Richard Dawkins lied about the Algerian boxer, then lied about Facebook censoring him

[u/ghhewh]

https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/richard-dawkins-lied-about-the-algerian

[u/0m4ll3y]

"Biker who identifies as cyclist wins the tour de France" clearly goes beyond "statements on biological sex" by a biologist and very, very clearly is touching on topics such as the validity of self-identitication, ideas of fairness, how sports should be governed etc etc.

Accusing Iman Khelif of "masquerading" is not some neutral language about someone who (according to a disgraced Putin stooge without any due process and along a very questionable sequence of events) may have irregular chromosomes, but is very clearly emphasising deception and deceit. These were not some academic tweets discussing the nuances of intersex, male and female make ups.

[u/palsh7 → u/0m4ll3y]

Let’s not pretend this has anything at all to do with “Russian stooges,” because no one ITT likes anything Dawkins has said for years about biological sex. Let’s also not pretend that liberals, democrats, progressives, or even trans people are of one mind about women’s sports.

[u/0m4ll3y → u/palsh7]

Let’s not pretend this has anything at all to do with “Russian stooges

It absolutely and obviously does though. The article is about Dawkin's response to the Khelif controversy which was literally instigated by a Russian stooge. If you don't want to talk about the article, what others are saying about the article, or Dawkins actions as outlined in the article, and instead write about some years long ephemeral grievance "this sub" apparently has with Dawkins I guess that's your prerogative but the actual subject of the article and this thread is directly linked to Russian stooges. The criticism of Dawkins is directly tied to the fact that he spouted poorly informed misinformation originating from an incorrect reading of untrustworthy and unvalidated Russian information.

Let’s also not pretend that liberals, democrats, progressives, or even trans people are of one mind about women’s sports.

I don't think anyone here is. Dawkins is a liberal and obviously has very different views to many here, hence the contention. I'm the one who just said this topic of conversation is about more than pure biology and covers non-biological discussions such as fairness and sports governance.

[u/palsh7 → u/0m4ll3y]

I haven’t seen any mainstream sources that say anything about Russian disinformation.

sporting…fairness

Both related to biological sex. Let me ask you: what percentage of Democrats and others on the left would you guess agree with Dawkins on his general views about biology re: women’s sports (not this particular tweet or this particular boxing case)?