Do y’all agree with this Bleach remake take? Discussion

Imo the OG doesn’t need a remake. It’s not like the anime came out in the 90s, It still looks pretty good in this day and age.

Sure it does have flaws, but I rather they make a remake later down the line and focus on new Canon content not stuff we are seeing years ago.

Pretty much when bleach stop having new content in the future is what I’m saying.

Then they could start on a remake I think that is the best way.

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u/Leading-Control-3053 19h ago edited 16h ago

my problem is in old bleach the anime cut s A LOT OF CONTENT

like how many people know, that orihime is the one who inspired ichigo to go and save rukia, ichigo was about to mind his own business this was cut in anime

how many people know how bad orihime's childhood was and they cut out moments of her from anime which was there in manga

how many people know that ichigo had "self killing" thought process in beginning due to his mother's death

how many people know that aizen spying on ichigo was set up way before during appearance of menos

the most biggest crime ever, the way they butchered grand fisher fight, his mom suddenly appears and goes to heaven ? that never happened in manga, knowing full well what she is and what happens to those people who are killed by hollows,

and all that ichigo and rukia shipping moments ?

and the amount of deaths that was censored by letting the characters live

and these are just very very few of the faults

the amount of cannon stories they transferred to filler arcs, like ichigo's motivation is in bount arc, hitsugaya's story is in zampakto rebillion arc

i personally would like the remake and correct the anime mistakes and with better pacing, nostalgia is cool and all, but old anime has a lot big mistakes which harm the story telling

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u/DripIntravenous 18h ago

Not just inserting canon stories into filler, they did the opposite too! Like trying to insert filler characters into canon scenes after their arcs had past. Those little doll things from the Bount arc added nothing of value to the story during the Arrancar Arc and instead were distractors during important scenes, like Isshin’s reveal.

They took a LOT of creative liberties in the OG show. The animators had a weird obsession with shipping Ichigo and Rukia too.

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u/shrey-sama 14h ago

It's because of the director, noriyuki abe had weird agendas in the adaptation. He even changed script a few times

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u/RainbowLoli Hinamori Protection Squad 7h ago

Given this seemed to be primarily a problem in Bleach, as many people don't dislike his involvement in Tokyo Mew Mew, Yu Yu Hakusho, etc. I have no idea why he'd decide to make those changes.

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u/Pigmachine2000 you cant argue against me about lore you fool, ive read CFYOW! 4h ago

It was done in Naruto as well, but it worked out because the ship they decided to go for was Hinata and Naruto

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u/RainbowLoli Hinamori Protection Squad 4h ago

I don't know if he worked on Naruto, but I guess what happened is that he assumed the popular ship would be the canon one and well... it backfired. Badly.

Especially because Orihime's introduction scene is her finding Ichigo's scowl cute but in the anime, it introduces her as running away from him when he bumped into her. That's such a vast change to make for ??? reasons... You'd think that maybe oh wait let's leave things a little more vague but I guess not.

Like I understand it's very typical that your main male character and your male female character will end up together, but it feels like they did everything possible to ignore the potential of Orihime being an LI as well.

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u/Leading-Control-3053 18h ago

yup

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u/vyxxer 17h ago

I actually kinda like that. I dislike filler being performed in a vacuum.

And I think the dolls are cute!

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u/Lucky4D2_0 12h ago

I mean yeah i can agree with that but you admit it only works well if it is done well. And with Bleach it wasnt done that well.

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u/Standard-Pop6801 18h ago

And the worst thing they cut out! Ichigo and Rukia waiting for a cat to get run over by a car.

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u/Chemical_Builder4159 18h ago

Wait what characters were supposed to die but survived in the anime??

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u/Leading-Control-3053 18h ago

the soul girl, she was eaten by the fishbone D in begnning, but anime let her live

the citizens of karakura which aizen kills just by walking past there was a lot of corpse n manga than just one guy

and some here and there

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u/2-time-all-valley 11h ago

To me a lot of that is just minor stuff tbh. A couple things you mentioned I agree on but idk if it’s enough to warrant an entire 55 vol remake

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u/demonkufje2 11h ago

Honestly is that so bad, like i get it pulls away from the grim tone that kubo might have wanted to set here. But i don't think that grimness of bleach really is any reason why anybody likes bleach

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u/PeacefulKnightmare 11h ago

The grim elements were why I liked it the most of the big three during the original manga run, and I feel like it made the series stand out during its time.

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u/Tranquilcalls 4h ago

Literally hollows are the special of the show that got me....

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u/Cow_Other 10h ago

I don't think it's really more grim than Naruto or One Piece also are when they also show the darker elements of the world.

Those other series also tackle murder, genocide, slavery, torture, sadistic scientists and so on. Often these topics may even be at the core of an arc.

It's art style, cast and wide array of unique powers in fights made it stick out. The same could be said for the other two. They each have their own set of unique feeling powers, casts and interesting art styles that makes them feel different from one another.

They all deliver something unique but I don't think Bleach is delivering something unique in it's grimness compared to the others in the big three. Naruto and One Piece faced similar censorship when being adapted to anime.

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u/PeacefulKnightmare 10h ago

There's an element of body horror that wasn't present in the other two, and the themes surround life/death/reincarnation were something the others would usually touch on lightly. That's what made it stand out for me.

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u/Claude_Speeds 9h ago

I agree, bleach to me felt way different to Naruto and one piece, it always felt a lot more mature and had a element of horror in a sense, and the vibes overall.

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u/Cow_Other 7h ago edited 7h ago

I disagree. Naruto has body horror, just as often as Bleach with many of the main villains employing it. Here are some examples of Naruto body horror:

Kimimaro’s bones portruding out of his skin as his weapon

Danzo’s arm with multiple eyes inserted into it

Shikamaru’s arm melting off(and also other various genjutsu images throughout the series)

Obito’s head was ripped in two while he was alive through this to contain the Juubi

Naruto’s skin will peel off when he enters 4 tails and up. Gaara’s skin also peels off to reveal sand. Shino's bugs under his skin. Pain sticks metal rods in corpses and employs them as puppets with new eyes inserted. Kakuzu’s ability with inserting hearts into his body. This doesn’t even begin to mention what Orochimaru does and so on.

Life/Death/Reincarnation is also a major topic within the series and a vital part of nearly every antagonist’s journey. Orochimaru’s whole ordeal with seeking immortality and experimenting with reincarnating the dead. Pain, the rinnegan’s abilities and it’s connection with the samsara. Kaguya & the Otsusuki. This theme continues into Boruto where each major villain is a god locked in a cycle of reincarnation through karma and working out how to stop one reincarnating into Boruto and Kawaki is one of the most important parts of the series.

Granted Bleach beats it out here with it’s more direct approach in presenting many of the characters as souls but Naruto hardly touches on it lightly when it’s at the centre of many villain’s abilities and motivations.

As for One Piece I’m less familiar with it since I haven't gotten as far into it so I can’t comment as much.

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u/PeacefulKnightmare 6h ago

And it's that direct approach that I'm getting at. It might be Kishimito's art style, but those moments never really struck me as "horrific" in the same way as Aizen in his monster form wearing the skin of his face like a hoodie or As Nodt being himself. Naruto always struck me as the "cool kid doing edgy stuff," but after the Haku/Zabuza fights, the series didn't quite feel as brutal.

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u/_imagine_that91 18h ago

Byakuya for one. He was supposed to die to As Nodt but everyone begged for him to return so kubo brought him back.

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u/nahte123456 18h ago

This is just not true, it's a weird rumor people just made up.

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u/_imagine_that91 18h ago

Ohh I heard this awhile back though. Like before TYBW anime even started

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u/nahte123456 18h ago

I figured, that was a rumor back when the manga was going on. I remember the same day the chapter came out that had Rukia, Renji, and Byakuya in Senjumaru's hold came out people started saying Twitter "bullied" Kubo into reviving him. But I've looked for years and asked several people, this just has no proof of happening, not even a hint.

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u/Ck_shock 11h ago

I always heard he had gotten death threats and people saying they would off themselves if he didn't undo it. Not necessarily Twitter people but people writing in to him.

Though idk if this was before or after the stuff went around about a dude unaliving himself after itachi died in Naruto. If something like that actually happened I can see an author being like maybe I should go back on that

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u/nahte123456 3h ago

Even if that was true, which is silly as Kubo has never mentioned this and it doesn't line up with the story at all or the time it'd take to make the pages, the rumors existed literally before that could be known.

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u/RainbowLoli Hinamori Protection Squad 7h ago

If anything, while the twitter nonsense likely did happen - Kubo has also mentioned in an interview that he'll only kill off a character if he feels like it's a good send off and if there is nothing else he wants to explore with their character.

The only character this hasn't applied to his Grimmjow - who was meant to die but Kubo couldn't come up with a good enough send off and had fun writing him.

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u/_imagine_that91 18h ago

It does kinda make sense tho. As Nodt clearly killed him. He’s just back because of plot.

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u/nahte123456 18h ago

That is just flatly untrue. Jugram suggests it but Tenjiro pretty clearly says Byakuya would die without him which could just be what Jugram meant.

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u/Ensaru4 17h ago

The scene was changed slightly in the anime, so I reckon that Byakuya was initially going to die but Kubo changed his mind.

For such a fan favourite character, after he was healed he didn't get any significant scenes and effectively passed the baton to Rukia.

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u/nahte123456 17h ago

I mean it could also be changed because weirdo's started lying about him being bullied over it.

And he did more then Rukia post As Not, and getting a part of the Gerard fight is better then any Visard's got or characters like Isane or SoiFon.

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u/Temporary-Rice-8847 9h ago

The scene was changed slightly in the anime, so I reckon that Byakuya was initially going to die but Kubo changed his mind.

If we go that Byakuya was going to die because other character say that he was dead then Rukia and Chad were also going to die but Kubo changed his mind

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u/Ck_shock 11h ago

Dudes zanpakuto literally disloved and his torso was ripped apart. Ichigos reaction when that happen shows that he felt the guy was dying and giving him his last will and testament to him.

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u/nahte123456 3h ago

I answered someone else saying this so rather than repeat myself on why the first part is dumb here.

Do y’all agree with this Bleach remake take? : r/bleach

For his torso being "ripped apart" so what? Legitimately so what? He's a konpaku, he can survive, Hiyroi got cut in half, Renji also got his by his Bankai, and Shunsui got his gut "gouged out" according to Lille and all survived. They aren't human, they are not flesh and blood, they are konpaku and have literally NEVER followed normal human lethalities.

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u/bynosaurus 8h ago

i mean, what was senbonzakura disintegrating meant to represent?

idrc whether it was kubo's intention to kill him, but byakuya 100% should have died. his character arc would have come full circle with him asking for ichigo's help with his dying breath. plus, the emotional stakes of rukia vs as nodt could've been ten times higher.

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u/nahte123456 3h ago

Literally not that? If anything that confirms he was alive because Zanpakutou DON'T DO THAT. Not only is it a major plot point that Tousen took his dead friends Zanpakutou, but ALSO after Yamamoto's death his sword is RIGHT THERE. We see it multiple times in Chapter 515, dying doesn't erase your Zanpakutou.

https://preview.redd.it/pl56156l88ce1.png?width=724&format=png&auto=webp&s=4da8990e3744a2e52d6316442cbda7412c748d9c

What DOES happen, as we see when Renji fought Byakuya, is your sword can revert to save your energy, that is all.

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u/Pokemon_132 18h ago

my only demand if they do a remake is a complete rewrite to yammy's fight. i can handle the rest being lifted perfectly from the manga but i cannot handle yammy being what he is without proving it.

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u/Leading-Control-3053 18h ago

the point of yammy is he is suppose to be a staller for byakuy and kempachi and mayuri to not enter in karakura arc during aizen fight, he is nothing more than that

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u/Pokemon_132 18h ago

yeah exactly, so SHOW us that

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u/Leading-Control-3053 18h ago

lets just say he got cooked hard between the bantern of byakuya and kempachi

which is laughable and makes yammy a fraud,

espada 0, 0 character development, 0 feats, 0 aura

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u/Ensaru4 17h ago

Getting cooked by two very strong captains Aizens himself didn't want around is hardly laughable.

I just wished we got to see that fight.

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u/passaroach35 16h ago

Senbonzakura kage-oshi, kenpachi two hands is pretty much the fight here, the interesting part is making byakuya & Kenny communicate with each other to coordinate their attacks on yammy

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u/OrganizationStock767 5h ago

Let's be honest here, Aizen would just one-shot both of them if he fought them.

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u/newyearoldme 14h ago

And Kensei vs Wonderwiss. It was left out in the manga for no reason and Wonderwiss just showed up unharmed.

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u/phantompersona1023 11h ago

Tbh it made perfect sense to me, with Byakuyas speed, kido skills and bankai and kenpachis raw power him being beaten always made sense to me that's a powerhouse of a duo to face.

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u/thebluediablo 11h ago

All of this. I'd love to see the original anime revamped with the modern animation style and all of the inconsistencies/loose ends/pacing issues tidied up.

That said, if it's an either/or choice between getting that, and getting adaptations of the Hell arc, or CFYOW, or whatever... gimme that new shit!

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u/Middle-Ask-6430 17h ago

wow this revelation is a like telling the darkside that many people wouldnt know...

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u/darkavengernitewing 16h ago

Wait?!?! There are deaths that were edited out of the show?!?!?! That's criminal!!!! I never read the manga. I only started reading it once the show was cancelled. Thousand Year Blood War is infinitely better than the manga. But from what I read the manga was rushed at the end

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u/Just-Fox6581 12h ago

Wait, this was all in the manga? Holy I didn't know this. bleach deserves a remake holy cow dude they messed up big time

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u/Sofa_expert142 14h ago

Wait, where it was aizen spying on ichigo foreshadowing

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u/Leading-Control-3053 14h ago

when menos appeared,

in manga

there is this small bug from RnD department which was destroyed by jinta later we hear voice coming from bug, that rukia was found

here, aizen basically set the bug and let the computer on so later when the RnD was able to know where rukia was hiding aand byakuya and renji was sent to retrieve her

this is a very important thing which anime causally cut for no reason

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u/OrganizationStock767 5h ago

But this is forshadowing for Aizen being responsible for Rukia arrest not for the "Aizen was always spying on Ichigo" twist that came way later.

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u/Ahmdo10 18h ago

Damn I did not know any of this up till now, I was thinking reanimating is better because of the amazing animations they made for the PV but hey this would be an awesome bonus too

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u/Ellek10 7h ago

Wasn’t that Aizen stuff mentioned in the anime?

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 14h ago

Also let's be the real, the animation doesn't hold up.

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u/Leading-Control-3053 14h ago

the real problem is bleach does has good animation and i mean really good animation for its time but they blew their entire budget on filler and then cannon has goofy inconsistent animation

like look at koga vs byakuya or aany filler fight they were going at it

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 13h ago

I mean some of the fights are certainly done well, I just don't much care for early 2000s anime animation. Early Naruto, Bleach etc... that weird bridge between hand drawn animation of the 90s and the modern style.

You telling me you wouldn't want to see some of the soul society arcs done in TYBW art style?

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u/InnocentTailor 12h ago

Yeah. It’s old and cut corners in plenty of places. This ain’t FMA: Brotherhood, which is a classic piece that still looks nice.

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u/BrotherFun183 11h ago

They did the same to rourunai kenshin. It was okay but i agree with this man or woman🖖

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u/PersonFromPlace 11h ago

And remember when Tatsuki told Orihime to shove her boobs in Ichigo’s face to get him to like her??

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u/EmperorKiva33 9h ago

Damn, that's insane!

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u/Leading-Control-3053 8h ago

there a lot more, i just noticing just a few of those

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u/one_love_silvia 8h ago

You can say suicide on reddit.

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u/samwise58 4h ago

So we need Bleach: Brotherhood is what you’re saying?

I’m there for it!!! Could even start with Ichigo vs. …..hmm, somebody pretty powerful. Then tell his origin story in flashback and make it a lil more impactful. “Wow, that’s the largest zanpakto I’ve ever seen [for someone just gaining powers]” or however Rukia said it- would be like- WOW! Why is he using a skinny little black sliver of a sword later?

I hadn’t thought much of a Bleach remake but I def see how it could be improved and be really awesome.

His big fight with Byakuya at the execution grounds was awesome, but to see it again with better animation? Sure. Let’s go!!!!

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u/IMF73 49m ago

I would still rather get SAFWY/CFYOW animated than the entire main story reanimated to "fix" mostly minor mistakes. You could argue it's a death by a thousand cuts but I would still rather get things animated that weren't before, along with knowing how the characters in those stories would sound, new music, and how their abilities would be portrayed in an official animation.

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u/RanceSama3006 14h ago

Watch them make a remake do everything and still keep the ichigo Rukia stuff cause apparently they’re fans of the ship

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u/InnocentTailor 12h ago

Maybe Kubo can ensure that he gets his way - Ichigo X Orihime or the highway.

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u/mystireon 13h ago

If they do a remake I kinda do hope they keep a couple of the filler arcs, bleach is probably the only show I know where people tell you to skip the filler but then to go back and watch most of them after the main story.

probs cuz in some cases Kubo helped on them, which leads to super interesting characters like Ashido and Muramasa

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u/Elegant-War-5973 12h ago edited 10h ago

Ichigo/Rukia shipping was definitely unwarranted, but it did SOME good things. (indirectly.) I feel like cutting out the whole thing with Orihime before SS was a good call. They had plenty of chemistry at that point, even in the manga. For god's sake, she lived in his closet. They were definitely close friends at that point. If they kept that in, it'd feel like it clashes with his goal

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u/OuterPressure 12h ago

ehhhhh TYBW cut alot of content too tbh

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u/Brinewielder 18h ago

It would cost too much money for the people that would watch it.

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u/Killjoy3879 18h ago

Bleach is one of the most profitable IP's in manga. Plenty of series get remakes anyways, fma and hxh objectively speaking sell less than bleach and they both got remakes. trigun got a remake, sailor moon had a remake, hellsing had a remake,urusei yatsura had a remake. The list goes on. If anything it'd simply make them more money, especially riding off the revived hype of the ip.

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u/Brinewielder 18h ago

For sure, but it isn’t the most watched even at this new height with TYBW. I think garbage isekai are still more watched.

It’s not even top 10 I don’t think, I was surprised to see it absent. Also all those shows were like 26 episode one offs.

Bleach has an extremely dated method of storytelling in the beginning. It’s almost ghost stories tier until it brings up the momentum with the ss arc.

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u/Killjoy3879 18h ago

i can't really say i understand your gauge for profitability. If something is profitable for a company then it's profitable. it's constantly in the top3-5 on tv tokyo, even above pokemon and yu-gi-oh, and pierrot has mentioned how successful it has been for them. They even created a subdivision to allow them to focus more efficiently on bleach and adapt to a more seasonal format for anime. The fact that there's a new bleach game going to be released soon only futher adds to its popularity.

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u/phantompersona1023 11h ago

Bleach is deffo popular, it was top 3-5 for TV Tokyo right up until tybw arc and that's years after it ended.

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u/Brinewielder 18h ago

Absolutely, I am excited for that as well. I honestly hope the hype builds to developing animated and serializing can’t fuck your own wife and sleeping with the soul society into manga.

Bleach games have always been duds but I have high hopes for the new ones. They were always popular in Japan at least the heat the soul series.

TYBW is great because it starts off with action and doesn’t die down until the end, and it needed a rightful “edit” to add more stuff that otherwise was left out due to Kubo’s illness.

I hope for the best but I’ve been a bleach fan since like 2008 and I don’t have faith in the first few arcs ability to compete with the other bullshit that’s outz

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u/Leading-Control-3053 18h ago

the thing is if they animate the old one, it will not take them more than 70 or 80 eps upto aizen fight

fullbringer arc dosent need a remake, its perfect

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u/Foreign-Reaction-136 17h ago

mmm personally that one Ginjo panel when he was revealed to be the villain pisses the shit out of me he looks like a hentai character-

https://preview.redd.it/ut4roinkz3ce1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ee28052e148420e305efded0744f19c7cbe7646

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u/Brinewielder 18h ago

I would love that, but the worst thing that could happen (which is entirely plausible) is for them to animate 1/4 or 1/2 and then have to stop due to lack of budget 😬

Would rather have it not be done at all at that point.

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u/Ensaru4 17h ago

Bleach is their money maker right now. I don't see this happening. The worst case is the director gets tired of Bleach and moves on to something else.

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u/SadSecurity 16h ago

it will not take them more than 70 or 80 eps upto aizen fight

I can already smell the horrible pacing from here.

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u/Leading-Control-3053 16h ago

bruh, you understand the dragging the arrancar arc did in anime ? the fights are way shorter and to the point in manga compared to anime and there is not 20 mins of people standing there and looking at one another

also bleach is 40% filler to began with

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u/SadSecurity 15h ago

I understand the horrible pacing in TYBW and I can already see it dragging down the original Bleach.

the fights are way shorter and to the point in manga compared to anime and there is not 20 mins of people standing there and looking at one another

This never happened.

also bleach is 40% filler to began with

And? Fillers are completely skippable.

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u/EdKeane 13h ago

Horrible pacing in tybw is certainly a take when the series are almost universally praised for good pacing and episodes that are almost all packed with content.

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u/SadSecurity 12h ago

Couldn't care less what other people are thinking about it. Bleach does not even give any breather for allowing to normally process the information, it just rushes from one point to another.

At some point of Yhwach Vs Ichibe fight it looks so comical, it makes me think they just wanted to finish it ASAP and be done with it.

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u/EdKeane 10h ago

Sounds like a you problem. If you don't like something better not engage with the said thing. It will bring your mood down. I was always a huge Harry Potter fan but I don't engage with the latest content really. It's not worth my time and my nerves.

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u/SadSecurity 10h ago

Sounds like you don't have an argument.

You are right you should not enagage with something you don't like, so why are you keep replying to me? Don't like what I say, don't read it.

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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 5h ago

Lol she didn’t tell inspire him to go, he already wanted to he just didn’t know if it was the right thing to do. She confirmed that for him.

It really didn’t cut half of what you are saying. Most of this was gotten across perfectly fine in the anime. Most people who have seen the show know this.

Lol what deaths were censored? Not many people died. Simple.

The Anime put the show on the map and most people have only seen the anime and share the exact same feelings on the story as you do. This is just objectively incorrect. Many people have had a perfectly enjoyable bleach experience from the anime.