Because that's the job of the armorer. The actors and actresses do not have the responsibility to make sure the gun is safe. Their insurance company would not allow them to do that. Why? Because if an actor is responsible for gun safety on the set, they wouldnt have even given them insurance. That's why they hire armorers. Do you really think Jennifer Gardner or some other actress that knows nothing about guns is sitting on the set checking all the guns lol? They don't even know anything about guns. They're basically little babies and everyone else tells them what to do on set. They're one and only job is to act. That's the way Hollywood has been for decades. Now, from what I understand he was also the producer. And that makes him a lot more responsible. So I will definitely give you that.
That’s the stupidest take I’ve ever heard. Being an actor does not absolve u from literally basic gun rules. Not once he checked the weapon wasn’t loaded with bullets? WHAT DO U MEANNNNNNNN??? He can’t be bothered to learn the first rules literal donuts know?!?? Got to be a bit. Got to be. Please don’t be an actual human with this opinion good god we’re doomed
Do you actually know the official way they do things on movie sets? I mean seriously, do you really know? I'm assuming you don't. Those actors and actresses are guarded like crazy against any lawsuits. If you think the movie set will allow them to be responsible for any type of gun safety, you're sadly mistaken. Why even have an armor at that point? I'm not trying to be argumentative. But most of these Hollywood leftist actors and actresses no absolutely nothing about a machine gun. Or a pistol. And somehow they supposed to know what a real round is compared to a fake round lol? They do not know. They are not required to know. They are told to act. That's it. If the director says to point a gun at somebody, they point a gun at somebody. They're not like… Oh wait a minute, I need to open the chamber and see what's in here lol. That's what you do at a gun range. The armorer checks the gun before it's even given to the actor.
I think they're acting like liberals. They let politics get in the way of what happened. I hate this guy's politics more than anything, but I'm not going to make up a bunch of crap just to be angry lol.
Blah blah blah they should be. Or don’t touch a fucking gun. You dont get a pass just cause you’re an actor. What type of dog shit excuse is this. If you ever handled a firearm like that around anyone you’d be immediately corrected. But because your on a movie set there’s suddenly new rules? I don’t accept that. It’s a stupid excuse for lazy people
Edit to add. I’m registered in SAG so ya. But nice try to “one up” a random internet stranger.
Look buddy, I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything. I'm not even wanting to argue. I'm just trying to tell you my opinion. And you haven't touched on ANY of my points that I've made. You're just so angry lol. I'm making a lot of great points. If you are going to sit here and tell me that Queen Latifah was checking out her pistol to make sure that it wasn't loaded with the wrong rounds etc. before she did her scenes in the action movie she made, OK then lol. But I don't believe that for a second. I know what you think they should do. But what I'm talking about is, how they're treating firearms scenarios on set. I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything. Most of us don't actually know what they're doing on set. But you'll never convince me that they are taking these actors, most who hate guns and know nothing about guns, then telling them to be safety coordinators with their firearms… Not happening.
I do believe they should. I don’t think it’s acceptable practice that they don’t check or have awareness. There guns. It’s not a toy. If you don’t want them to be held accountable to check a real firearm. Then use a fake gun. It’s that simple imo. I don’t think your arguments hold water at any level which is why I haven’t addressed them. Your absolving them of being ignorant because what? They pretend to be someone else on a screen? You’re an adult. Act like it.
And they hate guns because there ignorant. It’s a tool. It’s not a toy. Don’t want to follow the most basic rules that every single person who handles a firearm is taught? Don’t use a real gun. Solved.
And in real life you don't point any gun at someone unless you intend to kill them even if it is unloaded.... Per that rule and your belief movie sets are not an exception to gun rules, how would they make movies with guns in them at all if you can't point a gun at someone?
Per that rule and your belief movie sets are not an exception to gun rules, how would they make movies with guns in them at all if you can't point a gun at someone?
You don't point real guns at people even while filming. In scenes where an actor is pointing a gun directly at another actor, it's generally:
1) pointed off to the side of the actor, and the camera angle is such that you can't tell the difference
2) pointed at a mirror
3) a completely inert gun, e.g. it's not capable of firing a projectile or even able to be modified to fire a projectile
There are no instances in movie making where a real gun capable of firing real bullets needs to be pointed at a real actor.
Still wouldn’t without checking the chamber. Stop making excuses your wrong and it will never be ok to pass the buck. He didn’t check. Immediate fail do not pass go. How could u ever pickup a firearm and not confirm if it was chambered? Literally never in my life. Ridiculous.
It's the armorers job on set to do that. No one is arguing the gun shouldn't have been checked, but it wasn't Baldwin's job as an actor to do that. Literally insane you still don't get that. This is how it has always been on a movie set and how it will continue to be done. We know Baldwin is responsible as producer for not ensuring the armorer was properly doing their job. But that is different than him being an actor who was handed a loaded gun by the armorer.
I pray to God you actually don't own any guns yourself because you can't even understand this simple concept. End of story, no sense in arguing further.
You'd check the chamber and see there's a round in it, because it was a revolver and it would look weird in the movie if the cylinders were visibly empty. For scenes like what they were doing, the revolver would be loaded with something similar to snap caps: https://www.amazon.com/Angeebin-Training-Practice-Loading-9MM-10pcs/dp/B0B52459G4
And then there are various other kinds of rounds they might have for various needs, including normal blanks and also rounds with just a primer that'll generate smoke. It would be the armorers job to verify what's loaded for the scene (e.g. if they need a shot of the actor firing a blank, they'd load up one cylinder with the blank, the others with the snap-caps, and make sure it was rotated such that the hammer is going to fall on the blank). There are various ways to tell the different kinds of rounds apart easily (e.g. one of them is a ball bearing inside that you can feel rolling around to verify it's not a normal bullet)., but all of that should be handled by the armorer.
All of this said, the armorer didn't hand Baldwin the gun (safety violation) and baldwin pointed it directly at another actor (another safety violation), so he's still responsible. My argument here is that of all the things to focus on, you've picked one that wouldn't have changed things.
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u/RadioHeadSunrise 10d ago
Well the person responsible for the death in this case is already in jail so this makes sense