Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - December 23, 2024

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Previous Discussion Thread

[u/Vagabond_Texan]

And how many innocent people end up being murdered by the state?

[u/JustKidding456 → u/Vagabond_Texan]

And how many innocent people end up being murdered by the state?

I don’t support the death penalty, except in rare cases of states of emergency.

I might be incorrect, but in pre-Enlightenment thought, any killing done by a government has a legal mandate, and the killing is therefore legal. It didn’t matter what any laws said, or how unjust the circumstances seemed, any killing done by a government is legal and therefore not murder.

The concept of the rule of law rather than rule of state is what enables some killings done by a government to be illegal and therefore murder. And I think the world is better with the rule of law.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/JustKidding456]

I guess my whole point is America is far more bloodthirsty than we let on. We're okay with innocent death's so long as they go through the proper procedures, instead of just asking outright why did an innocent person have to die?

Yes, Brian Thompson was innocent and was extra-judiciously executed, but are we saying to ourselves we would've been okay with his death had he broken a law that warranted the death penalty only to find out after the fact that he was in fact innocent?

It makes no sense to me honestly at this point. America is a nation of hypocrites.

[u/redditthrowaway1294 → u/Vagabond_Texan]

I'd be pretty surprised if there were many innocent people on death row nowadays.
I'd assume people are also a lot more ok with somebody on death row dying thanks to the decades long legal process with various spots to correct a wrong that one has to go through to get to the point of being executed. It's also a lot harder for our judicial system to get everything wrong and sentence an innocent man to death compared to some random nutjob deciding to kill a guy.
From a quick google, it looks like 6 people have been executed that later had issues with the evidence against them found. Seems like a pretty good record for the justice system.

[u/Tombot3000 → u/redditthrowaway1294]

We have had multiple SCOTUS cases in just the last few years where people who were clearly not proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt were executed anyway.

I don't know exactly how you pared down to six, but it's certainly not an accurate number for "people who were probably wrongly executed by the state." It sounds like you're only looking at cases where post-execution investigation turned something up, but the obvious flaw there is the authorities are pretty much never going to do that kind of investigation. If there are six of them that came up with actual proof, that's probably an insanely high success ratio.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/redditthrowaway1294]

So we deem those six lives as an acceptable loss to justify killing those we deemed too dangerous to live?

You're more or less proving my point in that we're a bloodthirsty nation that doesn't value life at all.