r/neoliberal Oct 08 '24

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u/Broad_Procedure Oct 08 '24

I mean it also shows that the Biden approach to getting a ceasefire is asking Netanyahu "please stop escalating the situation over there and start negotiating" and then getting promptly ignored.

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u/SharkSymphony Voltaire Oct 08 '24

The next step, where we stop supporting Israel militarily, is a broken alliance. Dang straight we should be doing everything we can to avoid that. It would be a disaster both home and abroad.

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u/SaddestShoon Gay Pride Oct 08 '24

For the Israelis maybe but us? Not really seeing how it'd be a "disaster"

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u/rendeld Oct 08 '24

a significant amount of our terror intelligence comes from Israel, at some point it would bite us in the ass at home

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u/SaddestShoon Gay Pride Oct 08 '24

I keep hearing this take but it is literally unprovable.

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u/caul1flower11 Oct 08 '24

Yes, it’s the security guard paradox. The only way to prove it is to break ties with Israel and hope that our intelligence can prevent attacks without any real assistance in the region. No sane administration wants to take that chance, but because we haven’t had major terror attacks for two decades the public doesn’t think the added intelligence is worth anything.

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u/Iron-Fist Oct 09 '24

Id also point out that Israeli actions and our support of them are the cited cause of quite a few terrorist attacks in the US and elsewhere...

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u/rendeld Oct 08 '24

We heard multiple times during the trump administration how Trump told Putin about all the stuff he was getting from Israel. So sure we don't know how much comes in from them but it's enough and good enough that Trump was telling his daddy about it.

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u/grandolon NATO Oct 08 '24

Gathering intel is one thing, choosing how to act on it is another.

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u/grandolon NATO Oct 08 '24

They certainly had bad judgment in this case. They were operating based on some bad preconceptions about Hamas's goals and capabilities.

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-october-7-attack-an-assessment-of-the-intelligence-failings/