r/qualitynews 18d ago

8 policies stripped from GOP bill after Trump, Musk rebellion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/12/20/musk-trump-children-health-debt/
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u/pphili2 18d ago

Looks like the Senate did it instead:

Senate passes funding for pediatric cancer after it was stripped out of original CR

Kate Santaliz Sen. Tim Kaine, D-VA, obtained unanimous consent via voice vote for funding for the Gabriella Miller Kids First Research Act 2.0 on the floor tonight.

The legislation reauthorizes funding for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for pediatric cancer after it was stripped out of the original bipartisan deal on Wednesday. The bill reauthorizes through FY2028 a pediatric disease research initiative within NIH and requires the NIH to coordinate pediatric research activities to avoid duplicative efforts.

The legislation passed the House in March and has been sitting in the Senate since.

Democrats in the House and Senate have criticized Republicans over the last few days for taking out key provisions from the bipartisan deal, most notably pediatric cancer funding. However, the legislation that passed the Senate tonight is not exactly the same as the language in the original deal and is ultimately less money overall, per Kaine.

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u/Ok-Zone-1430 18d ago

Man, I sometimes forget about Kaine. Good on him though.

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u/Gottech1101 15d ago

I love that Tim Kaine of VA helped this effort.

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u/Frosty-Buyer298 15d ago

There is no reason Congress cannot create single purpose laws that are easy for the public too understand, easy to implement and easy to audit.

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u/Pretend-Werewolf-396 15d ago

Every bill a one off. No earmarks, no addendum, not fluff. We pay them, why can't they actually work for a living.

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u/Suitable-Answer-83 15d ago

The productivity of Congress took a nosedive when earmarks were banned. It was much easier to get constituents on board with a bill when there was direct funding for their district. Now there's always a reason to vote against every bill and the reasons to vote for them can feel more abstract.

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u/Pretend-Werewolf-396 15d ago

One bill one vote. I may have got the stupid terminology mixed up, but half the outrage expressed and publicized by both sides of this shit government were expressly because of all the added shit to it. Fix that first.

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u/johnnyheavens 15d ago

Wait, are you measuring productivity by the number of laws passed? Isn’t the point of the federal government to address things effecting the entire nation? We don’t need them wasting time and money on things specific to a district or state. Outside of things like disaster relief, we want things being pushed back on and even denied. If it’s not critical to the nation, push it back to our states.

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u/Suitable-Answer-83 15d ago

Almost nothing affects everyone. That's the problem. People in rural districts get mad if their congressman supports legislation that helps rural areas. People in urban districts get mad if their congressman supports legislation that helps rural areas. Your view that Congress must focus on stuff that affects everyone is directly responsible for why so much policy is enacted through omnibus legislation. The only way to have legislation that affects the entire nation is through huge legislative packages that this thread is criticizing.

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u/johnnyheavens 15d ago

Then leave it at the state or local levels and let them trade votes for single item issues. My view is that everything doesn’t actually need to be funded and passed. We are pushing towards $40 TRILLION in debt and we can’t track and account for what we do spend now. Fix those two things and the conversation can be different. However that’s where we sit right now so foreign handouts next to pediatric cancer research next to disaster relief tucked inside a CR they should have resolved months ago, is NOT an acceptable answer. Nor is it something any constituent should tolerate

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u/Suitable-Answer-83 14d ago

You think the Coast Guard should be run at the state and local level? It only affects coastal areas directly.

Even your own example — pediatric cancer research — is an obvious thing that the federal government should fund that directly impacts a somewhat small group of people while the very small amount of foreign aid in the federal budget is important to national security which actually does affect pretty much everyone.

Your naive worldview crumbles with even the most basic level of critical thinking.

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u/johnnyheavens 14d ago

You’re not that dense are you? That’s not even similar to what I clearly stated as examples It’s DoT and they operate inland waterways and not just coastal but whatever. Funding for it should be a separate bill or tied with other transportation security issues and shouldn’t include pediatric cancer research anymore than a CR should. What part of this is difficult to understand?

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

This is just absolute dog doodoo lol. 

Here is a list of thing that impact everyone:

Affordable housing, Affordable (and fair) insurance, Healthcare, Cost of living protections (wages increasing with inflation), Infrastructure (repairs for roads, bridges, public services), eradication of things that nobody likes (junk fees, HOAs, data limits on internet) 

I could probably go on after I finish my first cup of coffee but like… the bar is so effing low bro… what do you mean there is nothing that impacts all of us?

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u/Suitable-Answer-83 15d ago

Yes there are general subject matter areas that affect everyone but almost no specific policies that do. Housing generally affects everyone but the bill just won't be "Fix Housing" it will be specific policies that don't have an effect on everyone. And if it does affect everyone then you'll get people whining about how we should means test the program because it shouldn't be designed to help people like Bill Gates that don't need it.

Infrastructure is actually a perfect example of how little you've thought this through. Will the legislation fix every road and bridge in the country? Will too much money for bridges be unfair to people who live in the desert? Maybe the solution is to have a massive infrastructure bill through omnibus legislation so it can actually help everyone (which is what they did).

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

I know what you’re saying… but imo… I think we are agreeing but arguing over semantics  lol. 

All of the things you listed can STILL BE IN A SINGLE BILL that’s only designed to target infrastructure. Instead, what we currently have, is an omnibus bill packed with so much dog shit that we don’t know what all is being passed. And that’s how you get a government funding bill that somehow has cancer treatment research funding hidden inside it. (IK why this was done, the bill left sitting in the senate had insufficient funding, way below what was asked for, so the Dems pulled a McConnell and let it marinade until a better chance came in)

But this isn’t how the system was designed to work. It is just a symptom of congress being unable to function efficiently, probably because they have no incentive to do so!  But, the reason I’m very anti-omnibus is because this is how we get these laws passed without sufficient thought on preventing loopholes, etc… because they pack em so full you can’t even begin to correct the thousands of problems without destroying the entire thing. And that’s by design, done in bad faith.

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u/Suitable-Answer-83 14d ago

I'm confused, why wouldn't cancer treatment funding be in a government funding bill? I get that regular order is to have the 14 appropriations bills approved individually but there was never going to be a situation where cancer research is a standalone bill.

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u/Many_Eggplant_2949 14d ago

Unfortunately, you just called out the Democrat’s platform, and they lost the last election. It may be another 4 years before we can these issues back on the docket.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Yeah, but that’s why they need to put this shit into stand alone bills.. and then let the dirt bags vote no on it. Constantly, every single session of congress, we should be forcing them to vote no on things that would fox Americans lives. 

Eventually that shit will sink them, but the Dems don’t know how to play, they just whine and cry and hand wring whenever the right doesn’t behave how they told them to…

The Dems lost because they are a party without a backbone. Even now, republicans almost caused another shutdown… why aren’t they being literally dragged through every inch of dirt possible in nonstop interviews with every single democratic member? Because that’s EXACTLY what the right does

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u/Moppermonster 15d ago

You are assuming that people use the same definitions for concepts. That sadly is untrue.

Example: you pass a budget to improve infrastructure. Does that include aqueducts? The parties disagree. So should everything covered by said budget be written out down to the brick level?

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u/Swimming_Excuse4655 15d ago

It’s. It that they disagree. It’s that it’s the game plan to accomplish nothing, blame each other, and get reelected in perpetuity to keep a lifetime salary paid by the tax payers.

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u/johnnyheavens 15d ago

How about no more lifetime salaries for one thing

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u/SaulKD 18d ago

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u/morhambot 18d ago

thanks

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u/JaymzRG 18d ago

Yes, thanks!

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u/daviddjg0033 15d ago

Did this bill get the last part about China because Musk would lose money? I read a piece about how Musk did not want the China part of the bill in there.

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u/Foreign-Repeat9813 18d ago edited 18d ago

Congratulations President Musk, your corrupt influence caused funding for pediatric cancer research to be stricken from the Continuing Resolution (CR). Pediatric cancer does not present an attractive opportunity for profit driven healthcare companies. That is why the government needed to step in so that the much-needed research could occur.

This holiday, walk a pediatric cancer ward, you punk. Better yet, take a couple billion of the $200 billion you've been enriched since the election and donate it to St. Jude Children's Hospital.

Funding much needed cancer research for our children is not "pork" you insecure, narcissistic, megalomaniac.

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u/Either-Impression-64 17d ago

And he's still carrying around a kid as a human shield. 

Musk is what's leftover after infinite god given money rots away your soul. 

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u/Chetineva 16d ago

Husk

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u/owls42 16d ago

100%

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u/Squeegix 15d ago

Eloi Husk

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u/tomo6438 15d ago

Elonald Husk

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u/OhioRanger_1803 15d ago

Guys a real life Quokkas, they toss there young at attackers to give themselves time to flee

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u/Either-Impression-64 15d ago

at least Quokkas are cute and reasonably intelligent

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/ManlyVanLee 15d ago

We can dream!

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u/Quick_Swing 16d ago edited 16d ago

I remember someone telling me,”if they infected the top 12 billionaires with cancer, you’d have a cure within a year.”. Wish someone could test this hypothesis.

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u/SCCOJake 16d ago

Sure that might work. But they'd never allow the peasants to have it. Not without paying obscene amounts of money. Look at fucking insulin and HIV treatments as the guiding light for what a cure for cancer will cost.

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u/Mommar39 16d ago

I don’t think you’re wrong. Look at the people that have been cured of AIDS.

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u/Superb_Tell_8445 15d ago edited 15d ago

No, they’d find the cure and tell the public they cured themselves with vegetables, positive thinking, and exercise (narcissism and ego building). Everything would go on as it ever has. They don’t care about you, everything is for them alone, especially when money is there for the making/taking (psychopathic traits).

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u/Quick_Swing 15d ago

I know that club, and George Carlin did too😂 https://youtu.be/Nyvxt1svxso?feature=shared

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u/573Gator 14d ago

It's not a funding problem. The pharmaceutical companies know that the real money is in treating cancer, not curing it.

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u/ZarkoCabarkapa-a-a 16d ago

No they would go and go holistic treatments in another country and die young…

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u/HatchingCougar 15d ago

Steve Jobs would have liked to have a word

As would all the other super rich who Also still die of cancer

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u/Kyiokyu 15d ago

Yeah, unfortunately that's a fantasy. We're getting closer but we aren't there yet, plus research needs time

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u/DareWise9174 15d ago

Steve Jobs died because he thought he was smarter than his oncologist. That's malignant narcissism for you!

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u/TubularLeftist 14d ago edited 14d ago

People who are wildly successful in one field tend to believe that their genius extends beyond that narrow focus to include literally everything. That’s why a lot of Nobel Prize winners have been scammed and pulled into grifts, they simply believe they’re too smart to get fooled.

Steve Jobs was a genius in some respects but in a lot of ways he was also total dumbass.

Outside of his element he was just an arrogant asshole who thought he was smarter than everybody

Just like mElon Husk

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u/themish84 16d ago

You tell him!

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

When you find out there is already multiple cures for cancer, even vaccines big bad and evil Russia has given their people for free… but we will never see them because big pharmaceutical companies.

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u/Bluewaffleamigo 15d ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a bill addressing this specific thing sitting in the senate waiting on a vote?

Why on earth would it need to be in a CR to fund the government.

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u/Foreign-Repeat9813 15d ago edited 15d ago

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-VA, obtained unanimous consent via voice vote for funding for the Gabriella Miller Kids First Research Act 2.0 on the floor. (Cite: NBC News 9:28 p.m., 12-20-24).

However, the legislation that passed the Senate Friday Night is not exactly the same as the language in the original deal and is ultimately less money overall, per Senator Kaine. (Id.) Thankfully, the Democrats were ultimately able to obtain a portion of the funding.

The reason Pediatric Cancer Research was included in a CR is that Republicans control the House of Representatives, and the House does not follow Regular Order. That's why important funding for projects like reconstruction of the Francis Scott Key Bridge was included in the December 20, 2024, CR as well. The Port of Baltimore is ranked as the 11th largest port in the USA in terms of foreign cargo tonnage and 9th largest in terms of dollar value.

President Musk's December 20, 2024, campaign of "deception by tweet" also caused important funding for reconstruction of the Francis Scott Key Bridge to be stricken from the CR. However, the final version of the House bill which passed late Friday did include funding for the bridge, over the objection of some Republicans.

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u/Bluewaffleamigo 15d ago

Is that a yes?

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u/InjuryIll2998 15d ago

Why you writing to him like he gonna read this

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u/N-economicallyViable 15d ago

There should be a budget. Each year. This CR stuff and omnibus bills are bullshit on the face of it. Is it good to find child cancer research and treatment? Yes, which is why they passed it separately. I'd like to see line item vetos.

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u/Similar_Coyote1104 15d ago

The real crime is not introducing this pediatric cancer research funding bill by itself.

Then we’d know who the heartless bastards are.

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u/djinnorgenie 15d ago

you know that bill also increased wages for senators right? you're not this stupid are you

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u/johnnyheavens 15d ago

Oh please. Stop justifying abuse by our lawmakers because you don’t like the source information while ignoring other similar billionaire influencers. I’ve walked those wards with my own and it still doesn’t justify tacking monies onto the CR. Imagine tracking funds in a simple one item one vote bill vs funds simply part of a massive pork project like the CR was. They could have funded that research months ago if they wanted, musk didn’t change that

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u/johnnyheavens 15d ago

Why is anyone upvoting this bot? Checkout the post history and see how this bot simply exists to counter Elon/X.

Of all the special interests lobbies and Soros funded foundations out there, you’re worried about the simple promotion of more information? Wild because the CR shouldn’t even have been needed and the budget should have been sorted out months ago. The foreign bots may not like it but free flowing information is part of our 1A rights of a free press and free speech. Our elected representatives should be held accountable for how they vote and there is no way to do that with the current example of that bloated CR.

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u/dwz3591 14d ago

You guys don’t seem to understand was a CR is for. If cancer research is important then create a stand alone bill. It would easily pass. A CR is intended to temporarily extend current spending, not to add additional spending.

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u/Foreign-Repeat9813 14d ago edited 14d ago

Respectfully, you don't seem to understand that the Republican controlled House of Representatives does not subscribe to Regular Order, or that the recent battles over leadership reflect a Republican party in disarray.

A CR is intended to temporarily extend current spending, not to add additional spending.

A Continuing Resolution (CR) can and will contain all sorts of provisions that are necessary for, in this context, a Republican Speaker to gain the necessary votes for passage. Speaker Mike Johnson has the seemingly insurmountable challenge of dealing with the so-called "Freedom Caucus" members of his party.

For example, on December 20, 2024, 38 Republicans voted against the bill that ultimately passed the House of Representatives. To get the votes Speaker Johnson needed for passage of a bill, he needed to go to the Democrats.

By now, you would have thought that "super genius" Musk would have at least learned how to count. Speaker Mike Johnson can count, why doesn't Mr. Musk or even Mr. Trump seem to know how to count?

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u/Purplebuzz 14d ago

All lives matter. Remember.

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u/thepizzaman0862 17d ago

Senate passed the funding anyway if you bothered to read the comment directly above yours lol

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u/StandardNecessary715 17d ago

Less money though

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u/blg002 17d ago

Yet his comment is still true

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u/Kennybob12 17d ago

Drop in the bucket compared to the criminal entourage of the insurance/pharma gang. Maybe direct your focus on the real agents of change instead of pandering to this " see we helped sick kids" mafia when they all engage in the exact opposite behavior at any other moment in their careers. Dont excuse their actions but dont berate them from not taking another tax cut in the favor of dying children. That's putting to much humanity in their existence and i would never expect a cockroach to care for my children.

If we stopped treating out politicians as people and instead treated them like the shills that they are we would have a much better focus on what/how to change this narrative. But alas. Reddit will be as far as we go.

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u/Interesting-Pin1433 17d ago

They also stripped out the Pharmacy Benefit Manager reform lol

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u/llywen 16d ago

Not should not be in a three month budget extension that’s so long no one has time to read it.

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u/Alkem1st 16d ago

It’s exactly what pork is. Funding research is important - so make a separate bill for that.

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u/softcell1966 16d ago

Found another Austrian School of Economics cultist:

"Austrian economics (or the Austrian school of economics) is libertarian philosophy masquerading as a school of economic thought. This school is notable for its lack of formal mathematical modeling and empirical testing.[2] Among its more unusual traits, the Austrian school draws its conclusions based on deduction and thought experiments, rather than data.[note 1][3] In place of the conventional tools of science, the Austrian School favors a narrative approach called "praxeology". Despite its shortcomings, some less nutty features of the Austrian School have leaked into mainstream economics while the more nutty have found a home at libertarian think tanks (Cato Institute and Ludwig von Mises Institute)."

How did so many of you end up here in this particular discussion. It's suspicious AF.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Austrian_school

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u/Alkem1st 16d ago

How, how - I got recommended this, that’s how. In any case, who cares about you citing all the stuff and ad hominem attacks. Why bills can’t be focused? Is every bill going to have an emotional leverage attached to it? In any case, how a slight delay in funding going to ruin the research efforts?

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u/ManlyVanLee 15d ago

A: it's less funding. So that's like someone saying "I need $20 to take a cab home" then being given $10. Can you get part of the way home with $10? Sure. But not all the way

B: This is how government as we've created the system works. Is it stupid at times? Absolutely. But when senators are expected to bring back benefits to their state's constituents they demand concessions for their vote

If Maryland needs a new bridge and the Senator from Maryland comes up and says "I need X amount for a bridge" what good does it do a Senator from Nevada to vote for Maryland to get that money? Not to mention if the Nevada Senator votes for that package then his next election his opponent will say "that Senator doesn't care about the people of Nevada, all he did was vote for Maryland to get money!"

Hence, pork spending added to bills. Everyone wants a piece of the pie and this is how our dumb system of government does it

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u/Alkem1st 15d ago

Well then, make “Bridges and roads” bill, I’m sure NV could use some roads.

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u/ManlyVanLee 15d ago

Ok now keep going with this train of thought and maybe you'll start to get it

What happens next when the Nevada Senator makes his bill? The Rhode Island Senator decides to vote for that bill he needs something in return to vote yes. Then the Senator from Missouri wants something, the Senator from Wisconsin wants something else, etc, etc, until finally someone says "Ok instead of doing 100 individual bills, why don't we do one big bill that has all these things in it and do it at once?"

Do you know what that would look like? The exact thing you're complaining about. A big bill with a bunch of stuff in it

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u/Alkem1st 15d ago

As long as this something is a) readable with the reasonable amount of time, b) concerns the same topic - it’s alright. More or less. But when you have a 222999 page spending bill that congresslizards need to vote in 2 days - that’s not alright. Building a bridge or funding research, strictly speaking, can generally wait - while spending on basic functions of the government like salaries etc typically is more time sensitive.

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u/fryloop 17d ago

Are there any examples of government funded medical research successfully achieving it’s goal

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u/permanent_echobox 16d ago

Rich people have convinced poor people that the government can't do anything right, while using their money and influence to control the government because they value it.

Government or violence are the only two things the rich fear. There is no way they want the poor using it in their own interest.

Government is a tool like a hammer. The tool isn't evil. The person weilding it might be.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/permanent_echobox 16d ago

Certainly government should stick to inherently government roles. No one is arguing against the private sector being more efficient, but private companies should not be choosing who lives and dies in a situation based upon profit motive, for example.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/Creepy_Ad2486 15d ago

There should be no death penalty. Period. If there's even a fraction of a tiny chance that an innocent person could be killed, which has happened a LOT in the past, then it shouldn't be allowed at all.

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u/TheSheepSheerer 15d ago

I would argue against the private sector being more efficient. Since its focus is on profit rather than delivering a product or service, the product or service will suffer when it benefits profit. Think of a water monopoly, which has every incentive to cheapen quality of service while raising prices.

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u/ManlyVanLee 15d ago

People seem to have forgotten how private industry used to demand its workers put in 80 hour work weeks and die in the mines so that the owners could enjoy massive profits. All of this of course until governmental regulations came about protecting workers

Private industry is great for you if you're part of ownership or a stockholder, not so much for anyone else

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u/kejartho 16d ago

Of course they can't, that's obviously why the Republicans spend hundreds of millions trying to win elections. It's so inefficient that they specifically try to break it further and extract more out of it for themselves.

You know, the best way to make something inefficient is to break it yourself, right?

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/kejartho 16d ago

Did you just both sides the parties when one side literally campaigns on breaking the system?

It's a ridiculous notion to say that they are the same here when the system is supposed to be built on compromise but one side has single-handedly been trying to dismantle institutions in favor of deregulation and regressive tax structures.

Nah man, Republicans are many times worse for their inability to function and their desire to break the system instead of fixing it. All so the elites get tax breaks and the poor can fight over social issues.

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u/softcell1966 16d ago

What a coincidence you're an Austrian Economics cultist.

"Austrian economics (or the Austrian school of economics) is libertarian philosophy masquerading as a school of economic thought. This school is notable for its lack of formal mathematical modeling and empirical testing.[2] Among its more unusual traits, the Austrian school draws its conclusions based on deduction and thought experiments, rather than data.[note 1][3] In place of the conventional tools of science, the Austrian School favors a narrative approach called "praxeology". Despite its shortcomings, some less nutty features of the Austrian School have leaked into mainstream economics while the more nutty have found a home at libertarian think tanks (Cato Institute and Ludwig von Mises Institute)."

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Austrian_school

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u/IgamOg 16d ago edited 16d ago

You should try working for private companies to see how they operate, particularly when they have access to public money.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/IgamOg 16d ago

They're extremely efficient in making their shareholders wealthier by exploiting staff, customers and public subsidies, because that's their entire point of existence.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/Powerful-Chemical431 15d ago

This is a crazy thing to say. Sad this is what it has come to

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u/seraphimofthenight 15d ago

Private companies drive up costs to make profit. Efficiency only occurs in the free market when there is legitimate competition and accountability. Privatizing of postal service and healthcare leads to lower quality/cost services due to profit-incentive and desire to cut corners to drive up numbers. Some public services are inherently unprofitable, because they are a service we pay into for affordability and quality.

Gutting the government and stuffing it with incompetent cronies instead of career civil servants is literally the source of inefficiency. Lack of financial oversight committees results in budgets getting run up and reality is many projects are never straightforward which is why budgets end up going over the expected.

People always say the government sucks and is inefficient and can never provide real examples that don't arise from gutting government to make it ineffective.

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u/IamHydrogenMike 13d ago edited 13d ago

Except for you can generally rely on clean water coming from your tap every morning when you go to but use your teeth…

Edit: if you are going to reply to this, blocking me from replying back just shows what a child you are.

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u/Nari224 17d ago

Most commercialized medications can be traced back to NIH funded research, so yes. Also, outside of the US, almost all advances are government funded.

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u/Audacious_avacado 15d ago

Literally 99.4% of the drugs that went to market in the last 10 years received funding from the NIH in the US. Many received significant funding at that, something like 25% to 75% of the total R&D costs.

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u/Wreckaddict 16d ago

Next you'll be asking us how government funding helped the iphone develop.

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u/varelse96 16d ago

Are there any examples of government funded medical research successfully achieving it’s goal

Do you not know what research is? Even a paper that says “this doesn’t work” is successful if it meaningfully adds to the body of knowledge in the field. That said, NIH is the largest funder of medical research in the world IIRC and NDF funded research (along with the national labs I think?) lead to the MRI. It might actually be harder to find good modern medical research that didn’t have any government funding.

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u/WolfOffSesameStreet 16d ago

Almost all medications on the market today are the result of government funded medical research.

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u/Tokyogerman 16d ago

I bet, you researched thoroughly and are an expert on where medications come from and how they are funded before making this insinuation.

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u/fryloop 16d ago

I’m not that’s why I’m asking that question so I can learn more

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u/softcell1966 16d ago

You're an Austrian Economics true believer. Nothing will convince you that government does something better than private companies.

"Austrian economics (or the Austrian school of economics) is libertarian philosophy masquerading as a school of economic thought. This school is notable for its lack of formal mathematical modeling and empirical testing.[2] Among its more unusual traits, the Austrian school draws its conclusions based on deduction and thought experiments, rather than data.[note 1][3] In place of the conventional tools of science, the Austrian School favors a narrative approach called "praxeology". Despite its shortcomings, some less nutty features of the Austrian School have leaked into mainstream economics while the more nutty have found a home at libertarian think tanks (Cato Institute and Ludwig von Mises Institute)."

I LOVE Rationalwiki. They cut straight through the Conservative bs and then mock it relentlessly.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Austrian_school

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u/fryloop 16d ago

Just asking a question

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u/eledrie 15d ago

JAQing off.

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u/No-Translator9234 16d ago

Almost all of it is government funded.

Do you think capitalists actually take risks? 

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u/fryloop 16d ago

I mean, which ones successfully achieved their goal? If we can cure cancer with more research money then we gotta be going all in right? Like let’s put a trillion in this thing and get it done

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u/bwc6 15d ago

There are as many different types of cancer as there are different types of cells in a human body. Have you heard people taking about breast cancer or prostate cancer? Those are especially deadly types of cancer.

There are dozens of other types of cancer that have effective cures. We've done it. Many different cures exist for many different types of cancer. 

You're uninformed on this subject, so let me make this clear. Government funding is the main driver of truly groundbreaking research. There is an obvious return on the investment in new technology, actual human lives, and even money.

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u/fryloop 15d ago

Yes I'm uninformed that's why I'm asking the question. Can you provide more details? I don't think the return is obvious. I'm not even sure how you communicate what the return has been. What is the expected return for the funding being discussed here?

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u/bwc6 13d ago edited 13d ago

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=nih+return+on+investment

No, it's not obvious, but there are people out there studying it and trying to calculate it. 

Yes, I'm being cheeky with that link, but it honestly seems like a good place to start. 

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u/fryloop 13d ago

You said it was obvious

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u/bwc6 12d ago

Yeah, my bad. I was speaking from my own perspective as a biologist there. A better way to say it would be there is an undeniable return on investment.

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u/seraphimofthenight 15d ago

why even engage with news or people anymore, do people seriously not know how much progress has been made across breast, blood and pediatric cancer over the past 30 years?

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u/af_cheddarhead 15d ago

Most vaccines are the result of government funded medical research (See COVID). In addition the AIDS drugs are the result of government funded medical research.

I could go on but I suspect you don't really care.

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u/AnAttemptReason 15d ago

The worlds first vaccine that worked against cancer was developed in Australia with government funded medical research.

An Australian government science organization also invented Wi-Fi and a bunch of other important things.

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u/L3Niflheim 14d ago

You could just google it instead of making false suggestions

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u/fryloop 14d ago

Nothing really comes up

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 18d ago

What a bad faith virtue signal

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u/Angel_Eirene 18d ago

He literally told children to cancer to go fuck themselves by getting the funding removed. There’s no virtue signal, he literally is supervillain evil taking advantage of children with cancer

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 18d ago

No, he did not. Why would you even go there?

There is to much bloat in the budget now. I am not saying pediatric cancer research is not a good idea, but if it was not authorized previously, increased funding should not be leveraged in a CR. I support funding this in an actual budget, and fund it by decreasing funding somewhere else.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

I agree with this. Jumping onto cancer research when I'd bet you my last paycheck that there's a bunch of bad stuff in that bill. The message should be "world's richest man coparents Republicans with their Russian husband."

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u/Angel_Eirene 18d ago

I don’t disagree that there’s too much bloat, but the main places there are military or adjacent and those are never getting cut because that’s literally where Elon gets his billions as a defence contractor

Like… he literally is stealing — he’s an unelected official applying threats and pressure to change the budget of a country so yes it is stealing — money from research to cure children from cancer, just so he can line his pockets through more — excessive — defence spending.

He is taking advantage of children with cancer.

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u/mrpopenfresh 17d ago

It wasn’t authorized before because Rand Paul kept blocking it.

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u/InexorablyMiriam 16d ago

Only bloat in the federal budget is bombs for Israel and contracts for Elon Musk. The rest of it is the product of our taxes.

25% of our debt is Donald Trump. 55 other presidents and he is responsible for a quarter of it. GWB is another huge chunk. Elon just flipped his lid because the CR stripped out the blank check for him until 2028.

Why parrot the lie that this is about spending? That’s a lie. You know it is. If it was about spending then why raise the debt ceiling with no limit for the full term?

Why take it from the poor when the man is the richest in the world?

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u/Ambitious-Second2292 18d ago

Today on people that don't understand what bad faith or virtue signalling actually mean but sure as shit will spout off about them

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u/EvidenceOfDespair 18d ago

It’s abuse of the term like this that ruins an actually useful term. “Cutting funding for children with cancer is barbarous” is not virtue signaling. Stuff like “if you like shipping characters in toxic relationships you’re a sexual predator” is virtue signaling.

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u/TransiTorri 18d ago

Man told kids with cancer they should go die because they're unprofitable.

You'd struggle finding a lower low.

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 17d ago

That is a complete and utter strawman and you know it

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u/jaroga6 17d ago

Your cult deals in bad faith. Musk is your god emperor now

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u/softcell1966 16d ago

Are you looking in a mirror and mocking your ridiculous Austrian Economics cult?

"Austrian economics (or the Austrian school of economics) is libertarian philosophy masquerading as a school of economic thought. This school is notable for its lack of formal mathematical modeling and empirical testing.[2] Among its more unusual traits, the Austrian school draws its conclusions based on deduction and thought experiments, rather than data.[note 1][3] In place of the conventional tools of science, the Austrian School favors a narrative approach called "praxeology". Despite its shortcomings, some less nutty features of the Austrian School have leaked into mainstream economics while the more nutty have found a home at libertarian think tanks (Cato Institute and Ludwig von Mises Institute)."

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Austrian_school

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 16d ago

What I find funny the most is that while I find most of the stuff in this sub to be just bot content, there's a few things I follow in there.

It's usually got some relevant and recent news regarding milei which I like. I then check for a valid source reporting on the matter, as the sources in that sub are always dubious

But what's funny to me is how you pin me in some sort of cult...

But then you link me a ridiculously biased data source that is too far left to be credible (go ahead and ask me what news sources i consider good so I can shut down your pedantic counterargument real quick

I'm not the one in a cult buddy ;)

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Wow good thing they don't want to criminalize sexual harassment on the internet. That would have really harmed society.

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u/ph4ge_ 18d ago

It would have meant Musk would have to hire a few people to police Twitter and he will probably lose a segment of his most active users. The poor guy can't afford that.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Yeah and who is using that technology to harass female members of congress? Like is there a conflict of interest? Rape culture. F this shit it's hate speech.

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u/the8bit 17d ago

Look, don't you realize that if it is illegal to create fake porn of real people, we will never ever have any frozen peaches ever again! The first amendment directly hinges on our ability to platform nazis, you see! /s

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u/OkPossession9253 16d ago

At this point we should create mass deep fake porn of musk with Trump and flood internet with it and see how they react (probably by spending some money to make it disapear and pretend it never happen but at least it would be funny)

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u/Frosty-Buyer298 15d ago

How the fuck do you get sexually harassed on the internet? Just fucking block people and move on with you life.

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u/BlaktimusPrime 18d ago

What happened to it all being “for the kids”?

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u/Ok-Tackle5597 18d ago

How many times must they show they only give a shit about controlling women and don't actually care about kids before their sycophants clue in?

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u/BlaktimusPrime 18d ago

Happy Cake Day!

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u/evasive_dendrite 18d ago

They don't give a shit about kids. They consider women birthing machines and want to strip them of bodily autonomy. But as soon as that child is born, it's considered a lazy parasite on society that should fend for itself.

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u/Anthro_the_Hutt 18d ago

Particularly since Elon is supposedly so concerned that folks aren’t having enough kids. I guess once they pop out they don’t count anymore? That’s been the GOP ideology for a while now.

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u/Inevitable_Sector_14 18d ago

Yeah Elon needs more serfs.

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u/nicoj2006 18d ago

The world is too dumb-downed by right wing propaganda.

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u/Commentariot 18d ago

the actual opposite of rebellion

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u/franktronix 17d ago

Ugh of course the part against shitty pharmaceutical profiteering was left out (PBMs)

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u/icnoevil 17d ago

Word on the street is that Musk sabotaged the budget deal because it would have restricted trade with China where many of his manufacturing plants are located. Did you know that, MAGA repubs?

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u/NotGreatToys 17d ago

So many anti-Americans in one pic up there 

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u/decidedlycynical 17d ago

A lot of people fell for it. The bill to,fund the cancer facility was on the floor in March of this year. They sat on it. Don’t believe any politician.

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u/PostTwist 17d ago

May someone mangione that pos Musk

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u/GertonX 16d ago

Can we classify this as "terrorism"

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u/CaptainMike63 16d ago

Not true. The house passed that bill as a stand alone bill last year and it’s sat in the senate. Please know your facts because it makes you look ignorant. The cancer bill has been sitting in the senate and the democrats in the senate will not bring it up

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u/Retired_AFOL 16d ago

Not true.

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u/CaptainMike63 16d ago

It is true. Pocahontas is lying

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u/The_Original_Gronkie 16d ago

Take it from Musk's bank account.

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u/Vast-Carob9112 16d ago

As it should have been done from the beginning. Bills deserve up or down votes based on their individual merits, not used as bargaining chips.

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u/ThePennyMiser 16d ago

They seem to be really good at thoughts and prayers.

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u/FoogYllis 16d ago

They just say thoughts and prayers, but in actuality I doubt they give any, otherwise they wouldn’t be cutting funding from kids with cancer.

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u/ChipOld734 15d ago

How would corrupt politicians pad a bill to make sure their wasteful spending gets paid for? By putting in a provision that will fund something like children’s cancer research.

That way when it gets scrapped they can blame the mean old republicans who don’t care about the children.

In reality, they should stop adding things like this to spending bills and pass it on its own bill.

BTW get used to it because they’re going to do it for the next four years.

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u/stu54 15d ago

The rent is too damn high guy was right. Bills should be limited in size and focused in scope.

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u/AMW1955 15d ago

Better check your pony hoss, the bill signed into law was not the same bill, and as for add one it’s called pork and it is was McConnell favorite game. That’s how he became a multi-millionaire with only the government as a paycheck.

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u/ChipOld734 15d ago

It’s all of their favorite games…hoss.

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u/ArcadesRed 14d ago

Not a great argument. Almost all of them become millionaires. They join congress and suddenly start making such great stock picks.

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u/Professional_King790 15d ago

Where does the money go for pediatric cancer?

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u/BMWtooner 15d ago

Maybe putting pediatric research into that bill was the problem. Looks like it'll pass bipartisan on its own anyway, which is great. Apparently, Congress can agree, when it's law like this.

Now when they try to pass this bill next month as an omnibus with 500 new pages including an added provision to help secure more funding for gender neutral bathrooms in Congress we'll see where it goes.

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u/garycow 15d ago

dumpy's manhood got stripped for sure

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u/Electronic-Stop-1720 15d ago

What’s it called when the richest man in the world runs a country unilaterally?

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u/LividWindow 13d ago

I think the right word applies to wealthy people squarely and not just the richest. To make the word you seek you’ll need a few prefixes.

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u/Frosty-Buyer298 15d ago

Good less government means more freedom.

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u/AMW1955 15d ago

No less government means you pay more and get less for it. What freedoms do you think you will have that you do not now have?

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u/TheFaalenn 14d ago

So more government means you pay less ? It must be a utopia in North Korea

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u/Wise_Concentrate_182 15d ago

You mean that pointless 1500 page bill?

Why not have bills focused on issues as with every other country on the planet?

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u/thetburg 13d ago

US Congress can't pass a budget each year like normal countries, but sure, let's insist they do a clean bill on everything else.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that they should be doing those things, but I wouldn't ask my dog to drive a school bus either.

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u/Lowebrew 15d ago

Rep. Tim Kaine doing the people right.

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u/Fuckthedarkpools 15d ago

ahh. look 2 non elected officails.

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u/JCarnageSimRacing 14d ago

Does President Musk always carry his child that way? Looks annoying AF.

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u/Jaded_Medium6145 13d ago

After musk’s rebellion. Several things in the bill would have hurt his finances

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u/Icy-Mix-3977 18d ago

I wish i could have seen what was omitted rather than a bunch of hate.