Police officers say cannabis is effectively ‘decriminalised’ in the UK

[u/RandomUsername1604]

https://www.leafie.co.uk/news/police-cannabis-decriminalised-survey/

[u/After-Anybody9576]

Maybe the whole country should take a day off from all the raping?

Don't see why the 99% of victims who weren't raped by police officers should be left to suffer...

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They’re just left to suffer by the police and CPS who don’t take rape cases seriously and have an appallingly low conviction rate.

Because we’ve got foxes guarding the henhouse.

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If you think "the police" as a whole are "foxes", by which I assume you mean rapists/would-be-rapists/rape-sympathisers, then I think you need to take a break from the internet for a bit ang get some perspective.

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Kinda feels like you’re launching a personal attack in lieu of an argument against an extremely valid and widely held criticism of the police.

Without making too much of an assumption about your profession I’d suggest a bit of introspection on why the police have become seen as non-receptive to criticism.

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It's not a personal attack against police officers to assume they're "foxes"? As opposed to there being a number of very real difficulties when it comes to prosecuting rape cases? I do enjoy how you lumped the CPS in as also apparently being a bunch of rapists just because that's necessary to help explain the statistics also lol.

Well seemingly it was too much of an assumption. Introspection on my part has no relevance to the police as I'm not a police officer. Shockingly there are some people out there not employed by the police who haven't convinced themselves every police officer is a closet sex offender.

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It’s not a personal attack because “the police” is an organisation and not a person.

That’s what “personal” means.

Jesus Christ.

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The police are people. If you make the argument that the police are "foxes", that's a comment on the individual officers.

It's, hard to tell though given that your whole position is essentially to boil an organisation (or really, a group of organisations) totalling 130,000 people into a mould of rapists or rape-supporters, because that's the outlook you've built for yourself about the police.

I mean, 10 minutes ago you were saying "the police should stop raping people" or words to that effect. So now you're saying that by, "the police" you mean organisationally, and so the police as an organisation was committing rapes presumably? That's clearly not what you meant (unless you're really far-gone), but I assume you can see why it makes it hard to follow when you try and have it both ways?

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Okay so any criticism of the conduct of any organisation that includes human beings is, according to you, a “personal” attack?

Your stance seems to be that if I attack the organisation it’s a personal attack on every member, but the actions of any individual should not be considered to reflect the organisation as a whole.

Unhinged take.

But anyway, if individual police officers want to stop being seen as rapists they have plenty of options:

• Stop raping people

• Quit the police

• Spearhead cultural change within the police that means that whenever a story about a police officer raping people comes out it doesn’t turn out that everyone knew about it for years and did nothing

• When police officers go undercover and rape people they should be prosecuted without “debate” over whether or not they were technically allowed to do it

• Increase conviction rates on rape cases to a level where it at least looks like the police vaguely give a fuck

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I mean, describing the police as "foxes" is not a critique of organisational policy. If it was intended as one, you could a have chosen some more reasonable phrasing. Might also be more convincing if it hadn't followed a series of what were clearly personal attacks on police officers as individuals, as again I assume you weren't saying earlier that the police as an institution raped women.

I enjoy how your first bullet point is that the individual police officer not wanting to be seen as a rapist should "stop raping people" (as if any but a small number actually do).

So your bullet points for the average officer are:

1. Stop doing something you haven't actually done.
2. Quit the job (achieving nothing)
3. Change a culture which may not even exist where you are (also, a "change of culture" would surely be nice outside the police as well? Are you "changing the culture" outside the police, which sees far higher rates of rape than that inside?)
4. Personally re-write the law to convict former officers of something which isn't against the law (thereby also breaching the legal principle that criminal law shouldn't be applied retroactively?)
5. Personally reform national standards in both the police and the CPS to achieve great conviction rates on an inherently difficult crime to convict, with dwindling resources from government

Wow this PC really has their work cut out lol.

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Using metaphors is worse than rape. Hell of a take.

I was providing a list of options for them.

If the other ones are too hard then pick option 2 and get a better job.

If they go for “none of the above” and make zero attempt toward reform then I’m going to continue considering them an accessory and, like many others, will refuse to cooperate with police unless legally necessary because they’re the bad guys.

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Who said using metaphors is worse than rape? I didn't...

We are all accessories to rape by your logic, in the sense that we all live in a culture where rape occurs etc etc. The police are in no way unique in that, and actually represent a statistical cold-zone for sexual offences.

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Stop acting like my metaphor was some heinous crime against humanity then.

The police have a duty to protect us.

That’s what they claim. That’s the basis on which they are given power to remove our personal freedom.

People sign up to join the police to make this country safer and can quit at any time if they want to stop doing that.

It is not unreasonable to hold the police to a higher standard of lawful conduct than the average person who is in their situation by virtue solely of “being born”.

If they don’t want to do their jobs they can quit.

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There is no "higher standard" with rape, it's just not allowed. What you're going on about has nothing to do with higher criminal standards, it's essentially just tarring everyone with the same brush with a poorly thought-through and indiscriminate argument that everyone in the police is responsible for the actions of a very very small number.

My own profession has some very well-known murderers and sexual offenders. I guess we should count ourselves lucky you don't set your sights on us in the same way as the police and simply declare every colleague is to blame no matter how far removed. And ofc 'if we don't like it we can quit' lol. Or how about we just ignore people like you talking such nonsense?