Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - December 16, 2024

[u/tuesday_mod]

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Previous Discussion Thread

[u/Tass94]

Except that it is socialist? I wouldn't suggest otherwise.

I think they had a counter-coup recently (I'm not too up on Venezuela) that tried to dispel the reforms that were put into place, but I'm not trying to play semantics here lol. Your beef is with others, not me.

[u/Sir-Matilda → u/Tass94]

I mean it seems like we're in agreement that these regimes like Venezuela were socialist and the claim that real socialism wasn't tried is crap?

[u/kikikza → u/Sir-Matilda]

Yes but you originally were saying Marxism and are now saying Socialism, and Socialism and Marxism aren't the same

[u/Sir-Matilda → u/kikikza]

Chavez was a self-described Trotskyist and used the Marxist label to describe himself on numerous occasions.

The Soviet Union and Mao's China were both implementations of Marxism in practice.

Even if you want to say "Marxism has never been tried in practice" you'd still be wrong; Western intellectuals sympathetic to Marxism and socialism visited these regimes and praised their achievements when they looked to be going well, started blaming internal dissidents or Western sanctions when the cracks appeared, and memory wiped that they ever supported them when they became truly indefensible.

There's not a lot of point being anal about the difference between Marxism and socialism.