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8 policies stripped from GOP bill after Trump, Musk rebellion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/12/20/musk-trump-children-health-debt/
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u/Accomplished_Tour481 18d ago

No, he did not. Why would you even go there?

There is to much bloat in the budget now. I am not saying pediatric cancer research is not a good idea, but if it was not authorized previously, increased funding should not be leveraged in a CR. I support funding this in an actual budget, and fund it by decreasing funding somewhere else.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

I agree with this. Jumping onto cancer research when I'd bet you my last paycheck that there's a bunch of bad stuff in that bill. The message should be "world's richest man coparents Republicans with their Russian husband."

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 18d ago

You make it sound like there is no cancer research already in progress. That is a blatant lie! Add to your rant at the end, is also a falsehood. That i just political banter (not needed or solicited).

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Literally never said there was no cancer research going on, that's just a blant strawman. I see you're just a bad faith actor.

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u/Angel_Eirene 18d ago

I don’t want to be mean because I kinda like you, but they never were anything more than and it was kinda obvious.

Their entire first point was ambiguous whining about “the bloat” and how the budget needs to be cut down which suffers 3 issues;

  • They don’t identify the bloat or justify what should be cut down so they don’t have to form an opinion (because they don’t have one)

  • the biggest bloat is military spending that beats out almost 30 of the runner ups combined.

  • there’s also the option to optimise and increase funding, but that would require things like Universal Healthcare (which would save Americans over a dozen billion a year from the system they already have) or Tax the rich significantly more…. But because they’re Elon Bootlickers they don’t want that

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u/Angel_Eirene 18d ago

I don’t disagree that there’s too much bloat, but the main places there are military or adjacent and those are never getting cut because that’s literally where Elon gets his billions as a defence contractor

Like… he literally is stealing — he’s an unelected official applying threats and pressure to change the budget of a country so yes it is stealing — money from research to cure children from cancer, just so he can line his pockets through more — excessive — defence spending.

He is taking advantage of children with cancer.

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u/No-Translator9234 17d ago

They literally bitched about “unelected officials” the whole fucking election. 😂😂😂

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u/Angel_Eirene 16d ago

Little lesson to learn from the Republican Party and it’s supporters, almost always their accusations are confessions.

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u/mrpopenfresh 18d ago

It wasn’t authorized before because Rand Paul kept blocking it.

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 18d ago

I will take your word on that (I did not research that). Assuming what you say is true, it could not have been just Rand Paul that blocked it previously. One lone Senator does not wield that much power. They must have others that voted the same way (for whatever reasons).

Do you agree that a CR is not the way to introduce new spending? That Congress should actually do their jobs and pass an actual budget?

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u/mrpopenfresh 18d ago

Do I agree that Congress should work as intended? Yes.

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u/InexorablyMiriam 17d ago

Only bloat in the federal budget is bombs for Israel and contracts for Elon Musk. The rest of it is the product of our taxes.

25% of our debt is Donald Trump. 55 other presidents and he is responsible for a quarter of it. GWB is another huge chunk. Elon just flipped his lid because the CR stripped out the blank check for him until 2028.

Why parrot the lie that this is about spending? That’s a lie. You know it is. If it was about spending then why raise the debt ceiling with no limit for the full term?

Why take it from the poor when the man is the richest in the world?

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u/Ok-Zone-1430 18d ago

Like BILLIONS for a rocket program that was supposed to take us to the moon by now? The billions that were actually spent on a dumbass project to go to Mars?

There’s plenty wasteful spending to deal with. But there’s absolutely no reason to target the pain towards those that will be hurt the most.

To channel the late Bill Hicks, we aren’t the ones who should be forced to “tighten our belts,” they’re tight enough as it is. The only belt that should be tightened is around the neck of that brain-damaged edgelord who can’t even name any of his kids halfway normally.

All he’s done is bought his way to the presidency to assure he stays protected from all his fraud, push for even more not needed tax cuts for his elite club, crush what little labor laws we have back to the 19th century, and keep that tasty taxpayer money funneling into his companies.

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u/badwoofs 18d ago

Seriously I hate SpaceX. I adored NASA and was all for us finally going back to space. I always see spacex in the news testing rockets but its become like they're like Russia's space program, they never GO anywhere. And they are massively wasteful.

This is 2024 and you can't beat what NASA did in the 70s with the computing power of an iPhone?

Folks love to tout private is more efficient than government research but it seems if it's private research on our dime it's not so efficient.

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u/thriftydelegate 17d ago

Unless I'm mistaken, private doctors would have been reading the same core course material as non-private doctors while studying (before choosing a specialty).

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u/softcell1966 17d ago

25% of Federal debt happened on your Daddy Donnie's watch. You must be so proud of all the damage and chaos that's going to come our way.

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 18d ago

Finally someone with an actual fucking brain

The practice of doing this is how you get uncontrolled bloat and government spending

No, I don't want kids to die of cancer. But the amount of money provided in this bill was only a small fraction of government funding for pediatric cancer. Yes, I think we should try and make up for it elsewhere anyways

How do you balance a budget when every bill has needless bloat that is not related to the original purpose?

Not a single person here has been able to draw a meaningful connection between pediatric cancer and federal employee wages...

These next 4 years are going to be wild.

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u/pioneer006 17d ago

Why are you so worried about balancing the budget?

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u/softcell1966 17d ago

Because they're in this cult:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Austrian_school

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 16d ago

Lil bro sees I have posted there a few times and think that I actually follow that garbage lmao

To everyone else... I just monitor that sub for news on milei. The sources there are not great so I always cross reference with valid publications, though

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 16d ago

Because if we cannot cut the budget guess what happens?

Inflation. Then the fed will raise rates. The wealthy benefit from this, and it is a major driver in wealth inequality

Which is exactly what the biden administration wanted to do if you ask me. They have always been a party of billionaires and the 1% since clinton. Still newcomers to the scene compared to republicans, but don't let that distract you from the truth

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u/pioneer006 16d ago

That isn't even true. The debt has been around and increasing for decades through periods of inflation but mostly not with any inflationary consequences.

The reason for the inflation during the last few years was because all of the dollars printed and dumped into the economy due to Covid....which actually showed why government's should be allowed to run deficits.

This is Macroeconomics 101. It seems like you might not have been to college. Paying off the debt with newly printed dollars for that specific purpose would cause inflation, but nobody has ever suggested doing such a thing. However, it literally is one way to pay off the debt and shows why government and business are run differently.

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 16d ago

Printing money is what caused all that inflation during covid. Both parties printed signicant amounts with bipartisan approval. The government can remove money from circulation by cutting spending, but instead we spent more

The fed raised rates because the current administration was not able to cut spending and like the last 3 administrations and likely the next, are going to give money to their rich buddies lol

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u/pioneer006 16d ago edited 16d ago

That is what I had stated in my previous response. Printing money causes inflation. Not an unbalanced budget.

Everything else that you have said is simply not true. We would never want to require the government to balance the budget because that would be stupid. Deficits are often necessary...and don't get started on the silly "cut spending" thing unless you plan on cutting the military. I personally don't want that to happen either, so deficit spending it is until we raise revenues.

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 16d ago

Deficit spending is literally printing money you doofus

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u/pioneer006 16d ago

Excuse me for being unclear...I meant printing the money to pay off the debt. That would cause inflation. There is no historical correlation to having the national debt and inflation. Inflation was low for years after the 1980s and caused by printing of money that went directly to those who would spend it.

Do you know the difference between fiscal and monetary policy?

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 16d ago

Please explain to me how deficit spending does not increase the money supply............ I'll wait.............

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