The two-state solution is still best

[u/GrandpaWaluigi]

https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-two-state-solution-is-still-best

The rather ignored 2 state solution remains the best possible solution to the I/P crisis.

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[u/Know_Your_Rites]

I'm sorry, how do you get from a two-state solution to the total extermination of all Israeli Jews?

The October 7th raid killed fewer than 2,000 people. Even assuming a raid from the West Bank would be ten times as destructive, you're still two orders of magnitude away from an existential threat (and the population ratio between Gaza and the West Bank is only 1.5:1, not 10:1).

If your argument is that a Palestinian state would develop quickly and thus become more militarily powerful, that is actually a better argument for the idea that Palestinians would become better off and thus less radical.

[u/amurmann → u/Know_Your_Rites]

Hamas and other Palestinians have said they will not rest till all Jews are dead. One can hope that a more prosperous Palestine will lose interest in that, but it's a gamble.

[u/Know_Your_Rites → u/amurmann]

Of course it's a gamble. So is sticking with the status quo. The question is which is the better gamble--and my money sure as hell isn't on the status quo.

If you really think continuing the current pattern is better (in anything other than the very short-term), I'd love to hear an argument

[u/amurmann → u/Know_Your_Rites]

I think the best bet is to improve conditions for Palestinians and open up things gradually and seeing if things stay calm before moving to two or three states. Improving anything hinges on removing Hamas though, since they use everything they get their hands on for weapons and tunnels and further nobody wants to invest there while Hamas is around. Meanwhile even the West Bank has limited property rights (due to Palestinian Authority rules). It's a messed up situation.

[u/Know_Your_Rites → u/amurmann]

and open up things gradually and seeing if things stay calm before moving to two or three states

This has been tried, and it always backslides because it makes nobody happy. You're just proposing the status quo with extra steps.

[u/amurmann → u/Know_Your_Rites]

I guess it's the status quo then...