r/DestinyTheGame Mar 01 '23

Byf blasts Lightfall campaign Media

In his new video MyNameIsByf expresses his profound disappoint with Lightfall and concern for Bungie's narrative capabilities and for the future of Destiny 2, particularly The Final Shape.

Here is a link to his video :

https://youtu.be/BcX6TjLbpWU

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u/Gray_Squirrel Mar 02 '23

His Macguffin comparison to Mass Effect 1 and how you can do a good narrative with a Macguffin was spot on.

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u/Graviton_Lancelot Mar 02 '23

IMO, everything could be considered a "macguffin." If LOTR came out today, some sycophant would be calling the Ring a macguffin. It's about using your skill as a writer to characterize and expand on the thing to make it a part of the story, and not just a macguffin to be taken/destroyed/whatever.

That being said, the veil and the radial mast are in the running for most macguffinest macguffins to ever macguffin.

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u/BetaThetaOmega Mar 02 '23

Well yeah, the ring is a macguffin. Macguffins, like all tropes, are not inherently good or bad, that are just dependant on the execution.

The ring works because of it’s connections to LotR’s themes about the corruption of power and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming evil.

The Veil doesn’t work because at it’s core, it does nothing to advance our understanding of the Light and Dark as thematic forces.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '23

We know what the ring does, we know why it's important, we know it's history and we very directly see the effects of the ring on everyone around it... it's very clear why it's important to protect it. It's still a macguffin, but it's a good one.

The Veil is something we know almost nothing about other than it's 'important', we get to see it, we know that it somehow is amplifying our access to Strand and that The Witness needs it to access The Traveler... that's pretty much it. And it ended up being as much of a red herring as it was a macguffin in the end, as it's clear we were never meant to prevent The Witness from using it.