Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - December 2, 2024

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Previous Discussion Thread

[u/Mal5341]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/us/politics/biden-trump-pardons.html

I hate that people are even humoring this. The idea that Biden should give pardons to people on the January 6th committee or people who were part of the legal cases against Trump.

Even setting aside the fact that apparently pardons can be given for hypothetical crimes being one of the most stupid legal arguments I've ever heard, but I just don't get this. Best case scenario of them giving pardons to people like Cheney or Smith is that you basically make Donald Trump and his supporters feel justified and make moderates think that maybe there really was a conspiracy against Trump. Where if you do nothing and let the legal system play its course then the best case scenario is is that any case is brought up against these people will come up with nothing cuz there's no evidence that they did anything because they didn't do anything and it'll all blow up in Trump's face.

[u/psunavy03 → u/Mal5341]

This just is more ammo for my theory that for as much damage as Trump has legitimately done to American democracy, the backlash against him hasn't gotten the credit it deserves.

The Democrats since before Obama have had this arrogant conceit that "We are the educated and smart ones. If you disagree with us, you don't actually have an opinion. You're only having an emotional reaction to our enlightenedness. We are the only ones who have actual rational opinions, because We Fucking Love Science™." Which is, of course, complete bullshit. We're all flawed humans who are sometimes wrong.

But Trump is such a cartoon villain that he accentuates this trait. And for all the evil stuff he has done like January 6th, which he should be held to account for, he also makes his opponents more and more convinced of my second paragraph, which is still utter bullshit. Even if Trump supports something, that doesn't automatically make it wrong. And if he opposes something, that doesn't automatically make it right. Vegans, Dog Lovers, and Trainspotters for Hitler, anyone?

[u/Nelliell → u/psunavy03]

Biden pardoning his son after repeatedly saying he wouldn't do so and he'd abide by the jury's decision eroded almost all the moral high ground that Democrats claimed to have. For all their talk about being the educated, ethical party their backtracking since the pardon has destroyed any credibility they may have had. Biden abused his power. Trump will (and has) also. Both should see accountability from their own party but they won't because "my party is the only rational option, the other party is absolute evil and hell-bent on destroying this country."