Materialism is Debunked

[u/Lugh_Intueri]

Lawrence Anthony, a conservationist, had a close freindship with a herd of elephant at his game reserve in Africa. He had rescued and rehabilitated them and over time, they developed a trust.

Lawrence Anthony died in 2012. Two days after the elephant herd led by the matriarch traveled 12 miles to his home. They stayed there for two days, mourning as they do their dead.

The elephants had no material way of knowing about Lawrence's passing. There were no phone call, no messages, and no visible signs for them.

After this, the elephants returned again exactly one year later.

https://www.cbc.ca/strombo/news/saying-goodbye-elephants-hold-apparent-vigil-to-mourn-their-human-friend.ht

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/mind-blowing-power-of-love-20100925-15rl7.html

[u/Odd_Gamer_75]

So... elephants, who can smell water at 12 miles away, pick up on the scent of a dead man and travel 12 hours to get to him to mourn as they would for their own since he was, according to the first article, spending basically all his time with them... and you think there's no possible way they could have known about it.

If you say it's not confirmed that they smelled him, I agree... because nothing has been confirmed. You do not know how that happened, and to thus declare that you do know it was non-material is fallacious. Especially when 'they smelled him' is enough of an answer.

[u/Lugh_Intueri → u/Odd_Gamer_75]

This could possibly explain the initial trip but not the return trips annually

[u/ammonthenephite → u/Lugh_Intueri]

So what? Unless you can prove a non-materialistic explanation, this does nothing to 'debunk' materialism.

You saying "I just don't know how it happened!!!!" isn't debunking anything. All you are doing is showing you don't know how it happened and you don't know how the scientific method or claims and burden of proof work.

[u/Lugh_Intueri → u/ammonthenephite]

No. The work is being done. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

[u/ammonthenephite → u/Lugh_Intueri]

And you continue to provide nothing of substance. This is just another version of 'god of the gaps', nothing more.

[u/Lugh_Intueri → u/ammonthenephite]

Nope. I don't even know if it is god.

[u/ammonthenephite → u/Lugh_Intueri]

You don't even know that it wasn't materialism. You don't know, that is the point. "I don't know" does not equal "materialism is debunked". This entire post is a waste of time, good night.

[u/Lugh_Intueri → u/ammonthenephite]

Everything is a waste of time

[u/acerbicsun → u/Lugh_Intueri]

No it isn't. You've been exposed as being wrong, and it's painful. We get it. It's a very human response. But this is a good thing. Admitting one was wrong is one of the best things a person can do.

Now you don't have to be wrong any more.