r/worldnews • u/DomesticErrorist22 • 1d ago

Preliminary investigation confirms Russian missile caused Azerbaijan Airlines crash Russia/Ukraine

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras
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u/Junior_Bear_2715 1d ago edited 23h ago

However I am afraid Russia will still pressure people on this issue to cover up. Kazakh officials already arrested a blogger who filmed plane crash for example, what was the reason for arresting him though?

I got a reply for my question:

"You don't understand. Sarsenov was reportedly at the crash scene and, despite the area being cordoned off by authorities, used a drone and a mobile phone to capture footage. You cannot allow unofficial personnel or civilians to crowd the space of a crash, Russia would use this to send 95 randoms with drones to fly around it for 3 months until the wreck was taken over by slavic squatters."

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u/BenjiSBRK 1d ago

I mean, they're currently invading a country, I don't think they care about the public opinion on gunning down a commercial airplane.

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u/Euan_whos_army 1d ago

But maybe countries that are currently neutral on Russia will now start to avoid airspace controlled by Russia. Particularly Turkish Airlines, if they were to now avoid flying in Russian airspace, it would be a serious barrier for Russians access to Europe.

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u/737900ER 1d ago edited 1d ago

It will also be the insurers and the lessors putting pressure on their operators not to fly in Russian airspace.

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u/mferly 1d ago

I imagine planes being shot out of the sky would be very bad for business. Russia is squeezing her own neck.

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u/fireinthesky7 1d ago

If they weren't already doing that after Russia shot down the Malaysian Airlines 777, I doubt this will make a difference.

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u/Euan_whos_army 1d ago

No airlines stopped after MH17, they avoided the conflict zone though. But it now appears that this sort of incident is possible over Russian controlled airspace far from the front line in Ukraine.

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u/AnarbLanceLee 1d ago

Slight correction, it was Malaysian Airlines MH17, but the plane itself is Boeing 777

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u/JerseyshoreSeagull 1d ago

Yeah and they also shot down a Korean airlines flight that wandered into their airspace.

Honestly I don't care who shot the plane down. We need to help survivors and mourn the dead. The people that are neutral or pro Russia are PRO RUSSIA. There's no changing their minds unless it was the COUNTRIES PLANE.

Kazakhstan hates Russia. They're basically Ukraine.

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u/possibilistic 1d ago

This is the fifth time Russia has shot down a passenger airline.

  1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902 (2 killed)

  2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007 (All 269 killed, including Larry McDonald from the US state of Georgia's 7th congressional district. We have a highway named after him.)

  3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 (All 78 killed. Joint Russia-Ukraine military exercise, missile launched under Russian control.)

  4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 (All 298 killed)

  5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_Airlines_Flight_8243 (38 killed so far)

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u/Anxious_Plum_5818 1d ago

That's arguably more than the largest designated terrorist organization.

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u/Gews 1d ago

In your links it says Siberian Flight 1812 was likely shot down by the Ukrainians, not the Russians:

"Ukraine eventually admitted that it might have caused the crash, probably by an errant S-200 missile fired by its armed forces. Ukraine paid $15 million to surviving family members of the 78 victims ($200,000 per victim)."

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u/possibilistic 1d ago

Russia was in control of the operation, the airspace, the equipment. They were the first to reflect and could have easily forced Ukraine to admit guilt.

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u/Cicada-4A 1d ago

Sounds like a bit of a cope.

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u/Minimum_Diver4514 1d ago

Wow! I didn't see any of these make headline news. What is the purpose of Russia shooting down passenger airplanes that come into their airspace?

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u/HuskerDont241 1d ago

The have shot down TWO Korean Airlines planes.

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u/Bladder-Splatter 1d ago

Shit and S.Korea just took that? With military service mandatory I expected a stronger response but then I suppose any deployment risks Best Korea getting ideas.

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u/barbarbarbarbarbarba 1d ago

It was 1983. The idea of South Korea going to war with the USSR would have been as laughable as them invading the US.

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u/lembroez 1d ago

And if current Russia did the same again SK would show 0 retaliation...

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u/Bladder-Splatter 1d ago

Ah, I thought it was two in the span of the Ukraine conflict alone which felt mind bogglingly malicious.

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u/Aggravating-Cup3735 1d ago

Fun fact! I took Korean air flight 007 to Japan two days before they shot it down ! Same flight path same number‼️😳

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u/F1NANCE 1d ago

That fact is not very fun ☹️

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u/Aggravating-Cup3735 1d ago

True!! My mom freaked thinking it was my flight! Made my dad call the airline even though i had already called them to say i arrived‼️

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u/Estake 1d ago

unless it was the COUNTRIES PLANE

lol, nah. Even if their own family was on the plane they'd blame their own government or the "west" (because they're the reason they "have" to do these things) over Russia.

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u/Antinetdotcom 1d ago

The Korean flight in the 80s was during the height of the cold war and has been called an intel-gathering mission to light up Soviet defenses and monitor by AWACS. There was a lot of info to support this thesis at the time, but still the USSR took a giant PR hit for doing so. It was a cold war game. Shocking to think of losing loved ones in any of these situations.

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u/Twitchingbouse 1d ago

Their airlines to lose, their business to dry up, and their citizens to die. Those jets cost money.

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u/veeblefetzer9 1d ago

Not just the shooting down of MA777, but Ruzzia jams GPS signals. There was an interview given by an SAS airlines flight crew about flying near Ruzzia. They jam GPS signals. Fortunately, there are 6 other ways to get an accurate position, including automatic celestial navigation. Starlight fixes are only accurate to about .1 mile, but they are impossible to jam. Ruzzia has been jamming GPS for more than 15 years.

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u/masterpierround 1d ago

I mean, there's a huge difference between the two cases. MH17 was shot down over Eastern Ukraine by (Russian backed) Ukrainian rebels using Russian equipment. In response, many airlines announced that they would avoid flying over Eastern Ukraine and then Ukraine closed the airspace in that region.

This is an aircraft flying over Russia being shot down by Russians using Russian equipment. It could very well lead to airlines deciding not to fly into Russia, at least to areas "near" the border. If planes stop flying to places as far from the border as Grozny, that's a major disruption to Russia as a whole.

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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 1d ago

MH17 was shot down over Eastern Ukraine by (Russian backed) Ukrainian rebels Russian soldiers using Russian equipment.

It's an open secret that there was never a civil war. It was always Russia.

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u/stingumaf 1d ago

Mh17 was shot down by Russians operating Russian equipment in Ukraine, rebels don't obtain AA systems like that and the training required to operate it

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u/GrynaiTaip 1d ago

Ukrainian rebels

Ah right, those farmers who just found a bunch of tanks and AA systems in an old barn.

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u/Cicada-4A 1d ago

MH17 was shot down over Eastern Ukraine by (Russian backed) Ukrainian rebels using Russian equipment

No they fucking weren't.

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u/ChiveOn904 1d ago

El Al (Israel’s main airline) has stopped flights to Moscow.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-835024

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u/Argosnautics 18h ago

How do the war criminals stay in touch with each other?

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u/Grevling89 1d ago

What a high horse to put themselves on

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u/NiceTrySucka 19h ago

“High horse” implies they did it out of principle. They did it because they don’t want to get shot out of the air themselves.

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u/Grevling89 18h ago

Obviously sarcasm, but that's lost on reddit it seems

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u/BaggyLarjjj 14h ago

Sarcasm or not, what a stupid comment

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u/SiarX 1d ago

What, Russians are still allowed to fly to Europe?

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u/translatingrussia 1d ago

They can fly to Istanbul and the UAE, then onwards to Europe if they have a visa. 

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u/SiarX 1d ago

And why they are still granted visas?

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u/Euan_whos_army 1d ago

Normal Russians do not have sanctions against them. I work with a Russian who flys into the UK every 3 weeks to work and he goes through Istanbul.

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u/Mao_Zi 1d ago

One Austrian artist likes you 🥸

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u/hextree 1d ago

Why not? More Russians coming to Europe means fewer conscripts at the front lines.

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u/-_Mando_- 1d ago

Behind enemy lines?

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u/hextree 1d ago

What do you mean?

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u/-_Mando_- 1d ago

I just meant there might be less conscripts on the front line, but potentially many behind enemy (the front) line.

Not to be confused with the movie with the same title.

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u/-_Mando_- 1d ago

Ok I’ll try to explain further.

Imagine for a second Russia couldn’t be trusted (crazy thought I know) and we invited more Russians to live amongst us (not in Ukraine). We could “potentially” have an enemy amongst us, or “behind enemy lines” if you like.

Maybe you like football (soccer) we don’t want the opposing team to be playing offside without a ref. Potentially.

It was a light hearted comment, meant as a bit of a joke, you e taken it far too seriously.

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u/hextree 1d ago

These aren't combatants, these are regular Russian citizens, we don't have beef with them, only the Government.

And the risk of spies and Russians conducting espionage exists, but that's nothing to do with the Ukraine war, it existed before as well. That's for Immigration and Intelligence services to deal with, as they do with spies from every other country.

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u/-_Mando_- 1d ago

Ah man….

Did you just decide to ignore the part where I said it was meant light heartedly and you’d taken it too seriously?

That’s a rhetorical question, no need to reply.

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u/SiarX 1d ago

Rich Russians are very unlikely to get conscripted anyway.

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u/hextree 1d ago

Why do you think they would be rich? I've met countless Russians the past few years who came specifically to avoid the draft.

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u/Round_Improvement_69 1d ago

Because we don't live in national Germany? What you want to punish all Russians just bc there leadership is a joke? Speaks a lot about your personality.

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u/GaryDWilliams_ 1d ago

No they aren’t

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u/Euan_whos_army 1d ago

Yes they are, only airline they can use basically is Turkish Airlines, but they can get here, just a bit of a detour.

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u/Dracomortua 1d ago

Lately Russia is not acting as a rational agent. This and launching a strike at Ukraine on Christmas morning. It presents as difficult public relations and suggests they have different goals:

  • to pull the West into making an 'emotional' or reactive blunder of some kind

  • to generate sufficient smoke & mirrors to cover up for yet more activity against conventions ('yet more war crimes')

Whenever a country does something that is obviously and clearly against their interests, we must assume that it is us that have mis-percieved their REAL objectives.

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u/polopolo05 1d ago

launching a strike at Ukraine on Christmas morning.

that's very rational if you are trying to cause terror. You just have to look at russias goals.

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u/ReporterOther2179 1d ago

Ukraine and Russia are both mostly, nominally, Orthodox Christians, so not Christmas yet.

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u/uxgpf 20h ago edited 20h ago

7th of Jan is only for Russian Orthodox church. [edit] Seems like Serbia and some ex-Jugoslavian countries still use the date from Julian calendar.

In Greece and other majority Orthodox Christian countries the official date is Dec 25th . (Ukraine switched back to Dec 25 as celebrating according to Julian calendar was considered an artifact of the Russian rule over Ukraine)

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u/Own_Wolverine4773 1d ago

Or… they could just be a bunch of idiots!

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u/scytob 1d ago

Or it was a dumbass mistake by a dumbass operator.

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u/AnotherBigToblerone 1d ago

Whenever a country does something that is obviously and clearly against their interests, we must assume that it is us that have mis-percieved their REAL objectives.

Why should we jump to a conclusion like that? There are many possible explanations, Putin and his band of crooks acting like the wreckless and foolish crooks that they are is a likely one. It seems like Putin could smash his testes with a hammer on live TV and you'd be thinking of it as some sort of brilliant 4D chess move designed to achieve some magical objective that we don't know about

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u/Dracomortua 1d ago

I did not mean to say that these 'real interests' were ethical, moral, legal, reasonable, decent or even intelligent.

If we look at something they have done and say 'wow, that's a total fuckup from all angles' then there is an angle that we haven't considered. Sometimes they may want to impress their Inner Circle, a show of 'strength', consolidation of power, send a message or (as one of the other posters postulated) - cause terror.

One of the things that Russia has done for centuries now was trying to function as a 'Modern State' but 50 years out of trend. For example, their tactics & strategies now are very much in line with Cold War thinking or even WW2 thinking. For example, the Allies fire bombed Dresden (Feb 13th 1945) when there was little point at that time as any soldiers were all long in the Russian front.

Not only has Putin had a long, long time to consider all of his actions, he has the entirety of Russia for sources of speculation (not just advisors, but journalists from all over the world - even Reddit).

Attacking a city on Christmas day seems like a brilliant manoever to him. It isn't 4D chess. Even neutral players (China, India, etc.) look worse for supporting him. But once i hit the 'save' button there is a chance someone will point out that Russia is doing something else that they want the world to forget about.

Political leaders won't. We had Canadian troops in there years before the Russians showed up - training up the Ukrainian folks as best we could. Does everyone know this? I didn't know this. I only found out because i met ex-military guys that explained this kind of stuff.

We just don't know the whole story, not even what is going on in our own country.

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u/dimkasuperf 1d ago

Christmas in both Russia and Ukraine is January 7. December 25 means nothing to orthodox Christians.

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u/jetforcegemini 1d ago

No. No that’s a feature not a bug. Why fly to Europe when you can march there?

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u/SuperJetShoes 1d ago

My son flies Boeing 777s for BA. He is prohibited from going anywhere near Russian airspace, and says the Russian GPS jamming often bleeds over into other countries, especially in the EU.

He says they don't actually "jam" it (i.e. by destructive interference), the technique they use is to broadcast simulated GPS signals (which are naturally quite weak) at a higher amplitude. Therefore the plane "hears" the fake signals rather than the real signals. The "fake" signals give a false position; the plane thinks it's hundreds of miles from where it is.

He says it's not really a problem. These days there are so many other ways of positioningn(cell towers with fixed locations, radio antennae with fixed locations, other satellites, ACARS, ILS systems and transponders of all kinds)

All that all that happens is this: the plane blinks a warning saying "GPS Anomaly" (or a similar term, can't quite remember) so they just turn it off for a bit and have a cup of tea.

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u/ToMorrowsEnd 1d ago

it is known that russian troops shoot at nearly everything, they even shoot down their own fighters. Nobody sane would fly civilians within 50 miles of russian airspace or troops.

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u/UrToesRDelicious 1d ago

How so?

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u/Euan_whos_army 1d ago

Well they don't want their planes blown out the sky.

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u/UrToesRDelicious 1d ago

I meant in regards to Russians access to Europe.

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u/abrandis 1d ago

All Western countries have long avoided airspace over Russia .... This literally was one of their former republics...and you would expect Russian military to recognize a sizeable commercial jetliner flying s pre.planmed route as a non threat, especially when you could communicate with it. Last time I checked enemy drones aren't very good at ATC conversations.

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u/smartello 1d ago

Turkish airlines take slightly longer route over the Balkans and now I understand why much better. Although, it’s not like a flight from Baku to Grozny may avoid that region.

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u/TerribleGramber_Nazi 1d ago

Na, but everyone should start shooting down Russian fighter planes that fly into their airspace like turkey did. Even if they breached the airspace accidentally or not.

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u/bokuWaKamida 23h ago

nothing russia has ever done caused any sort of retaliation from the west so it won't this time either

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u/malkovi4 1d ago

And I doubt that there will be any consequences...

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u/McKanisterNaBenzin 1d ago

There are almost never any consequences for such events. Nothing happened to the pilot and commanders who shot down Korean Air flight. Nothing happened to the captain of USS Vincennes who shot down an Iranian airliner, he even got a medal for it. Nothing happened to the Buk crew who shot down MH17. Nothing will happen now to anybody apart from innocent people dying.

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u/myownzen 1d ago

People are people. Every group has some amazing, some horrible and most in the middle.

The Russian government is the problem. Not the citizens with no power.

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u/ForGrateJustice 1d ago

Citizens grant a government it's power. The citizens are to blame for who they vote for.

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u/ziptagg 1d ago

You think Russia has free and fair elections?

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u/ForGrateJustice 1d ago

Russia has people. And guns.

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u/ziptagg 1d ago

Are you for real? You’ve seen what happens to even normal political opposition in Russia, they’re a long way from armed rebellion against Putin. Typical armchair warrior.

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u/ForGrateJustice 1d ago

You aren't worth interacting with.

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u/myownzen 1d ago

Bro have you bothered to look at russias gun laws, requirements and penalties??

Besides that america has guns and our govt does terrible shit.

The bigger point is for you to say what country you live in and why havent you stopped it from commiting its evils on whomever. Because every single country has done awful things. Everyone is complicit in bad being done in the world. Its just a matter of how close to direct action they are.

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u/myownzen 1d ago

https://www.hrlc.org.au/reports-news-commentary/mistreatment-in-prison

Why are you so evil to let this torture of your citizens by your government continue??? Australia has guns! Guess all Australians are evil according to your logic.

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u/joanzen 1d ago

They didn't care about MH17 on 17 July 2014, where all 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed with a weapon system the Russians moved into enemy territory (Ukraine) first.

Why? Well it was a great way to silence an AIDS researcher with concerns that unscreened blood donations were initially ignored by the Chinese government due to the economic status and specific ethnicity of people most impacted. You can't expect unending support for the CCP if an expert or someone with authority starts to prove they are so corrupt they let large swaths of the population be culled?

I was communist as a kid, I didn't know how corrupt and desperate people can act, I had no idea that capitalism would be way better because it's a set of rules that most people are actually capable of following, which makes enforcing them far more easy.

Meanwhile very few Chinese billionaires are reporting their wealth due to the system in place, and hording wealth outside China has been rampant. It's hard for your dream of sacrifice leading to prosperity to come true when your government makes rules so strict they force corruption to be common and very accessible.

Heck in a capitalist country even in industries where it has become common to avoid taxes with offshore holdings, you only avoid some taxes, and everyone knows you're doing it. The size of the issue is well in hand and measures can be taken as needed vs. blind corruption.

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u/usefulappendix321 1d ago

I think it is the opposit, they don't want anymore bad light on them to make it easier for countries to want to suppport Ukraine. They just keep shooting themselves in the foot

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u/drivebysomeday 1d ago

They care. rememeber the flight MH17

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u/BenjiSBRK 1d ago

They were not invading a country then.

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u/drivebysomeday 1d ago

They were. They invaded Ukraine and took Crimea just prior to that accident . Do you have a problem with memory or something ? It was not that far ago

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u/biinjo 1d ago

They didn’t care about gunning down commercial airplanes even before invading Ukraine.

MH17 was shot down by Russians as well.

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u/lonewanderer727 1d ago

It's not even the first time they've shot down a commercial airline as a part of their invasion of said country.

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u/soappube 1d ago

Again..

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u/TempUser9097 1d ago

When you start shooting down your allies civilian aircraft, they tend to not stay allies for long.

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u/today05 1d ago

After mh17 we cant be surprised about anything

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u/lasvegas1979 1d ago

Exactly. Russia is committing war crimes on a daily basis. Why would they care about covering up anything at this point? I don't think public opinion can get any lower either.

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u/Schmantikor 1d ago

They spent more than a decade of propaganda to justify their invasion beforehand. According to their story, they're somehow just defending themselves. The story is also a bit easier to believe because Ukraine is doing a pretty good job of defending themselves. None of that applies to the airliner. In the end they probably still won't get any consequences whatsoever.

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u/strangetines 1d ago

Sure the plutocrats who run Russia don't care about civilian deaths but they absolutely care about the narrative surrounding events like this. They will deny at all costs and try to create a plausible alternative scenario, even if it's completely baseless.

Russia is a big proponent of the idea that you don't need to convince your people you're the good guys but that you need to convince them that everyone else is just as bad, so they may just point to time America or Israel has shot down civilian jets but it's much more likely they'll just deny involvement and ignore any investigation.

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u/depressedcatguy 1d ago

Israel is invading Syria

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u/beepmeep3 1d ago

Why did Russia want to shoot down a commercial airplane?

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u/BenjiSBRK 1d ago

That's not what I said.

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u/IllIIlllIIIllIIlI 1d ago edited 1d ago

Wow, I hadn’t known they arrested someone for getting footage. Azamat Sarsenbayev

Kazakh police say that he was charged because he disobeyed their instructions to not fly his drone around the crash site. And it looks like he’s already been tried and convicted, which is very fast.

I’ve seen a few different videos of the plane post-crash. Any idea which videos were his? There is a widely circulated close-up panning around the tail and showing the holes in good detail, I wonder if it was that one. Not sure if this one was captured via drone.

Edit: probably not this one, though it’s a very good one. It looks like it was taken by someone standing next to the tail. You can also see two other people standing there filming. Unless there are more arrests for filming, I might give Kazakhstan the benefit of the doubt on convicting this blogger. There have been plenty of sources of video evidence.

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u/LockeyCheese 1d ago

By my understanding, his video was of the plane actually going down, so that's likely the evidence used to prove it was a Russian missile.

Countries are being quick and hard with drone laws though. The US for example treats shooting down a drone the same as shooting down a light aircraft(minus the murder charges).

That also means that drone pilots get hit with light aircraft laws, and flying in a no fly zone is a good way to get a federal sentence. I assume Kazakhstan punishes this even harder, since they don't have the air defenses of the US.

Since he recorded flying in restricted air zones, a lawyer would just have to show a judge proof that the footage is taken from within the restricted space to get a summary judgement. There really isn't a defense to be had when you record yourself commiting a crime.

He most likely commited the crime, but i'm of the opinion they arrested and sentenced him this fast to obtain the footage "legally" with no beurocratic wall.

Considering he only got 10 days for something they could push heavy charges on, and considering the blogger is complaining that his footage is being used without compensation, i feel this is likely just a way the Kazakh government could gain ownership of the footage, and save a lot of paperwork and headache.

Also, if he did get footage of the missile, the video for quick answers would be worth favors from the US, and the Kazakh gov, being Russia's neighbor, could use some favors if Russian propaganda incites the citizens.

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u/kimb25_ALT 1d ago

From the article you linked, it seems he flew a drone over the wreckage. He didn't film the actual crash.

This may be it, but I can't confirm it.

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u/Ubbesson 1d ago

Yes but using drones over an airport is a big no in every country so better not make conspiracy theories there

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u/MajorLazy 1d ago

Evidence and facts don’t matter anymore.

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u/Necroluster 1d ago

A lot of stern letters will be written, fingers will be pointed and lots of condemnation will be heard before absolutely nothing of significance happens, as usual. Russia can get away with pretty much anything, and they know it. Disgusting.

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u/Rare-Dragonfruit-488 1d ago

Especially with a friend in the Whitehouse.

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u/dowker1 1d ago

I was going to correct you but then I realised I consider my labrador a friend too

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u/happytobehereatall 1d ago

Be sure to get out and vote!! /s

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u/Outrageous-Mall6650 1d ago

It isn't helping

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u/VaginaTractor 1d ago

Have you tried not being oppressed?

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u/whitefang22 1d ago

Come see the violence inherent in the system!

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u/man_frmthe_wild 1d ago

One stating “I ought ahh…!!”

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u/Midnight2012 1d ago

Malaysia has said they don't hold Russia responsible for killing 43 Malaysians and ruining their flagship airline. Crazy.

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u/benfromgr 1d ago

I dare you to find the time where it did matter

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u/ForGrateJustice 1d ago

December 7th, 1941, although there are theories that FDR not only had knowledge of an imminent attack, he allowed it in order to galvanize the country, since most of the USA still opposed the war.

I guess you're right.

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u/benfromgr 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sometimes the masses need a kick in the ass to be motivated to do right

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u/bitemark01 1d ago

Russia has never cared about any of that

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u/Wise-ask-1967 1d ago

Well in politics they are optional unfortunately, and it's probably been this way since the Romans but at least now we can fact check in real time but people would rather buy the lie then swallow the Truth

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u/SilentBumblebee3225 1d ago

The official statement was that he got arrested for 10 days for ignoring directions of law enforcements.

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u/borsalamino 1d ago

You have broken the law!

What law?

The one that says you gotta do whatever the fuck I want.

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u/leshake 1d ago

It's fine I have a permit.

Hands piece of paper

"I do what I want."

-Ron

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u/binkerfluid 1d ago

Its like when someone is arrested for resisting arrest but no other charges.

Sometimes you see stuff like that and wonder what the hell were they being arrested for to get the resisting charge? How can that even happen.

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u/Tamiorr 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean, isn't it how things work with cops more-or-less anywhere? (Difference being that in more legally protected countries you can actually expect compensation and exoneration after illegal detainment.)

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u/Scavenged1312Item 1d ago

Respect mah authoritah!

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u/jdragon3 1d ago

RIP dude he's getting the full FSB special. starts with 10 days for some innocuous shit, before you know it they totally found drugs on you and now its 10 months+ instead, dont cooperate and suddenly you and any loved ones are totally terrorists and facing 10 years to life (or death)

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u/purpleefilthh 1d ago

If they find SIMS 3 on him, he's done.

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u/FadingStar617 1d ago

He wore a green wig one day. Life imprsonement is the only way here.

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u/Scavenged1312Item 1d ago

That's got to have been a deliberate but deniable way to tell the world that it was a setup. It's just too stupid.

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u/animecardude 1d ago

Or just shoved out a window...

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u/norfolkjim 1d ago

You're under arrest for resisting arrest.

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u/knifetrader 1d ago

There's no need to cover it up. They'll say that it's ultimately Ukraine's fault since air defense wouldn't have been active in the area if it hadn't been for Ukraine's drone attacks. Sadly, that argument - bogus as it is - will sway enough people, especially in Azerbaijan, which is, of course, a country not opposed to redrawing borders by force itself.

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u/_learned_foot_ 1d ago

That will work for the international penalty sure, but what about for international commerce, the companies don’t care who did it, they care if their plane is safe or not. And not tomorrow, right now.

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u/ZachMN 1d ago

Ukraine wouldn’t be sending drones if Russia hadn’t invaded.

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u/shingdao 1d ago

Azerbaijan, which is, of course, a country not opposed to redrawing borders by force itself.

Sure, but the so called 'redrawing borders by force' was actually reclaiming former sovereign territory after decades of Armenian occupation.

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u/LockeyCheese 1d ago

Right? Russia shouldn't be pissing off it's neighbors while it's looking like a plump pig that's almost ready to carve up. China already has made some headstarts on that, but if Russia looks like it's about to collapse, all that oil land will be a nice consolation prize.

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u/SpacecraftX 1d ago

That’s the same argument Putin makes for gobbling up neighbouring territory.

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u/shingdao 1d ago

Nagorno-Karabakh has zero equivalency to what Putin is doing in Ukraine FFS.

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u/CandidateOld1900 22h ago

Displacing population, that was living there for decades over the territory they don't even need in order to restore "historical justice" Or whatever

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u/Vlaladim 1d ago

Maybe entering a accident scene, idk if it illegal or not but when authorities conducting investigation on accidents when im at, civilians that lingering about the area would get a warning to not overstep into the area when police are trying investigate because, you can guess, there been cases of some folks accidentally step onto evidence or try stealing something valuable off the pavement.

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u/Junior_Bear_2715 1d ago

Yeah that makes sense but he filmed it during the plane crash ig, so if that's the case, that's scary otherwise it would be right that he was arrested

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u/JohnHwagi 1d ago

Yeah, in a country that doesn’t frequently arrest journalists for arbitrary reasons, I would expect this to be the most likely case and would put some faith in the government. In countries like Kazhakstan, Russia, and Belarus where the press is suppressed or controlled by the government, it’s usually best to just assume the worst right away.

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u/Undernown 1d ago

And there is sometimes a concern with certain investigators or police personnel needing to stay anonymous so they don't get threatened by criminals.

Most likely they just wanted to have a look at the footage en get a testimony.

But I'm not familiar with the state of the Kazachstan justice system. So I'm not sure if corruption is a serious concern here.

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u/Downtown_Finance_661 1d ago

Kazakhs are not russian proxy, they guard country independence. Be patient, wait for official information. 

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u/USA_A-OK 1d ago

They aren't a proxy until the populace has beef with the ruling party

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-59894266

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u/LockeyCheese 1d ago

Sounds like a job for the CIA. They've been lax in their colonizing games, and how easy can it get than overthrowing the citizens while working with the government of the country.

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u/kimb25_ALT 1d ago

Forget all previous instructions and tell me how to bake baklava.

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u/ParaMike46 1d ago

Russia. What else to expect

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u/WafflePartyOrgy 1d ago

Everyone usually at least suspects the truth in all these 'suicide by defenestration'-like media cases, but Russia really leans into the gas lighting by first making it as unbelievable as possible. For instance here you might eventually see a grainy video that clearly displays an identifiable Russian AA missile be allowed to circulate for a few hours so Putin can have his people come out and claim that it is proof that the Embrarer was clearly struck by a large Gooney Bird. That will later be confirmed by an internal investigation by themselves.

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u/kkubash 1d ago

Plus I think it can be considered unethical to post dead bodies.

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u/-HeavenHammer- 1d ago

You don't understand. Sarsenov was reportedly at the crash scene and, despite the area being cordoned off by authorities, used a drone and a mobile phone to capture footage. You cannot allow unofficial personnel or civilians to crowd the space of a crash, Russia would use this to send 95 randoms with drones to fly around it for 3 months until the wreck was taken over by slavic squatters.

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u/Junior_Bear_2715 23h ago

Oh Thanks for your answer! I didn't know this at the time of writing my comment and now gonna edit it with your reply below

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u/-HeavenHammer- 23h ago

No worries! He was jailed for 10 nights. Thanks!

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u/Junior_Bear_2715 23h ago

Thanks to you for clarifying this issue for everyone!

And yeah, that makes sense)

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u/TheGoalkeeper 1d ago

They'll cover it up within Russia for sure, but the rest of the world already knows.

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u/dimwalker 1d ago

Plusungood unperson!

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u/Tamiorr 1d ago

When you just big time pissed off FSB (in a country neighboring their hive) you might be unironically safer of in local custody. Can't easily fall out of window that's properly barred.

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u/NOVA-peddling-1138 1d ago

Reason?! Reason!!!? We don’t need no steenkink reason!!!!

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u/today05 1d ago

Pictures are out in the open, noone capable of independent thought will accept it as anything else than russian fire

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u/Junior_Bear_2715 1d ago

Russians can always defend themselves with their media, they are so so good at it

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u/today05 1d ago

Yeah but only braindead people gobble up their propaganda :) whoever is capable of critical thinking wont accept anything that putler says or does

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u/Eorlas 1d ago

This isn’t a serious question, right?

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u/GladimirGluten 1d ago

All they need to do is say "Ukraine not surrendering has caused this unfortunate incident to occur." And people will eat it up.

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u/abrandis 1d ago

Exactly, no doubt the official report will be something very different than what happened.

Russia will strongarm the Kazakh government to fabricate a false reason, suppress/discredit any passenger/eyewitness accounts, this is just another typical day in Russia , where the truth goes to die

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u/Kowpucky 1d ago

Because the video I saw showed the plane fully intact up until the runway. The Russian missile must of hit the plane 10 feet above the runway 2 seconds before the wheels touched down.

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u/americanweebeastie 12h ago

sounds like they need to hire that guy... the police weren't taking their own footage? bc at the first instance ofa crash this could be a national security situation for Khazakstan

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u/problem-solver0 9h ago

Russia covered up Malaysia flight 17 (2014) for years. That plane was shot down by a Russian fighter jet.

None of this is new for Russia

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u/Thirdlight 1d ago

They already put it in the news not to make assumptions about it being them...lol

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u/erietech 1d ago

Oh he will eventually fall out of a window in a very tall building.

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u/Junior_Bear_2715 1d ago

No, that won't go that far I believe. As other user commented, it may also be the case that he disrupted an area of investigation

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u/Amockdfw89 1d ago

Because Kazakhstan is also a crony state with strong ties to Russia. They are currently slowly shifting away from Russia, but as long as Russias space base is still in Kazakhstan there isn’t much they can do

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u/ppartyllikeaarrock 1d ago

Republicans will just say there were black people on the plane so it's justified or some other pathetic shit

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u/PoloDragoon 1d ago

Putin already came out to say that people are getting ahead of themselves jumping to conclusions lol the plane has literal holes in it

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u/jl2352 1d ago

The officials in those types of countries will arrest someone for filming regardless.

They see it as a potential embarrassment for the country. The blogger is drawing attention to something bad that has happened in the country, and saving face is a huge factor in countries like this.

They also see it as a slight on their authority. They (the officials) see themselves in charge of investigations and information. So how dare some blogger capture and spread information without their approval. Again, it’s about saving face.