r/prisonhooch • u/MushySunshine • 8d ago

Issue with freeze jacking?

I've left my wine out in freezing temperatures for all day and night but no ice formed. How cold does it need to be?

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u/Zelylia 8d ago

Looks like the freezing point of wine is -9 degrees Celsius

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u/MushySunshine 8d ago

It's cold outside but it's not that cold. Thanks, I'll bring it in. At least all the yeast is asleep now lol

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u/Zelylia 8d ago

Think you would want it to be less than the freezing point for wine however to remove what isn't alcohol so it would be about -5 degrees but might need to experiment ! Best of luck not really sure how it all works 😅

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u/MushySunshine 8d ago

It's like 26 out here so I'm nowhere close. I just assumed if it was below freezing it would just work but I guess not lmao.

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u/AdElectrical3997 8d ago

It's all the phosphates in it turning the frogs gay or whatever stops water from freezing

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u/nateralph 8d ago

I'm going to link you to this post in a chemistry sub

https://www.reddit.com/r/chemhelp/s/ATEtBbiV6H

The graph is pretty reliable for at least the first freeze iteration of your Jack. This models the freezing point for pure ethanol/water solutions. And it's reliable enough at first.

Most of the time freeze jacking will work if you have a good deep freezer cranked up to max power might get you 35-40%. It gets harder to calculate the more Jack iterations because the concentration of otherwise trivial impurities that you can ignore at first will start to increase enough to make a difference. Sugars. Fusel oils. Methanol. Esters. Pectins. Starches. All will affect the freezing point of a solution in different ways.

-9C looks like you might get a 10% solution to freeze? But not enough to be helpful. If you're going to rely on outside temperatures to do this, freeze it in small plastic bottles that are like 500mL each and you need to be living in Canada, Northern US in the Midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Dakotas), Alaska, Scandinavia but far from the coast, or Russia. Otherwise the winter cold just won't be cold enough.

For example, it's down in the single digits Fahrenheit here in Minnesota for a high which is about -15C to -20C for the daily swing. That might start being a good temperature to do the first rounds of Jacking. But I still wouldn't expect round 2 to be successful.