r/worldnews • u/DomesticErrorist22 • 1d ago

Preliminary investigation confirms Russian missile caused Azerbaijan Airlines crash Russia/Ukraine

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras

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u/nebeatsimenu 1d ago

They did this for the second time, they need to have consequences for this kind of shit. Ffs, russia is like a deranged neighbor for whole Europe and we have to casually deal with the shit they do.

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u/BubsyFanboy 1d ago

What else can we do besides a direct assault on Russia though?

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u/solarcat3311 1d ago

Blockade them and wall them off from the world. If no plane fly near Russia, then Russia can't shoot down more plan.

They can enjoy being NK.

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u/snoogins355 1d ago

Cut off access to CS:GO

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u/Bostolm 1d ago

"Suprising reports from russia, where just 3 hours after shutting down acces to CS:GO, the entire infrastructure has failed and Putin was announced dead"

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u/nboymcbucks 1d ago

Total collapse would come shortly after

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u/snoogins355 1d ago

Pretty sure a revolution would happen

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u/ambushka 1d ago

And Dota 2

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u/ArcanePariah 1d ago

That would do WONDERS for the game. Haven't played in years, but I remember the running joke about the server select screen just being variants of Russia.

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u/IEatLamas 1d ago

Ik it's a joke, but yeah seriously, cut them off from steam, epic games, everything.

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u/snoogins355 1d ago

Hard love

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u/JuanPunchX 1d ago

You cyka'ed your last blyat.

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u/rach2bach 1d ago

Honestly not a bad idea.

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u/Quizmaster_Eric 1d ago

What, and risk starting another world war?

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u/scheppend 1d ago

that steam is still accessible by Russians is ridiculous. Gabe really should get criticized for this

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u/NoirVPN 22h ago

naaa hit em where it hurts...cut off access to fortnite, overwatch and rainbow six siege.

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u/SporadicSheep 1d ago

Are you trying to radicalise them?

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u/spen8tor 15h ago

Are they not already?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

remove tarkov. russia funnels money from america with games via steam.

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u/Amazing-Explorer7726 1d ago

Tarkov is not on steam

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u/PhuqBeachesGitMonee 1d ago

Battlestate Games is headquartered in London and is an English company now

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u/lethargy86 1d ago

I haven't followed in a while, but do they actually develop from there now? Thought that was just like their satellite office and means to receive payments from the Western world more easily.

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u/YakuzaFanAccount 1d ago

Now that's too far

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u/Quantrol 17h ago

Counter-terrorists win🚔

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u/Paterbernhard 17h ago

Please do, then I can finally play the game again in peace 🥲

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u/spiritus29 1d ago

I wish I could upvote this a thousand times lol

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u/Phantasmalicious 1d ago

It would be a real Christmas if Western companies stopped letting Russians on most game servers… But nah, lets discount the shit out subs for Russians and let them wreak havoc.

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u/stafdude 1d ago

Steam should block all russian IPs and introduce VPN detectors.

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u/Annual-Gas-3485 1d ago

Should rather be on the publisher to decide, implement and maintain.

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u/needsatissue 1d ago

Woh, lets not take the nuclear option yet... /s

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u/Little-Derp 1d ago

Cut them off from the rest of the world's internet would be a nice improvement; cut off any country's internet that refuses to cut Russia out. They've tested their internal system, and their intranet still works; they'll be fine.

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u/Rare-Dragonfruit-488 1d ago

That's a great idea. wall off communication coming out of Russia. Russian misinformation has done great damage to democracies around the world.

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u/Southside_john 1d ago

They send disinformation from other areas outside of Russia. They gave troll farms set up in Africa for example

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u/kogmaa 1d ago

So cut the country off too until they throw the Russians out. The western countries are acting much too timid - they are basically encouraging aggression.

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u/Southside_john 1d ago

Well unfortunately for anyone in the US, that ship has sailed for the next 4 years at least. Nothing is going to be done

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u/ShavenYak42 17h ago

Don’t take this as an apology for the incoming shitshow, but I seriously doubt a hypothetical Harris administration would have done much of anything either.

I am in favor of completely stopping trade and cutting ties with them until/unless they start to be good world citizens. I just don’t get why our politicians are too scared to take that stance.

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u/commissar0617 1d ago

Set up broadcast systems for TV and radio.

Enforce a quarantine of the baltic sea and black sea.

Cutting off russian internet will help our national cybersecurity.

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u/dopplegrangus 1d ago

Do NK too

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u/commissar0617 1d ago

I feel like the US should just issue letters of marqe against north Korean vessels

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u/NewCobbler6933 1d ago

No better way to ensure a populace believes their government’s misinformation than ensuring that’s the only info they get.

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u/DHonestOne 1d ago

That's the thing: they already do.

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u/rps215 1d ago

Suddenly Fox News would be a static screen

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u/wkw3 1d ago

They'll continue funding RWNJs to get their message out.

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u/Ed_the_time_traveler 1d ago

And you would effectively kill the internet. It would become nothing but a walled intranet as each country stood up firewalls to block everyone else.

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u/Budderfingerbandit 1d ago

I don't see the issue with that. The amount of foreign government misinformation plaguing Western societies is untenable in its current state.

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u/Aggressive-Repair251 1d ago

India would cut ties with them in a day if their call centers went down for even an hour.

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u/Choozery 1d ago

Cut them from the only possible source of truth? What a wonderful gift for russian propaganda!

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u/william_f_murray 1d ago

That's not the rest of the world's problem, though.

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u/Choozery 1d ago

Sure, like 20th century Germany wasn't the worlds problem at first.

Evil cannot be contained. It has to be defeated and kept down. Russian economy is running to shit on full speed because of sanctions. As soon as the life for the elites would be worse than without Putin, they'll get rid of him

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u/william_f_murray 1d ago

So what do you propose? Cut them off from the rest of the world and they'll take care of it themselves. Russia is powerless without its oil money, they can't do a thing if no one is able to buy from them. They'll either learn to play nicely with the rest of the kids or its people will revolt, there aren't many other options. Deposing a leader hasn't really worked out well for the US in the last 60 years or so.

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u/Little-Derp 1d ago

North Koreans still get outside programming via USB sticks from the outside world. Gets harder every year, but I doubt the Russian government can put as much of a stop as North Korea does. They will still get information, and travel abroad; just makes it that much harder for outgoing cybercrime and misinformation campaigns (and possibly easier to track as any would have to occur in more friendly countries.

We aren't at war with Russia, but Russia sure is at war with us.

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u/MarvelousLim 1d ago

Thats a hilarious audacity to call western propoganda machine a "source of truth" thought.

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u/Choozery 1d ago

Truth-er?

World-wide internet is way less censored, so there is more truth than in country-wide isolated infospace

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u/MarvelousLim 1d ago

There is little need in censorship when you all live in your informational bubbles. Look no further that this comment section, you all have exact same "true" opinion, lol.

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u/ItsMeYourSupervisor 1d ago

Your dissent is noted. :)

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u/boyden 1d ago

History has taught us that we still need to be able to communicate with those inside to monitor what atrocities are happening. They also need to be able to see the outside word to contradict the internal propaganda.

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u/Little-Derp 1d ago

Historically, telegraph, radio, TV, and telephone didn't allow access into computer systems and networks. Most of those don't now either, but phones can be used for internet access. Government, military, utility, and civilian systems can all be hacked nowadays with a bi-directional data transfer. Transfer. Radio and television broadcast do still exist, so it's not completely cutting them off either.

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u/H1ll02 19h ago

They are doing it on their own. Youtube was recently banned there.

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u/Me_JustMoreHonest 1d ago

The internet should be a human right. At worst it should be a read only set up where they can't post or participate. Knowledge should never be restricted

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u/Little-Derp 1d ago

An interesting idea. Not sure if possible with existing protocols though. I'd have the thought to drop all outgoing traffic, but handshakes are bi-directional, and feel like with current protocols, any such drop would just mean it outright doesn't work.

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u/SubstantialUse3281 1d ago

This plan punishes the innocent citizens of Russia as well

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u/unixuser011 1d ago

IMO, there’s no such thing anymore. This war has been going on for almost 3 years now and they are still supporting it. If they were so ‘innocent’ where is the mass protests, where is the opposition

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u/SubstantialUse3281 1d ago edited 1d ago

I personally know a lot of people from Russia, they play a lot of video games. Most are good people. Taking the internet would make a lot of people very sad, especially my gamer friends. It’s a very big country you can’t say “there is no such thing anymore as innocent people” that is a ridiculous and ignorant statement.

Of course there is opposition but what do you expect unarmed citizens to do against a blindly loyal Russian military?

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u/unixuser011 1d ago

what do you expect unarmed citizens to do against a blindly loyal Russian military?

to fight them

But you've just said it, 'blindly loyal' is the problem - if they are really that brainwashed, then there is no saving them as they were OK with Russia shooting down unarmed, civilian aircraft (MH17), they were OK with the numerous massacres and warcrimes committed in Ukraine, they were OK with the kidnapping of children and shipping them to Russia (also a warcrime and an act of Genocide)

I'd expect them to rise up and overthrow Putin and the entire Oligarchy, but instead they're wasting their time on a Western invention (even though they claim to hate the West) letting Putin get away with Genocide

If they do nothing, the blood of hundreds of thousand Ukrainians is on their hands

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u/SubstantialUse3281 1d ago

I’m just not sure what you expect unarmed people to do against armed people.

My main point anyways is that there is a lot of good people in Russia who don’t deserve such punishment.

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u/unixuser011 1d ago

If everyone had the same pacifism (read: Cowardice) that you do stuff like the Arab Spring would not have been possible, people will die in a revolution, but the ends justify the means

there are a lot of good people in Russia who don’t deserve such punishment

Really? Where are they?

Are these the same Russians that march behind banners proclaiming ‘onwards to Berlin’ and how Russia is to conquer the world, doesn’t sound very innocent to me

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u/SubstantialUse3281 1d ago

I’ve met good people from Russia. That’s enough proof I need

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u/Scavenged1312Item 1d ago edited 1d ago

Where's that country that's famous for inciting revolt in other countries when you need it? Too busy fighting itself, apparently.

Edit: I mean the USA, which is fighting itself like it's Tyler Durden.

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u/Unlikely_Arugula190 1d ago

There will always be money to be made by trading with Russia. Just a recent example https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/12/24/bmw-confirms-luxury-cars-were-sold-to-russian-buyers-despite-sanctions

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u/solarcat3311 1d ago

Of course. That's why Russia still exist. More profitable to keep around.

But maybe we can spare some profit to see them devastated.

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u/NotAComplete 1d ago

Spare some profit? That sounds an awful lot like communism comrade Solarcat. We can't have that.

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u/AndrewDoesNotServe 1d ago

Well no, it’s because they have nukes…?

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u/Sky_Ill 1d ago

Yeah but while you’re sparing profit someone else will capitalize on it

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u/solarcat3311 1d ago

They'll be force to transport by land, massively decreasing profit for anyone trying to capitalize on it.

Also the fact that Kaliningrad would likely retort to cannibalism after a few weeks.

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u/Excelius 1d ago

For what it's worth this flight was between Russia and Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan is a Russian ally. Obviously they're not going to shut down their own airspace to themselves.

The pilot of Flight 8243 was reportedly a Russian citizen, as were about a quarter of the passengers. This time they're killing their own (and their own allies).

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u/Scavenged1312Item 1d ago

they're killing their own

Classic Putin...

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u/ruth1ess_one 1d ago

Countries aren’t gonna cut off Russia same reason they won’t cut off Saudi Arabia. NK has practically zero natural resources. If they had oil out their ass, you bet they won’t be cut off.

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u/fitnesswill 1d ago

Tell India and China

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u/SlurpinNBurpin 1d ago

If we enacted a no fly zone in Ukraine years ago we wouldn’t be in this situation

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u/ricobirch 1d ago

That would be an act of war

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u/SmoothSire 1d ago

And dump all of our garbage into Russia via catapult for the rest of time. Let them be the world's landfill.

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u/oranurpianist 1d ago

Blockades and trade restrictions for a black-market cleptokracy is like passing a law prohibiting child pornography thinking 'ha, that will show them'.

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u/bottom 1d ago

block the airspace or economics? cause theyve both been done.

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u/solarcat3311 1d ago

No?

Russian ship still sails through danish strait. Or in mediterranean sea.

Russian train still pass through NATO nations to reach Kaliningrad today. It's not blocked, even though it could be.

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u/Splenda 1d ago

I agree, but this isn't about Russia alone. Its also about the network of numerous other autocracies and Western banks that help Russia evade sanctions. Russia sells its oil to China, India, Cuba, Kyrgystan and so on. Russia launders its money through a vast network of Western financial companies and real estate properties, often with the help of Western tax havens in Malta, South Dakota, the Caymans and so on.

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u/MichealRyder 1d ago

They have China, and China is extremely to the global economy. The US will probably just put more sanctions and call it a day

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u/solarcat3311 1d ago

The issue is transportation cost. There's a reason container ships are used widely, even for places with land bridge.

Blocking their ships alone would devastate trade with china, as everything had to be shipped across their vast land

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u/BustDemFerengiCheeks 1d ago

I have a feeling they'll get as repressive as NK eventually when that happens. The humanitarian impact on the world when a country is as large (and nuclear) as Russia going completely 1984 (and let's be serious they're not there, at least yet) would be earth shattering.

I don't know what answer is best, but I think people who get all jingoistic with Russia forget about Weimar.

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u/cantaloupecarver 1d ago

A blockade is an act of war. May as well just actually fight them. (No, this isn't a good idea.)

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u/OneSalientOversight 1d ago

A complete and total trade block, and a blocking for any country that trades with Russia.

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u/existential_chaos 1d ago

Pfff, I wish that would happen but Europe and everyone else is too worried about red tape and escalations.

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u/djfl 1d ago

Ah, idealists. Never change.

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u/Choozery 1d ago

Evil cannot be contained

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u/allstarrunner 1d ago

Not make gas line deals with them would be a good start

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u/TheGreatButz 1d ago

Physically cut internet cables and disconnect Russia from the internet as best as possible. Agreeing not to partake in any negotiations with Russia unless fixed conditions are met, due for re-negotiation after 1 year. Complete economic boycott of Russia. Giving Ukraine more long-range weapons with the permission to strike anywhere in Russia. Closing embassies in Russia and closing Russian embassies in Western countries except for Switzerland.

These are just examples, there are many more possibilities.

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u/andrijas 1d ago

They will just route stuff through china and other countries...just like they are still selling gas and oil to europe

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u/Amberskin 1d ago

Then firewall the heck off any country who routes Russian IP packets. No need to cut any cable.

The ‘west’ is the first China customer. They won’t risk their economy to save Putin’s ass.

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u/midas22 1d ago

That would be a lot of countries.

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u/Amberskin 1d ago

Yep. Until they stop Russian packets. Fortunately it does not require physical action.

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u/midas22 1d ago

And we should stop all VPN services that allow Russian customers as well?

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u/Amberskin 1d ago

To use a VPN service you must be able to reach the VPN provider. If Russian packets are allowed in the VPN provider country that should also be firewalled.

So yes, but that would be unnecessary because the country hosting the VPN server should block Russian IPs.

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u/midas22 1d ago

That means that we would require all countries in the world to block Russian IPs, that's hardly doable. We can't really agree on anything on a global scale.

I just geoblock all traffic from China and Russia for my web sites but it doesn't really stop them.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 1d ago

No, we'd just need to ban peering with anyone who peers with a Russian AS.

"Shadow peering" may be a thing for a while but you can't hide a country's worth of Internet traffic.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 1d ago

Only those that would rather have a LAN party with Russia rather than being part of the Internet that the rest of the world uses.

The part with the Windows update servers, Github, Cloudflare, major cloud providers, ...

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u/commissar0617 1d ago

Just tell china that we will apply further sanctions to them if they help russia. It's time to play hardball.

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u/AntidoteWizard 1d ago

Physically cut internet cables and disconnect Russia from the internet as best as possible. Agreeing not to partake in any negotiations with Russia unless fixed conditions are met, due for re-negotiation after 1 year. Complete economic boycott of Russia.

How are you going to do that when there's a bunch of non-aligned/allied countries that's refusing to cooperate with western sanctions?

Giving Ukraine more long-range weapons with the permission to strike anywhere in Russia.

Didn't the Biden administration already do that a few weeks ago?

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u/william_f_murray 1d ago

I think you might not understand what the word "more" means.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 1d ago

How are you going to do that when there's a bunch of non-aligned/allied countries that's refusing to cooperate with western sanctions?

By making them pick a side - either they participate in the sanctions or also get sanctioned.

Not saying that it's a good idea or wouldn't make them upset, but it's almost certainly feasible.

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u/BigHowski 1d ago

Dude that'll do more harm than good. The only counter to their internal propaganda is external news sources

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u/Ahad_Haam 1d ago

You know how many bots Russia operates on social media?

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u/shimian5 1d ago

nyet

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u/BubbleTea1440P 1d ago

The west is the only one losing the propaganda war so far, better cut it off.

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u/CrazyBaron 1d ago

Cutting Russia off internet doesn't mean it's propaganda war stops in anyway.

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u/Private__Redditor 22h ago

Why Switzerland?

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u/TheGreatButz 19h ago

Switzerland traditionally fulfills this role (though it's not a given they will, of course).

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u/ghghghghghv 18h ago

They’ll just route through India and China instead.

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u/decimeci 1d ago

They are already are trying to do that themselves, by cutting off internet you would just make their lives easier

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u/nicuramar 1d ago

No they aren’t, not really. They are testing the possibility to do so, but it’s likely not in their interest.

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u/vonkempib 1d ago

Well for starters, let’s all stop flying planes in their territory. No more flights in or out. Russian airlines are fucked already because of sanctions. Now fuck any moderately well of citizen that remains purposely ignorant, let’s cancel their ability to experience quick easy, safe are travel to majority of not all of the civilized world.

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u/Milanush 1d ago

Quick and easy? I've been flying out of Russia one year ago, through Istanbul on Turkish airlines. It's not quick and easy, it's expensive as hell, long and exhausting. According to you me and my wife should be staying in Russia and face persecution for being LGBT? We fled Russia because we are not fucking ignorant. People who are ignorant, purposely or not, are not flying anywhere. You should think a little before posting such statements.

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u/vonkempib 1d ago

I do understand the Russian people are not evil but explain to me how the rest of the world should handle your pariah government?

Let’s ask this, why do innocent citizens of other countries have to be ok with being shot out of the sky?

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u/Milanush 6h ago

They shouldn't be ok with it. They should demand that Russia admits it and pays compensation to the victims and their families. As to what the rest of the world should do - stop being teethless and stop half assed measures. They need to aim at Putin and his cronies. But everyone is scared of completely cutting him off or they are busy having a profit from current state of things. Either act or not act at all. Because he doesn't understand half measures he only understands strength. World almost didn't react in 2014. I thought that the sanctions would be immediate. It was laughable reaction from the world.

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u/Canadaguy78 1d ago

It's just a matter of time. The longer we try to avoid the unavoidable the worse it'll be.

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u/The_JSQuareD 1d ago edited 1d ago

Give way, way more support to Ukraine. The west is giving Ukraine just enough to hold out while for the most part continuing a normal, peace-time economy. Total aid by Europe over the past 2.5ish years is something like €124 billion, or €50 billion or so per year. EU GDP is €17 trillion. So aid to Ukraine amounts to around 0.3% of GDP per year. It's even less for the US.

The cost of the aid sent to Ukraine so far is miniscule compared to the cost cuts that have been made to European defense budgets since the end of the cold war.

If the west really wanted to, they could easily give Ukraine what they need to win this war.

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u/Strong-Piccolo-5546 1d ago

other countries can ban flights to russia because its too dangerous.

US can put 1000% tariffs on all russian goods. This would be barely noticible to the US, we dont have a ton of trade with russia , but given russias economy is weak and smaller than us, it would hurt them. Trump loves to threaten to tariff everyone other than Russia. He does not want to Tariff Melania's boyfriend. She will get mad and Trump is a good boy.

name russia a state sponsor of terror like Iran and North Korea. This basically bans all american companies from trading with russia and bans us working with banks, etc... that trade with russia. This would have radical consequences on the russian economy. You can leave an exception for oil and gas since that would cause all kinds of political consequences.

we can send more aid to Ukraine. Pressure our allies to do more. Let Ukraine hit anywhere in Russia. Let them use Satellite intelligence inside of russia so they can target inside of russia.

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u/missionarymechanic 1d ago

Fund the hell out of Ukraine and shut down the skies over it. Give them the tools to interdict any launch site from Russia. Shut down all trade with them.

No one West of Warsaw needs an army if Russia founders in Ukraine. They are the only meaningful protagonist left in the theater, and the financiers of many smaller ones. We don't have to attack, they just have to lose.

They can be broken now, or we can keep spending money like crazy on armaments for the next century.

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u/reversesumo 1d ago

Shoot down their planes and insist it's an accident forever. Ivan was drunk and all the good pilots were sent to war. Rinse and repeat enough that it becomes problematic for them to explain domestically

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u/FrizzleFriedPup 1d ago

Billions in trade tariffs.... The UN is fucking useless. Russia is a consulting member and their war crimes are constantly ignored.

100 years in the making and any type of United Ally agreement between countries is a fucking joke.

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u/Ted_Smug_El_nub_nub 1d ago

Ukraine already IS doing this. Just give them the equipment they need. Western nations have given something like 1-5% of their annual military budget. Give them 25% and this is over.

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u/beekeeper1981 1d ago

Give Ukraine the kind of aid that will end the war quickly.

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u/meowmixyourmom 1d ago

Penalize anybody that trades with them. I'm looking at you India

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u/bNoaht 1d ago

Stop allowing imports or exports to any country that accepts a penny from them.

We don't actually care what they do until we stop 100% of business with them AND anyone friendly with them.

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u/commissar0617 1d ago

Board and detain any ships whose voyage began at a Russian port.

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u/eldenpotato 1d ago

That would destroy the global economy though

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u/bNoaht 1d ago

Sounds good.

I think the global economy needs to be destroyed to end slave practices, exploitation, wars, greed etc

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u/69WaysToFuck 1d ago

Direct assult on Russia is not a bad option. They are already at war with our ally, just join them

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u/AML86 1d ago

I agree. If for no other reason than hearing that this isn't an option from actual propagandists daily. I am completely exhausted by their framing and am increasingly numb to their side's outcomes.

The crimes against Ukraine and others need to be stopped if Western ethical principles and friendly cooperation between nations are to be maintained. That takes more priority than avoiding war or collateral damage.

I've noticed an increase in pushback toward ordinary citizens. Russians are being dehumanized slowly by their own propagandists. Whether that's good morally or not isn't likely to have a major impact on outcomes.

A short humiliation is much better than a later war when people truly hate the other's existence.

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u/Calazon2 1d ago

If it weren't for nukes being a thing, I would probably be on board with a direct assault. Nukes make everything messier.

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u/stuff_gets_taken 1d ago

Will you be enlisting?

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u/Knopfmacher 1d ago

Kicking all Russian ships out of the Baltic Sea would be a good start.

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u/Striking-Kiwi-9470 1d ago

How many civilians need to die before this is an acceptable option?

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u/SlyRax_1066 1d ago

If only there was a military out there we could…give weapons to? Does anyone know one?

Transylvania? Is that a country?

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u/GrynaiTaip 1d ago

Closing the border with EU would be a good start.

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u/Alkyline_Chemist 1d ago

Maybe stop listening to people who lick putin's ass hole like Tucker Carlson and Lex Friedman for starters.

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u/Letsbesensibleplease 1d ago

Which never ends well.

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u/ShreddedDadBod 1d ago

No fly zone (it would be a big deal)

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u/ImprovementQuiet690 1d ago

Pay someone to leave a few explosive briefcases lying around for the Russians responsible for this attack. Or actually, use poisoned tea to leave a more obvious message

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u/ArchdukeoftheROC 1d ago

That’s the neat part

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u/Illustrious-Being339 1d ago

Easy one right now is to send weapons or even volunteer soldiers (have them join Ukraine military before fighting) to help kill russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine. Russia will only fall from wihtin and the more soldiers that putin needs to conscript, the more destabilized russia gets. At a certain point you will get more mutiny occurring in the ranks by low level conscripts.

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u/p0t4t01nmY4nuS 1d ago

Finally giving everything to Ukraine so they can properly defend themselves and do the dirty work for us?

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u/BaggyOz 1d ago

Close off Russian access to NATO's lake.

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u/Positronic_Matrix 1d ago

Have we tried a direct assault on Russia? I’m assuming if we shot down ten military aircraft in retaliation they would get the message.

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u/saulsa_ 1d ago

SANCTIONS BABY!!

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u/Alone-Interaction982 1d ago

EU still relies on their gas way too much. Ideally all countries could block them off and cause an economic collapse but that won’t happen.

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u/rk470 1d ago

Write a stern letter for the catharsis and then throw it in the bin, like usual.

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u/Juffin 1d ago

Idk maybe stop buying their oil, gas, metals and fertilizers.

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u/v1king3r 1d ago

Kill Putin. He's a terrorist on a level with Hitler, Hussein and Bin Laden.

There's a good chance this would end the war instantly.

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u/djfl 1d ago

Sometimes there's just very little you can do. I know that's hard to wrestle with.

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u/pull-a-fast-one 1d ago

economic isolation would basically destroy any country in the world right now. Just look at North Korea or even partially isolated countries like Iran. You simply can't function economically without global trade.

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u/SupaFlyslammajammazz 1d ago

Assassinate Putin. If they tried to Valkyrie Hilter, you don’t think they’d do it to Putin?

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u/Bcmerr02 1d ago

Re-erect the Steel Curtain