Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - December 23, 2024

[u/tuesday_mod]

INTRODUCTION

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Previous Discussion Thread

[u/Tombot3000]

So your response to "the description you used only applies to 1-2%" is effectively, "yes."

But if your argument is that we couldn't possibly find Americans smart or trained enough to do these jobs

It's not.

[u/redditthrowaway1294 → u/Tombot3000]

There doesn't seem to be a more specific breakdown of exactly what is in which category, but at a glance Admin Specialist could very easily encompass that as well so possibly 6-7% just at face value.
Well, if that isn't your argument then you seem to be on the sidelines of what is being discussed on social media so I'm not sure what your point is.

[u/Tombot3000 → u/redditthrowaway1294]

so I'm not sure what your point is.

I was pretty clear that my point in this thread is that when you say H1B "actually means" 7-11 cashier or middle manager you're wrong. Even taking your strained interpretation of Admin Specialist, you're maxing out at under 10% but using that to paint the entire group.

You are saying that what H1B actually means is "the disagreement." So if it's a sideline topic, that's on you.

Edit: Also, the link to the more specific breakdown of categories is in the document right in the middle of the occupation section and takes you here, which shows that administrative specialists are accountants, investigators, PR, sales, etc. They can be management, but these aren't what comes to mind when you use the generic term middle management. They're specialists who as part of their H1B app provide evidence their specific skills are not readily available in the US. An example would be a sales manager who has extensive contacts in Thailand to facilitate deals in the area.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/m-746.pdf

[u/redditthrowaway1294 → u/Tombot3000]

The disagreement is what peoples' expectations are when you say "highly skilled". And when people found out that encompasses everything from cashiers, to managers, to the entry level IT guy answering their ticket rather than just the dude keeping Google running they had some questions about the purpose of the program.

[u/Tombot3000 → u/redditthrowaway1294]

You've changed your description from "is actually X" to "encompasses everything including a tiny amount of X." Without any acknowledgement that you phrased it poorly or something along those lines from you, I'm taking it as bad faith goalpost-shifting.

That plus your unwillingness to even read the footnote directly between the longform description and the chart of occupations breakdown leads me to conclude you're not prepared to have a serious discussion on this topic, so I am stopping here.

[u/redditthrowaway1294 → u/Tombot3000]

Well. I appreciate the discussion as well as your edit to show I was correct about the area I checked regarding the breakdown not being specific and that you were incorrect about only 1-2%.

[u/Tombot3000 → u/redditthrowaway1294]

I was not incorrect about the 1-2%, and I wouldn't call you correct about the breakdown either.

Please don't put your bad arguments in my mouth.