conservatives usually deploy this argument as an excuse to ignore the will of voters or generally ignore votes that were cast for something they don’t like.
My point is that neither system functions without votes being cast, counted, and respected. Neither a democracy or a republic will stay as such if the will of the voters is consistently ignored or reversed.
Exactly, and they're never arguing in good faith from a principled position. If votes are going their way then democracy is working as intended. If they aren't it's time to remember we're a republic and democracy is bad, actually.
In my state we pass constitutional amendments via direct democracy (citizen petitions that bypass the legislature and are approved via simple majority). Conservatives hate it because voters keep approving progressive policies on the general ballot and their supermajority in the legislature can't just ignore the will of the people like normal.
United States of America: Presidential republic, federal democracy, functional oligarchy since at least 2009 (ie: right after the subprime crash)
Feel like this is really important to call out. America hasn't been a true representative democracy in a long time due to the Senate being a fixed and unequal body. By now, the House should also have 150+ more Representatives/Congresscritters.
Adding:
Russia: Mostly totalitarian, oligarchy has been on display since Putin was first elected.
I mean, sure, but that’s not what the morons who say this mean. The just get their knickers in a twist about the word “democratic” anything, because they’ve all been programmed to.
Dictatorships are a tad different. Unlike a monarchy, it is not by necessity handed down through family lineage. If Kim Jung Un believed one of his generals would be a better replacement, for example, no line of succession demands that his progeny be the next in line.
There is one government. That one government may devolve some of its power down to smaller regional local governments, but ultimately those are part of the one singular government.
Federal governments, on the other hand, are a federation of somewhat-independent smaller governments. The concept of "States' rights" in the USA only exists because the central government is ostensibly a combination of all the individual states coming together to share governance.
To expand upon that, the United States is functionally more like the European Union government than, say, the French government. Its powers are derived entirely from the treaty between the states that authorised its formation (the Constitution of the United States of America). For all intents and purposes, the states are the real countries.
There is, but only in the sense that a democracy is a type of political system (where power is vested in the people either directly or via elected representatives) and a republic is a type of state (where the head of state is an elected official rather than a monarch or other hereditary role).
I was with you until you used the word totalitarian. It's just a buzz word developed so US rightwingers can make their favorite rightwing dictators look better.
China is a republic. They have to strip out the 'Democracy' part to get us there - then on to N. Korean standards. Waiting for them to erect a large statue to the cantaloupe Caligula soon.
Those of power, yes. But the dipshits at the bottom just regurgitate whatever faux news tells them to think. You can test the theory by asking them simple questions. Theyll melt down, insult you, and walk away in one sentence.
He can't plainly state anything lol. I know he said it, but if there's one person I can't stand listening to more than Tangerine Palpatine, it's Thiel.
it can very easily be if you realize that the rallying cry is always a smokescreen for racism, which easily takes hold in the weak-minded folks and in fact encourages them to stir up their own trouble while you continue robbing them blind.
"they took our jobs" when people were being laid off by hypercapitalist rich fucks to push them against brown people, for instance. brown people didn't take those jobs - in fact, most weren't taken at all, they just started letting people do the work of three or four people while telling them they couldn't be given raises due to economic uncertainty.
"but the price of eggs" is the one that just got us through the 2024 election, and the end result of that demand happens to be deporting immigrants, naturalized or otherwise. there's no direct link between the cost of eggs and the status of immigrants, after all, but, racism is going to racism when they think the world is out to get them.
People say the future will be 1984 or Brave New World, but we're actually heading into Dune. Aside from its ecological aspect, the book is also about feudalism.
He believed that feudalism was a natural condition humans fell into, where some led and others gave up the responsibility of making decisions and just followed orders.
Billionaires want to bring back monarchy. They want to be kings and queens who impose absolute rule over us. And Frank was right, history includes plenty of monarchy. We'll all be serfs living in kingdoms.
And America is cheering it on, they can't wait to stop thinking and let the royalty and AI decide things for us.
They also say they hate “elites” (code word for Jews and coastal denizens) but all of the people they idolize are always portrayed in suits and are wealthy in appearance
When you say 'we', I dont think you should include the Americans who NEVER in a MILLION YEARS voted for tRump....was horrified that he was ever elected. I have never voted for a republican because I/WE know they are always for the billionaire class. Please dont say WE in that statement. I knew when tRump came down the escalator that he was a fucking russian asset. ANYONE who paid attention would have known due to who he hired to run his campaign. I'm tired of this shit. Maybe it is time to become an expat.
Did you notice the other day they redefined Oligarchy as the bureaucratic workers of the government? This has been facinating to watch happen, from a dispassionate point of view. Now, back before the election, id probably be foaming at the mouth mad about it. Now, its just meh.
So, feudalism. Did they not pay attention to the part in history where a majority of the nobles/aristocrat's were killed or imprisoned? Every time some aristocracy has risen?
The fewer relevant powerholders, the fewer people oligarchs like Musk need to bribe. Business and dictators have always been strong allies because of this.
It's okay, most moderates are used to it by now. You guys promised a lot of "swear it's not hyperbole" last time around that never manifested. Still waiting for those concentration camps that kill all the Mexicans and trans people.
No not at all... But I was told he's going to be the next hitler and start killing off all the minorities. The hyperbole burned us and got him reelected. It has to stop
Even though wages have increased way slower than productivity. Fact is Americans are more productive than ever but being paid Jack shit compared to pre Reagan, just so the rich can hoard it all
Poor kids should be spending more time in the mines working off their debt we keep giving them. They shouldn't be wasting their time with gifts and presents.
If productivity is measured in wage to output ratio (which I bet is how Lone Skum would measure it) you bet they’re more productive than ever! Output go up, wage go sideways.
If productivity is measured in wage to output ratio
It's been a while since I was in grad school, but I remember being taught that America actually ranks among the most productive nations in the world by this measure. Could be remembering wrong.
Roughly 400% increase in productivity since 1980, and 15% increase in wages.
Wage theft is one of the most common ways that the wealthy steal from the poor, is under-reported/under-enforced, and individual employees have almost no recourse.
Wage theft also takes the form of fixing raises across nearly all 'corporate' jobs at 3.5% across the board, in deliberately under-paying workers to "cut costs", and various other lies fed to Americans.
I wonder if they will use the 1940s Soviet Quota system. The great leader has ordered this factory to produce 10,000 cars this year if you fail you get moved to another factory where your feed less work twice as much and produce 3× times as much or you die what ever one comes first.
Get rid of the foreigners that we don't have to pay so we can force Americans to work the lowest paying jobs and then import cheaper foreigners to do the higher paying jobs
They won’t be successful. This is a complete about face on immigration. I’m sure he’s gonna try to make a racist point with it, but he already called white men “dumb”. I’m wondering if he truly believes he has this amount of pull with MAGA or if he’s sabotaging himself due to drug overuse or maybe even to start his own faction that’s loyal only to him. Whatever he’s trying to do, I know it’s not gonna work. It goes against core principles of MAGA.
There will be an op ed in the NYT next week, probably preceded by a letter to the editor from some respected economist who has just missed the Nobel Prize a few times.
-"Immigrants are job stealers, criminals and culturally inferior"
-"Immigrants are more hardworking, productive, beneficial to the economy and are easy to manipulate/assimilate."
Right-wingers often have contradicatory beliefs, but ignore that willingly. Orwell called it Doublethink in 1984.
"Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality." (Wikipedia)
I'm half expecting the spin they put on it to sound something like "these jobs are mostly in Big Tech, in liberal cities, so these ones won't *actually** take jobs from real Americans!"*
Canadian here, we’ve spent the last 3 years pumping our country full of temporary foreign workers. Take a note from our failures please.
Everyone is just now realizing how bad it is. We’ve increased the short term economy (which helped having worse inflation than already). But our GDP per person has gone way down. Bonus that it wreaked havoc on every aspect of our infrastructure. Housing, healthcare, etc.
Wait a second, this sounds familiar, didn't Elon warn of a replacement? But of who? It seems like he was very concerned about a populace being replaced and is in fact the one doing the replacing. Irony is a bitch.
Computers are for nerds. Nerds are limp wristed homosexuals(not the word they would use). Replacing them with poor brown foreigners is a good way to get rid of those educated overpaid libtards.
Who actually uses computers anyway. All I need are my 7 and a half fingers, and my 8 toes.
I lost two fingers at my unregulated factory jobs, and a knuckle to a homemade firework. My toes are gone from diabetes. I can't afford the health insurance. God Trump bless U S.A. God Trump bless Chevron, and most importantly damn Hillary Clinton.
The amount of double-think required to keep blowing the operators of this clown car while they're fucking everyone over, year after year, must be fucking exhausting.
And POOF! Overnight those coming across the border are not invaders, rapists and murderers. They are coming to help Americans with cheap labor! You're welcome!
already have seen their talking points circulating around social media. Tech workers are over paid and their large salary expectations are stifling the economy and causing inflation. If we just get their wages down the GDP will sky rocket and everyone will be doing so much better afterwards.
Obviously it's 100% bullshit and of course targeting the few groups of people that managed to claw themselves a slightly bigger slice of pie instead of paying attention to those at the top that have an entire factory mass producing pies that they will never even eat but instead hoard in their giant pie pile.
Nah. Laura Loomer is feuding with him. We all knew he would have a falling out with Trump at some point. The question is how much power does he have over Trump. At a recent event, Trump was triggered and kept re-iterating Elon was not the president.
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He owns the largest right wing social media platform on the planet. Tomorrow MAGA spokespeople will be on Fox News talking about how great replacing unmotivated Americans with foreign workers will be for the economy.