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Bleach: Thousand Year Blood War Episode 30 Discussion Thread Episode Release

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Episode Info

Episode 30: The Betrayer

Ukitake takes the place of the slain Soul King by releasing the power of Mimihagi.

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Episode 1: The Blood Warfare
Episode 2: Foundation Stones
Episode 3: March of the Starcross
Episode 4: Kill the Shadow
Episode 5: Wrath as a Lightning
Episode 6: The Fire
Episode 7: Born in the Dark
Episode 8: The Shooting Star Project (Zero Mix)
Episode 9: The Drop
Episode 10: The Battle
Episode 11: Everything But The Rain
Episode 12-13: Everything But The Rain June Truth
Episode 14: The Last 9 Days
Episode 15: Peace From The Shadows
Episode 16: The Fundamental Virulence
Episode 17: Heart of Wolf
Episode 18: Rages at Ringside
Episode 19: The White Haze
Episode 20: I Am The Edge
Episode 21: The Headless Star
Episode 22: Marching Out the Zombies
Episode 23: Marching Out the Zombies 2
Episode 24: Too Early to Win Too Late to Know
Episodes 25: The Master and 26: Black
Episodes 27: A
Episode 28: Kill The King
Episodes 29: The Dark Arm

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

Ichigo was gonna go Bankai. Damm

Also remember Uryu fans Ichigo could've killed Uryu two times before he just didn't.

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u/Healthy-Ad6047 Oct 26 '24

Uryu was surprised to see blut the first time

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u/Fantastic_Golf_6260 Oct 26 '24

Was he even told Ichigo is half quincy beforehand?

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u/Healthy-Ad6047 Oct 26 '24

Nope this is the first time he learns that...no wonder he was shocked like that

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u/shoestowel Oct 26 '24

Little details like that make this adaptation very good.

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u/bondsmatthew Oct 27 '24

He even asks Ichigo where his honor is!

Uryu's repeated line of "on my honor as a Quincy" and all that. He's acknowledging it there instead of outright asking Ichigo

I imagine he's gonna talk with Jugrum or Yhwach in the next few episodes and inquire as to why he wasn't told

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u/bondsmatthew Oct 26 '24

I expected a conversation between the two about that. Ichigo saying something like, "He killed your mom, he killed my mom why are you on his side!"

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u/jonathanblaze1648 Oct 26 '24

He probably had no idea. That was a nice little touch there though.

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u/GabrielM96 Oct 26 '24

Yeah, Uryu was locked in the entire fight.. and Ichigo powers always fluctuates when he is emotionally involved. However, that Clash has show that Ichigo has more RAW strength but uryu has the antithesis hax..so i think he have an advantage against base true shikai Ichigo.

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u/Square_Pride1877 Oct 26 '24

he wasn't ''locked in'' he just had to look serious because Jugram was watching him closely.

This fight was similar to Gin vs Ichigo. If he wanted to kill Ichigo he would facetank Getsuga then use Antithesis without Ichigo knowing what just happened. He just dealt enough damage to make himself look serious while not killing him. His aim is not bad we saw it against Senjumaru.

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u/jonathanblaze1648 Oct 26 '24

Plus he knew that Orihime was nearby so he's going to yeet them off with Ichigo and Orihime can patch him up. But Ichigo is too soft-hearted. If that were me, I'd be trying to kill Uryu. You can't be holding back for anyone who gets in your way when all of existence is at stake.

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u/BoyTitan Oct 26 '24

Uryu would be the worse opponent to try and kill. We don't know how much damage Antithesis can tank and return to sender. It tanked a attack from a Royal Guard bankai so it's pretty busted.

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u/jonathanblaze1648 Oct 27 '24

I get that but Ichigo wouldn't know that either. However, even if Uryu didn't have the Antithesis because he didn't even need to use it in this battle. Ichigo is still way too soft hearted with all that's on the line.

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u/95_T Oct 26 '24

It's Mayuri all over again. He so obviously didn't shoot to kill. Idk why people are pretending like Uryu was going all out.

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u/Square_Pride1877 Oct 26 '24

You are overestimating the intelligence of an average person on Reddit

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u/TeaPartyJones Oct 27 '24

Oda called it out in a SBS pretty recently over a dumb question, basically questioning people's reading comprehension.

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u/Neracca Oct 28 '24

I never do ;)

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u/ExL-Oblique Oct 26 '24

Yeah the moment I realized the hole wasn't directly through the chest I knew he was throwing on purpose

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u/AffectionateSink9445 Oct 26 '24

I honestly didn’t think that at first but you guys raise good points. I assume he will get healed by Orihime but still shocked Ichigo lost like that

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u/Rhyghen Oct 26 '24

Story wise of course. Fighting wise he went all out. It doesn’t matter if he didn’t shoot to kill. Ichigo on the other hand. You can’t act loyal if you are not doing it all the way! Anyway he is indeed pretty strong even if i personally didn’t like the looks of his Vollstandig - my taste, don’t downvote the fuck out of me kind people -

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u/Youboot224 Oct 26 '24

I literally just got thumbs downed by Ichigo fans for posting a comment that stated Uryu wasn't taking the fight seriously either.

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u/MarsJon_Will Oct 27 '24

Powerscalers and Ichigo wankers are just in shambles that Ichigo 'lost' the fight. Nothing new really.

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u/Krolex Oct 26 '24

Ichigo didn’t even activate his hollow form

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u/LilacAndElderberries Oct 26 '24

I don't think we will ever see the mask come out since that side of Ichigo was his true shinigami power all along, so he basically has access to the hollow powers at all times now, along with his quincy side.

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u/Picchuquatro Oct 27 '24

They're most likely referring to something that happens later in the manga, wont spoil it for you but Ichigo's got more to show.

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u/GabrielM96 Oct 26 '24

ALL i meant is that Uryu was fighting focused, unlike Ichigo.

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u/Electrical_Noise_690 Oct 26 '24

He still wasn't going all out

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u/GabrielM96 Oct 26 '24

Again... Where did i say he was going ALL out? Man... A Lot of sensitive Plp here downvoting over nothing.

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u/Electrical_Noise_690 Oct 26 '24

I didn't downvote so it's all cool

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u/lceSpiceBambiOnlce Oct 26 '24

How do you know he can tank Getsuga just like that?

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u/Business-Action4440 Oct 26 '24

Ah yes Uryu could have killed someone whom even SK absorbed Yhwach feared. What an intelligent redditor we got here guys.

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u/Square_Pride1877 Oct 26 '24

Uryu could have killed someone

You watched the episode till the end right?

even SK absorbed Yhwach feared

He deactivated Almighty to see how strong Ichigo has become xd yeah he feared him big time lmao

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u/davejr555 Oct 26 '24

He deactivated Almighty for the reason you gave. So why did he then activate it if he didn’t fear ichigo?

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u/Square_Pride1877 Oct 26 '24

To end the battle?

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u/Business-Action4440 Oct 26 '24

Yhwach is literally afraid of his bankai in the manga thats why he broke it

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u/Square_Pride1877 Oct 26 '24

That's the future tho so your comment is entirely pointless for episode 30.

Or I could go even further and say Yhwach is already dead so why are we even discussing this?

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u/IamGriffon Oct 27 '24

Yeah, this pretty much. Tho if Ichigo decides to go "fuck this" and dish out Bankai, Ishida probly wouldn't even see what oneshot him. Tensa Zangetsu was able to oneshot a full power SK Yhwach, imagine what he could do to poor Uryuu

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u/GabrielM96 Oct 27 '24

Honestly, o think HoS would be more than enough. Not only It gives an insane stats buff over TS, but also has insane regenerative Powers wich could be use against antithesis, and his hollow Powers would be deadly to Uryu.

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u/IamGriffon Oct 27 '24

I honestly think that the only reason Ichigo hasn't used his Hollow powers yet is because he knows it kills Quincies, and the quincies aren't his enemy, just Yhwach is.

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u/Illustrious-Life37 Oct 27 '24

good point. it was able to one shot SK yhwach but people on here were still crying for 10 years about what it does.

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u/Ordinary_Medicine286 Oct 27 '24

Wasn't that a GT mixed with Cero to SK Yhwach?

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u/Guitar3544 Oct 26 '24

Clear something up for me. Isn't this just base form Ichigo? I was under the assumption that Horn of salvation was shikai then Bankai was the combined blade.

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u/GabrielM96 Oct 26 '24

Base true shikai form, since he can also use a transformation (HoS) in his shikai as well.

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u/Guitar3544 Oct 26 '24

Gotcha, thank you!

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u/zatroz Oct 27 '24

Does Antithesis work if you just go from 100-0 HP in ome hit?

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u/GabrielM96 Oct 27 '24

Thats a good question, but i feel like blut would make resist a hit kill with 1 Hp or something like that lol

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u/Leadtorrent Oct 26 '24

SPOILERS:

You just made me realize that it wasn't Uryu that blew a hole in Ichigo, it was Ichigo that blew a hole in Uryu but then Uryu used antithesis. That's why it seemed like getsuga just passed right by him

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u/iV1rus0 Oct 26 '24

Ichigo was gonna go Bankai. Damm

Considering the story stakes are at an all-time high, it's incredibly confusing why Ichigo won't activate his bankai. At least I'm glad they decided to tease it here even though anime-only viewers probably wouldn't catch it lol.

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u/Temporary-Rice-8847 Oct 26 '24

>it's incredibly confusing why Ichigo won't activate his bankai

I mean, Uryuu is still a friend and Ichigo wouldnt use it untill he is damn sure uryuu is gone forever and in the other hand activate the bankai against Uryuu would give Yuha the advantage 100%

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u/iV1rus0 Oct 26 '24

Even against Yhwach, he didn't activate his bankai, which doesn't make much sense TBH. I just hope they give his bankai justice.

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u/Gobnobbla Oct 26 '24

Yeah, Ichigo the same guy that immediately went Bankai on random hollows in ep 1.

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u/eightNote Oct 28 '24

He's not quite the same guy - hes had off screen character development by learning what happened to his mom, and figuring out that the guy who's been tormenting him in his head is actually himself

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u/Temporary-Rice-8847 Oct 26 '24

Even against Yhwach, he didn't activate his bankai, which doesn't make much sense TBH

He was winning seemingless untill Allmighty and then he got wrecked in 4 moves.

And we know by how he fights later that the Bankai recquires way more time

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u/KarlozFloyd Komamura best captain Oct 26 '24

Makes complete sense

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u/eternalknight24 Oct 26 '24

Mmm but his new bankai only came after a very specific moment in the manga. How was it teased in the anime ? I want to repeat the battle scene and would love not to miss this

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u/iV1rus0 Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 26 '24

It's been so many years since I read the manga, so I don't remember what you mean by "a very specific moment" to be honest lol.

As for how was Ichigo's bankai teased. He held his dual baldes together, which is how he can activate his new bankai. You can see him combining both blades as he got shot by Uryu.

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u/eternalknight24 Oct 26 '24

Ahhhh now I see it, I just checked the manga chapter and the episode and you may be right. Thanks!

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u/Ordinary_Medicine286 Oct 27 '24

From what I've remembered, we only got to HoS form with Ichigo. Also, Kubo mentioned in a Q&A that Ichigo can either dual wield or single wield his zanpakuto according to his will even in base.

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u/BabyJWalk Oct 26 '24

He still hasn’t fully used his powers in shikai…

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u/KontonNoko Oct 26 '24

I'm not an anime only viewer and I missed where ichigo was going to activate bankai lol.

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u/eightNote Oct 28 '24

Part of having a real bankai is being very restrained about using it

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u/Arsys_ Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 26 '24

imagine we get vollstandig uryu vs bankai ichigo

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

One sided massacre. Ichigo was still able to keep up with Voldstandiig Uryu quite comfortably.

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u/Tschmelz Oct 26 '24

And that's while holding back.

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u/bondsmatthew Oct 26 '24

It really is Naruto vs Sasuke final battle which I love

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u/bitchesonmy Oct 26 '24

Uryu didn't use his shrift even once though

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u/RUS12389 Oct 26 '24

Uryu didn't use Sklaverei, so it's wasn't full power Vollstandig.

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

And Ichigo has like 2 more forms.

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u/RUS12389 Oct 26 '24

We don't know if Uryu's vollstandig won't have more then 1 upgrade either. For all we know he could have 2 more forms too.

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

>For all we know he could have 2 more forms too.

Not happening like at all. That's like saying "For all we know Ichigo could have 2 types of bankai too".

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u/YoruichiPinkBussy Oct 26 '24

Idk about that never once did uryu use the antithesis and that ability is a game changer, but of course ichigo didn't transform either, this why they gotta run it back at some point.

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u/Livio88 Oct 26 '24

I mean even a full powered Yhwach was afraid of Ichigo's Bankai. I'm not sure if Uryu would've had the opportunity to use Antuthesis against that.

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u/eightNote Oct 28 '24

We haven't seen ichigo use his innate quincy power, nor heard a name for it.

Given every fight ichigo has, it's probably going to be something that makes him immune to hax, or is similar to yhwach in choosing futures.

There's just something about ichigo that prevents anyone from using their special powers against. Everyone sees him and wants to brawl - no kyoka suigetsu, no Balance, no respira. Only swings of the swords and energy blasts.

Uryu similarly would just never use the antithesis against ichigo, and nobody would bat an eye

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

Do you think Uryu will even get the chance to use the antethesis?

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u/Arsys_ Oct 26 '24

I'd still watch that

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '24

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u/Cmog28 Oct 27 '24

Correct. You was surprised and that’s when Ichigo got him. Before then it was neck to neck.

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u/jonomarkono Oct 26 '24

Coughing baby vs tsar bomba

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u/Krolex Oct 26 '24

Or his hollow form he didn’t use

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u/Fuyukage Oct 26 '24

You think ichigo was gonna bankai?

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u/Lanky-Violinist7394 Oct 26 '24

check the comments for explanation

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u/SignificantAd5837 Oct 26 '24

I mean ichigo was bodying base yhwach two episodes ago, it was to be expected, but idgaf that fight was so good fam

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u/Kawaru_Natari Oct 26 '24

Implying uryu's blut couldn't block ichigos slash the same way ichigo's did

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

How was he gonna go bankai? He lifts his swords up goes Ahhh like he's about to attack and gets shot? The ahhh wasn't a Ban cut short.

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u/Square_Pride1877 Oct 26 '24

Also remember Uryu fans Ichigo could've killed Uryu two times before he just didn't

That's just wrong lol, he wasn't going for the kill.

This entire fight is Gin vs Ichigo remake.

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u/Business-Action4440 Oct 26 '24

except that version of ichigo was waaaay underpowered compared to gin. Here thats not the case

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u/Square_Pride1877 Oct 26 '24

Yeah power diff was closer but they both had to pretend to kill Ichigo because they were being watched by the enemy

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u/justanerd545 Oct 26 '24

That's how he enters Bankai....

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u/BahamutLithp ミスターポテトヘッド Oct 27 '24

Was he? That would explain the weird pause he did at the end of the fight.

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u/dolphincave Oct 27 '24

To be fair Uryu could have reversed it.

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 27 '24

To be fair Uryu ain't reversing jackshit after he dies.

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u/dolphincave Oct 27 '24

If the Jujisho was actually aimed at him he could have swapped himself and Ichigo.

If Ichigo stabbed him he'd just reverse that.

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u/Illustrious-Life37 Oct 26 '24

cope harder. antithesis>Shikai Weakigo

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u/Blackphinexx Oct 26 '24

Also remember that “killing Uryu” can be a really really bad idea

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

And why is that? Uryu can't use his scrift after he's dead.

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u/Blackphinexx Oct 26 '24

Says who? That was never explicitly stated, it was just assumed. The truth is many of the schrift persist and can be activated after death. Examples include the almighty, the balance, the miracle, the x axis( I don’t get how but it happened).

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

>the balance, the x axis

Nope.

The other two are related to the soul king so they are exception.

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u/Badass_Bunny Circus Sandwitch Oct 26 '24

Also remember Uryu fans Ichigo could've killed Uryu two times before he just didn't.

Antithesis had that covered.

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u/Odd-Display-7227 Oct 26 '24

Yeah Uryu ain't gonna survive a point blank range Jujishou to use antithesis.