Democrats should pay attention to Kristen McDonald Rivet's election postmortem

[u/cathbadh]

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/kristen-mcdonald-rivet-democrats-win-rcna184010

[u/blewpah]

This is the same nonsense that led you to losing in the "most consequential election in our lifetime".

This kind of guilt-trippy rubbing left wing people's face in the election loss without any attempt to engage with valid points is incredibly lame, especially when you make it this personal. It's pretty unlikely the person you responded to was part of the Harris campaign or the Democratic party.

Instead of rejecting the left fringe, dems are trying to mainstream it even more and America rejected it. That's what you need to realize.

You're ignoring the point - Republicans hardly rejected their fringe, often it was actually a centerpiece of their campaign. For some reason it didn't stick in the minds of voters or Republicans generally weren't punished for it.

So why the difference? This is obviously relevant to what happened this election, even though a lot of folks don't seem to want to engage with the question.

[u/wes424 → u/blewpah]

Their prior reply made it pretty clear who they supported. And yes maybe they should have the loss "rubbed in" so they stop and consider why they have a losing message. That's not personal. Instead, they are doubling down.

Democrats are too afraid of the extremists in their party that they can't say that calling for the genocide of jews on a college campus is bad. America voted against that.

[u/permajetlag → u/wes424]

I've seen no evidence that this election swung on the Israel issue. In fact, what I've seen is Kamala being too pro-Palestine close to the bottom.

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

[u/wes424 → u/permajetlag]

Look at swings in margins in predominantly Jewish counties across the country. Of course not enough to tip the election on its own. And even non Jewish voters probably didn't look at the liberal handling of that and go "yes, that's reasonable".

[u/permajetlag → u/wes424]

In terms of electoral outcomes, it's possible that Kamala loses more Muslims than she gains Jews if she moved right on Israel. We'll never know for certain.

But the main point is not direction, it's magnitude. It's just not salient enough to claim that "America voted against that".

[u/wes424 → u/permajetlag]

She lost major ground on both. See Dearborn, Michigan.

You're right, but it's only one example of many of the Dem party catering to their fringe elements which was the original thread here and what I think was electorally rejected.