r/CapitolConsequences • u/Temporary-Parsnip-81 • Jan 11 '21
This terrorist repeatedly beat capitol police with a hockey stick. Can we identify him? (More in comments) Unidentified suspect
Can we work together to identify this terrorist?
This man beat capitol police with a hockey stick.
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u/Temporary-Parsnip-81 Jan 11 '21
WARNING: graphic. You can watch a video here that shows this man repeatedly beating capitol police with a hockey stick. It is sickening. Go to around 58 seconds.
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u/stolsen Jan 11 '21
Is there an explanation why the Capitol Police didn’t use deadly force? They all had guns on them
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u/Ask_me_4_a_story Jan 11 '21
Or at least mace. I was at a Black Lives Matter march this summer and they were macing people who weren't doing anything. These fuckers were attacking police.
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u/Alethea_Crossing Jan 11 '21
I had to move because cops were acting like terrorists at the protests, and then terrorising the neighborhood the rest of the time.
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u/wish_it_wasnt Jan 11 '21
I believe it's a numbers game. They only had standard issue glocks. Likely with 15 rounds. They were trapped and surrounded, the moment you begin to shot i think the thought they would be over ran and killed.
Still, this is only my assumption. I think a lot were caught off guard by the violence. Thinking these people were "pro-law enforcement"- they should have absolutely used deadly force when that officer was dragged to his death.
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u/1893Chicago Jan 11 '21
I think if they had used lethal force that it could have gone either way. The woman that was shot in the neck seemed to stop the rest of the people going through the doorway where she was shot. I think seeing someone get shot right in front of you would quickly make a person realize what is going on and what side of the law they are on.
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u/PooPooDooDoo Jan 11 '21
If that had been a wide open area, the mob would have gone apeshit. Since you can only get a few people into that window at a time and there were guns drawn on that window (with evidence to show they would fire at will), people were like ok I will wait for someone else to go in.
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u/robca Jan 11 '21
If you watch that video, the moment she hits the floor there already are many fully armed people in tactical gear coming to help retake control (and they tried to help her). I'm pretty sure a full tac team did a lot to dissuade the insurrectionists from acting. When you have a crowd pumped full of adrenaline, shooting one of them usually only results in more out of control people
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u/PooPooDooDoo Jan 11 '21
This is what I have assumed. I know Reddit always wants to push the “the terrorists were white” story, but when a cop is getting fucked up, I doubt they would not want to use fatal force.
Mobs are fucked up, and a gun isn’t going to do jack shit if you are outnumbered 50 to 1. You can’t shoot 5 people and hope everyone is going to just bail. The whole thing reminds me of the beginning scene in the movie Argo when the embassy is being stormed. You are basically at the mercy of a lot of emboldened angry people. If you do anything to piss then off and make them feel threatened without the proper force.. you are probably going to die a horrible death.
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u/AllTheWine05 Jan 11 '21
I've thought about this a bit. It would be 100% justified by what they experienced. One could suggest that they showed that they have the restraint when they want to (a different conversation, of course) and that they managed to save all but 5 people by doing what they did.
Still, if you are facing a mob like that, killing 100 people won't stop the other 10k. The only viable options are to buy congress/senate time, use whatever physical barriers you have to your advantage to buy time, and not resist when you're overrun. The only other option is to let loose and clog the doorways with bodies, which is a fucking horrific option (and isn't possible with what appears to be a few handguns among the police).
As it turns out, controlled losing is the best option in many cases.
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u/Disk_Mixerud Jan 11 '21
I also wouldn't have been surprised if a few terrorists started returning fire if they were shot at.
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u/ChaiTeaFanatic Jan 12 '21
Because clearly they are all such “American Americans” they would almost certainly have guns on them
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u/etanner37 Jan 11 '21
That’s what I have been saying. They knew that if they fired on that mob, everyone in that building would be dead. It’s the only thing that makes sense.
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u/Temporary-Parsnip-81 Jan 11 '21
I haven’t really heard anything definite but, I do know that they were trying to pull some of their own guys back into the doorway. So maybe they didn’t have a clear shot? I really have no idea.
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u/reyortsedrats Jan 11 '21
Most of the rioters were white.
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u/Boogalucifer Jan 11 '21
Yeah that's probably why they didn't tear gas and arrest them and kill one of them. Oh wait.
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u/mracrawford Jan 11 '21
If the protestors were black, and acting equally violent, there would be a lot more deaths than there were.
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u/CrapskiMcJugnuts Jan 12 '21
Shut the fuck up, traitor. Just your username suggests you’re a alt-right fucktard and a quick review of your comments confirms it. Hang from the gallows, traitor.
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u/DotBetaSDK Jan 11 '21
From what I have read they were told to be unarmed and not use deadly force by higher ups, how high is what the real question is.
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u/BombBombBombBombBomb Jan 11 '21
My guess would be, the amount of people present
you might wanna shoot 1 specific person
but you risk shooting people behind them (potentially innocent people)
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u/Chasing_History Jan 11 '21
My understanding is that they were ordered not to by CP commander but I'm not positive thats been confirmed
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u/stolsen Jan 11 '21
It seemed like training or specific orders must have kept their guns holstered. A movie would have had those cops shooting into the air to scare the crowd and get them back (but that’s movies) There were lots of situations where the police were threatening to mace but only brandished the can without spraying as the crowd was so close and unruly. Looked like some of them could’ve disarmed the police of their guns. I just thought it was odd the police weren’t threatening the crowd with pointed guns in some of the vids I saw.
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u/Kdl76 Jan 11 '21
A couple of police are dead and many are injured because of this fiasco. I can’t make sense of this. It feels like the start of a civil war though.
The public gets desensitized to political violence through right wing government backed riots like we saw last week.
After these riots right wing media blasts everyone with propaganda about BLM protesters and George Floyd protesters.
Rinse/repeat. Rwanda and Yugoslavia here we come.
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u/tempurpedic_titties Jan 11 '21
A couple? Did someone else die?
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u/StripeyMittens Jan 11 '21
Yes, by suicide, circumstances unclear. https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-capitol-police-officer-howard-liebengood-death-20210110-ou4fzbyle5aoti3i5kj5qti2ha-story.html
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u/VelocityGrrl39 Jan 11 '21
I wonder if he was the one that fired the shot that killed that traitor?
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u/PiratePilot Jan 11 '21
The guns drawn was the Secret Service protecting the Vice President. They have no reason to deescalate a situation. Their job is asset protection.
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u/2Salmon4U Jan 11 '21
That was actually confirmed to be the capitol police and not secret service
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u/stolsen Jan 12 '21
Yeah was the guy that shot the woman Secret Service? He seemed to be rationing bullets. Seriously, one round/clear message only when completely necessary and not a second before—and they retreated. But it seemed he only had the one pistol.
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u/designgoddess Jan 11 '21
Chanting I can’t breathe. Classy bunch.
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u/boogetyboo Jan 11 '21
And USA. Says it all really.
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u/Sparehndle Jan 11 '21
Reminiscent of a crowd yelling, "Crucify him!" Yep, these are truly Christlike Christians. /s
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u/VelocityGrrl39 Jan 11 '21
Ugh, the chanting of I can’t breathe is like spitting on George Floyd and Eric Garner’s grave. These people are absolutely disgusting.
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u/starfishbfg Jan 11 '21
For what it's worth, hockey stick guy crawls inside the building through the bottom left window frame at the 3:55 mark of this same video.
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u/salparadis Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
I’m not sure if this qualifies as helpful identifying information, but the hockey stick is an Easton with a Christian blade. Old stick, two pieces (composite shaft and wooden blade). That diamond pattern blade design was a marketing feature of Christian. I can see the ‘TON’ in the Easton typeface (on higher quality pics). Also it’s old (besides the blade being wooden and square toe) because the Christian Brothers dissolved in 2003.
EDIT: Ok, so after extensive research I’m thinking the stick is an Easton Z Bubble Grip (with Christian blade. The color scheme (silverish/blue and orange) matches as does the lettering and layout. I believe the Z Bubble line came out in the late 90s (by 2001, one piece composite sticks came out). This would likely put him between 30–40 (assuming it’s his stick).
Feel free to share info on Twitter if helpful—I know there’s a hockeystickman thread, I just don’t have an account.
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Jan 11 '21
Yes, definitely an Easton and in another photo you can see more of the name (2nd to last pic in the series)- https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ1thpEFHzM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
In this photo you can see the blade, I believe it's specifically a left-handed Christian Puck Master replacement blade pattern 18. As seen here and here.
IDK How that might be helpful but, there it is.
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u/therealaubs Jan 11 '21
I don’t know if this would help the FBI but they have an open tip line on their website right now. Could be helpful. I’ll update with the link.
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u/Pompousguy Jan 11 '21
Haha! Was just about to say this. That’s an ollld stick. So probably not a current hockey player/dad.
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u/themanny Jan 11 '21
I saw that the first time and thought it's a composite stick thing only weighs like 20 ounces but the wood blade makes a difference.
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u/tinwhistler Jan 11 '21
he may have been arrested already.
One person arrested was charged with possessing a “military style automatic weapon” and 11 molotov cocktails, prosecutors said. Another defendant was charged with assaulting a police officer with a hockey stick
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u/somethingspiffy Jan 11 '21
The guy arrested for the molotovs was the geezer.
”ANOTHER defendant was charged with assaulting a police officer with a hockey stick"
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u/89LeBaron Jan 11 '21
Feels like unless the FBI is asking for help identifying suspects, we shouldn’t be worried about finding people. Y’all really think the FBI isn’t on top of this shit 1000x what any of us are?
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u/Disk_Mixerud Jan 11 '21
Crowdsourcing is an extremely powerful, if equally unwieldly, weapon.
People have all sorts of random obscure knowledge that could prove to be weirdly useful. Not to mention the possibility of identifying people we actually know. More eyeballs on something with such a massive amount of information to sift through can always help.
Edit: And the FBI actually is asking for help identifying people.
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u/89LeBaron Jan 11 '21
but not this particular person?
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u/Disk_Mixerud Jan 11 '21
Sounds likely they already got him. People didn't know that when they started looking though.
FBI asked for help in general, not on individual cases.
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u/stolsen Jan 11 '21
When protesting Prop 8 in Los Angeles, we were warned that it was a crime to have sticks holding up our signs wider than an inch and thicker than a 1/4 inch. And the Mormon church was completely surrounded with long rifle-wielding cops in full black paramilitary gear/helmets and German Shepherds.
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u/Skipperdogs Jan 11 '21
Disgusting. Why the hell didn't they shoot them? Me - I'm breaking ranks. The situation has changed and I'm using lethal force. I won't be beat on because my bosses said no violence. In the rest of America doing shit like that gets you killed.
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Jan 11 '21
Apparently most of the Capitol police weren't even armed. Explains why they barely fought - a lot of them were terrified.
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u/Disk_Mixerud Jan 11 '21
They didn't "barely fight." A lot of them fought heroically given their position. Only backing off when there was literally nothing they could do. Their efforts probably bought enough time to get everybody inside the building secured.
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Jan 13 '21
A lot of them fought, a lot of them didn't, which is evident from the videos. Those who are saying HOW COULD THEY JUST LET THEM THROUGH LKDJFISJEROIJLKCJLKMN may not realize some officers did not actually have weapons. Faced with 1000s of armed angry men (and a handful of women) - I might step aside too.
But you are right, a lot of the Capitol police were true heroes that day. That shouldn't be discounted. I didn't mean for my comment to generalize so broadly.
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u/StrangeBedfellows Jan 11 '21
Well, it would be into a crowd, and there are only so many bullets. It's possible that they didn't want to make a situation worse or sign their own death warrants
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u/Lunar_Cats Jan 11 '21
I have a feeling that the threat of these gun nuts shooting back at them, and most likely hitting other people in the process, probably saved a lot of traitors from being shot. It's one thing to shoot at an individual, but when its an armed mob thousands strong?
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u/starstruckinutah Jan 11 '21
Meanwhile, D.C. Police Chief Robert J. Contee III vowed that his department would arrest “each and every one of the violent mob,” and said that investigators are circulating information publicly and to FBI offices nationwide, including photos of rioters destroying property inside the Capitol on Wednesday. He said the department is offering a $1,000 reward for any tip leading to the arrest of a rioter.
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u/TheBostonCorgi Jan 11 '21
If you have leads, report them to the FBI. Going on an online witch hunt ends up with people accusing/doxxing the wrong person.
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u/Temporary-Parsnip-81 Jan 11 '21
Here is a photo of him in action. I’ve started trying to compile photos/ videos with him in it. I can’t stand this kind of stuff and the thought of him getting away with this I’d sickening.