r/neoliberal • u/GrandpaWaluigi Waluigi-poster • Dec 11 '23

The two-state solution is still best Opinion article (non-US)

https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-two-state-solution-is-still-best

The rather ignored 2 state solution remains the best possible solution to the I/P crisis.

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u/SnooChipmunks4208 Eleanor Roosevelt Dec 11 '23

Kinda a chicken and egg situation in that Hamas (or Hamas replacement) will not be gone until there is a viable political alternative.

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u/KosherOptionsOffense Dec 11 '23

Hamas emerged in large part because the conflict looked to be headed towards resolution in the late 80s and early 90s. They were founded to ensure that the conflict wouldn’t resolve in a two state solution that recognized Israel as a permanent reality.

Hamas doesn’t draw its strength from the frustrated Palestinians who want a two state solution, but from Palestinians who want no Israel and are frustrated that Israel’s existence only gets more and more entrenched.

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u/SnooChipmunks4208 Eleanor Roosevelt Dec 11 '23

You're skipping over the fact that non-violent methods have been complete failures. For example, since the PLO has committed to diplomatic resolution they've gotten nothing. So people default to armed struggle because there aren't alternatives.

This is not to discount that there is absolutely a core of "destroy israel" believers, but in the marketplace of ideas peaceful resolution is not winning.

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u/MinimalistBruno Jorge Luis Borges Dec 12 '23

The PLO's lack of success is directly attributable to two things. First, they are only moderate compared to Hamas -- theyre still rather fucked up and a seriously unfriendly neighbor. Second, they lack of control over their people, which constrains their ability to seriously negotiate. Israel can "make peace" with the PLO, but it wont last because armed Palestinian groups won't stop fighting just because the PLO signs a peace of paper. So the PLO can't promise Israel that a beefed up Palestine won't threaten Israeli lives, because they don't control the terrorists who operate within Palestiniam borders.