Semi-Weekly Discussion Thread - December 2, 2024

[u/tuesday_mod]

INTRODUCTION

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Previous Discussion Thread

[u/Mexatt]

Yes, they are insane. That you can't see this makes you insane, too.

[u/Vagabond_Texan → u/Mexatt]

If you think I'm insane wait till you hear my friends. They're all lunatics in comparison.

Jest aside though, I'm not really sure how I feel all about this still without knowing the shooters motive. Is it bad? Yea. But healthcare has been broken for how long in this country? Eventually something like this was going to happen.

[u/Mexatt → u/Vagabond_Texan]

just responding naturally to how fucked our healthcare system is

You can dodge around it all you want but this isn't the language of someone just explaining cause and effect.

Healthcare in this country isn't that fucked, it's just that a whole generation of people have been driven insane on the subject (and other subjects related to the capitalist market system) by online propaganda memes.

[u/NonComposMentisss → u/Mexatt]

Healthcare in this country isn't that fucked

My wife was covered under a plan from United that my employer offered. She gave birth to my daughter in a hospital that was covered by my plan. United had no issue paying for my wife's care for giving birth. However, they refused to cover my daughter because they said she wasn't covered under the plan (because she wasn't born yet). I got it reversed after arguing with them for 18 months, and reimburse the thousands I had to pull out of pocket for the coverage. I didn't get the thousands I paid to lawyers back of course, nor the opportunity cost of what that money would have done if it had stayed in my investments. For every story like mine where someone had the means to still provide care for their loved ones, and only lost money, there are dozens where someone died, or had to have surgery without painkillers, or who had lifelong conditions or injuries made permanent by insurance companies denying, delaying, and stalling as much as they can. They have time on their side too because a lot of times they can just wait it out till the patient dies.

So don't tell me the insurance industry isn't fucked. You are utterly out of touch if you think that.

This murder isn't going to fix anything, it will probably just make things worse, but it's impossible for someone who's had to deal with the insurance industry denying claims that are clearly needed, not to immediately understand why it happened. My daughter is fine, I only lost money, I have no idea what my mental state would have been if she lost her life because of them.

[u/Mexatt → u/NonComposMentisss]

Your experience, while obviously a bad one, is not the typical of the way most people feel about their experiences. While struggles with the insurance company are not allowed, the overwhelming majority of people are satisfied with their coverage. That is not what a 'fucked' healthcare system looks like.

[u/bta820 → u/Mexatt]

It read to me there that people are positive about insurance the less they use it. Which feels disingenuous to the conversation

[u/Mexatt → u/bta820]

They are, but the gradient is small, a shift from 80% to 70%. That's not disingenuous.

[u/NonComposMentisss → u/Mexatt]

Oh cool, then I guess I should be totally satisfied with the way the system works then. Thank you for letting me know that they don't try to kill all the babies, only some.

[u/Mexatt → u/NonComposMentisss]

You might consider that your experience is not a systemic problem if most people don't have a similar one.

[u/NonComposMentisss → u/Mexatt]

Also the stats you are quoting include people who haven't gotten sick or injured. So they haven't even had to actually deal with their insurance companies. The article even states the satisfaction rate of insurance goes down dramatically when people actually get sick or injured. So it doesn't prove at all what you think it does.

[u/Mexatt → u/NonComposMentisss]

Dramatically....from 80 to 70%. The overwhelming majority of those with fair or poor health, in other words.

[u/NonComposMentisss → u/Mexatt]

United denies 30% of claims. Saying "well the 70% are fine" is leaving out millions of people who are not fine. If your measurement for success is it only ruins the lives of 1 in 3 of the people who need care, your measurement of success is trash.